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Topic: Milwaukee Model 3300 was +HG: air roast or drum roast? (10 msgs / 282 lines)
1) From: Brian Kamnetz
Justin,
Sounds very interesting. Do you know the main differences between your
Milwaukee and the one the Pecan Jim uses?
I look forward to your reports on the Milwaukee Model 3300.
Brian
On Nov 8, 2007 12:07 PM, Justin Marquez  wrote:
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2) From: Justin Marquez
Not sure which model Jim has.  Here is a link to info about the 3300 model.
(Hey - it turns out that Milwaukee is made by Wagner. I did not know that.)http://www.wagnerspraytech.com/portal/milwaukee3300_spray,43302,747.htmlAccording to the info at the Wagner site, the 3300 weighs in at 1.5 lbs and
the 1000 weighs 1.6 lbs, so maybe the new one won't hurt my grumpy shoulder
any more so than the older model.
Safe Journeys and Sweet Music
Justin Marquez (CYPRESS, TX)
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3) From: Justin Marquez
First Temp tests:
    LOW FAN "Power Setting"  Deg C Deg F Deg F Diff 155 311 250 61 182 360
450 -90 220 428 650 -222 282 540 850 -310 320 608 1050 -442 375 707 1250
-543    HIGH FAN   Deg C Deg F Deg F Diff 130 266 350 -84 220 428 550 -122
304 579 750 -171 380 716 950 -234 450 842 1150 -308 515 959 1350 -391    WAGNER
1000  Deg C Deg F Power  485 905 LOW  550 1022 HIGH
So, the Wagner has a higher maximum temp AND the Milwaukee 3300 seems not to
deliver advertised high temps.
Having said that, it is a better roasting tool that the Wagner.  Airflow is
evident to be greater - the green bean mass easily blows around with the
Milwaukee but hardly at all with the Wagner. Also, the Milwaukee is 1500 W
and the Wagner is 1200 W and the lower measured temp of the Milwaukee
indicates a significantly greater airflow - about 33% more by calcs if the
wattage and meas temps are true.
I roasted back-to back-batches with 1.5 Cups greens (Guat. Antigua
Filiadelfia, grown at 6000 ft) using both HG's:
HG  Used   Start C1      FC (first C2)
Wagner        7:58           10:30
Milwaukee    7:05             9:10
Visual inspection of the roast results show nearly identical looking roasted
beans, with the Wagner run maybe showing a few darker looking beans.
The weights of the two guns are nearly identical.  They were so close that I
didn't see the need to try to weigh them.  The milwaukee is slightly bulkier
looking, but not heavier. I like the handgrip on the Milwaukee a bit more
also. I felt that the roast had more control since the temps were a little
lower but with more heat input to the beans.  The Wagner is always on the
ragged edge of burning the beans, but the new HG seems s little easier to
control in that respect.
I have yet to attempt any profiling with the variable HG, but may do so
soon.
I believe that it is worth $10 more than the Wagner 1000.  It comes with a
2-year warranty (same as did the Wagner). Time will tell if it is more
reliable or not.  I plan to use the new one at home and delegate the old one
to the RV.
Safe Journeys and Sweet Music
Justin Marquez (CYPRESS, TX)

4) From: Brian Kamnetz
Very interesting. Thank you, Justin.
Brian
On Nov 10, 2007 11:39 AM, Justin Marquez  wrote:
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5) From: David Morgenlender
Justin,
Thanks for the great review!
I want to buy one, but Milwaukee's website says their products are =
exclusive to
Home Depot.  The Home Depot website says it is not available online, and =
the few
local Home Depot's don't carry it according to the website.  I'm going to=
 keep
looking!  
BTW, where did you buy it?  If it's not listed on the website, then I'll =
just go
to one of the local stores & see if they have it.
Dave
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6) From: Robert Gulley
Dave
While I am not Justin ;-) I would recommend going to the store and 
checking because I have found the web site very inaccurate/misleading 
at times - I imagine it is almost impossible to keep something like 
that current.  Even calling over to the store is often inaccurate, at 
least to the stores around here. Good luck!
Robert RG
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"I have measured out my life with coffee spoons."  ~T.S. Eliot  

7) From: Dennis Ryan
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I dont know what the deal with Milwaukee is. I recently bought a  
Milwaukee 775 to replace Wagner branded, but otherwise identical  
looking heat gun --the model numbers are even the same, and it is  
nowhere near as hot.
After reading your post, I put a thermocouple at the end of the  
Milwaukee, and could barely get it to hit 400, which confirmed what I  
already knew after several failed roasts with it. For what it's  
worth, I used to be able to roast to full city with a 16oz with the  
Wagner in <20 minutes. Now I need to put 5-6 charcoal briquettes  
under my bowl (large ikea stainless mixing bowl) to do the same.  
Maybe Ill try sealing up a few more air vents in the Milwaukee...
The good news is that it's renewed my interest in building a drum  
roaster :-)
On Nov 10, 2007, at 11:39 AM, Justin Marquez wrote:
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I dont know what the deal with =
Milwaukee is. I recently bought a Milwaukee 775 to replace Wagner =
branded, but otherwise identical looking heat gun --the model numbers =
are even the same, and it is nowhere near as hot. 
After reading your post, I = put a thermocouple at the end of the Milwaukee, and could barely get it = to hit 400, which confirmed what I already knew after several failed = roasts with it. For what it's worth, I used to be able to roast to full = city with a 16oz with the Wagner in <20 minutes. Now I need to put = 5-6 charcoal briquettes under my bowl (large ikea stainless mixing bowl) = to do the same. Maybe Ill try sealing up a few more air vents in the = Milwaukee...
The = good news is that it's renewed my interest in building a drum roaster = :-)
On = Nov 10, 2007, at 11:39 AM, Justin Marquez wrote:
So, the Wagner = has a higher maximum temp AND the Milwaukee 3300 seems not to deliver = advertised high temps.
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8) From: Rich
I just measured the outlet temp of the HG-751.
High Air Flow 745 - 755 degree F at 1.5" in front of nozzle
Low Air Flow 1010 - 1050 degree F at 1/5" in front of nozzle
High air flow is rated at 23 scfm by the manufacturer.  I have never 
seen a scfm rating for low.
Rich
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9) From: Justin Marquez
While the advertised highest temps did not seem to happen (I will re-test it
again in a couple of weeks when I have more time to mess with it), it was
definitely hot enough to roast coffee and the roast went a little quicker
than with the Wagner 1000.  I measured the temps of both HG's by pointing
the center area of the nozzle at a thermocouple connected to a DVM with a
T/C range on it. It reads out in Deg C, so the numbers I posted are
converted to Deg F.
I placed the T/C at the centerline of the outlet in the plane of the front
of the nozzle (well, as best i could just holding the HG and letting the T/C
stick out past the table edge.  I let the T/C stay in place until the
readings stabilized for each setting.  On the highest "power" setting, the
temperature would never stabilize - it looked like the element may have been
cycling on and off with some internal device, perhaps to avoid overheating.
The ambient temp was 77-78 Deg F during the time I was reading the temps.
There was an overhead fan running on the porch, which maybe could have blown
some air back into the area where the T/C was located, which is why I plan
to re-test it at a later date without the porch fan running.  (It was
already dark when I wa running the tests and the fan comes on when the ligt
is switched on. There is a separate pull-chain on the fan, but I was too
lazy to stop what I was doing to switch it off. Actually, I don't expect
that it influenced the T/C readings.)
I bought it at the Home Depot on TX Hwy 6 near FM 529 on the west side of
Houston, TX.  They had the HG display located on the back side of their
paint counter area.
Safe Journeys and Sweet Music
Justin Marquez (CYPRESS, TX)
On Nov 12, 2007 11:24 AM, David Morgenlender  wrote:
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10) From: Rich
I neglected to mention that the inlet air temperature was 60 degrees 
when I measured the outlet temp of the HG-751.
Justin Marquez wrote:
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