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Topic: Behmor roasting (26 msgs / 555 lines)
1) From: Dave Ehrenkranz
Just did my first roast in the Behmor. It is sure quiet and I really  
enjoy clearly hearing the cracks. My previous roasters were a Z&D and  
an iRoast2.  I believe I did NOT go into  2nd crack but not  
completely sure as this is the first time I would have ever clearly  
heard the 2nd crack. I certainly meant/tried to start cooling process  
before entering 2nd crack.
I roasted a mixture of Ethiopa Organic Sidamo (~78 g) and Brazil  
Organic Cachoeira Yellow Bourban (~50 g). Both of these beans were  
the last I had of each.
I used program 1 for a 1/4 LB and added an xtra 45 seconds (as I had  
a little more the 1/4 LB of beans) giving a total program time of  
9:15 min. 1st crack started after 7:05 min and I believe lasted 1:09  
min. I ended the roast with 23 sec on timer for a total roast time of  
8:52. My beans lost 17.42% of their weight. I was aiming for  
somewhere between FC/FC+
Based on the weight loss I was wondering if others agree with me  
hitting FC/FC+
I will be roasting 1/2 LB of Misty Valley (from last years crop)  
later today.
Now that I can clearly hear the cracks I will be keeping a much  
better log. I use a MAC and thus DJ Garcia's Access program won't  
work for me. Are their other roasters who use a mac and would be  
willing to share what they use. I have started an excel spreadsheet  
but would also like to see what others use and keep track of.
dave

2) From: Barry Luterman
Did you roast indoors or out. Still would like input on the effect of 
ambient temperature on roast ability.

3) From: gin
Dave:
Great post. I am laughing because being so used to the HT and/or Gene Cafe it took me several roast to hear the cracks.
I have a habit of wondering away from the HT and Gene Cafe since I can hear their cracks 
from the "other side"of the wall...
not so my new Behmeer. I will need to listen up better for the cracks. My first roast was a real surprise, it was over and I wondered where the 1st crack was?
ginny
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4) From: Dave Ehrenkranz
I roasted indoors.
dave
On Nov 17, 2007, at 12:48 PM, Barry Luterman wrote:
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5) From: Dave Ehrenkranz
Wow - I can't imagine something even quieter than the Behmor. Guess I  
will have to observe someone use a HT and a Gene Cafe sometime.
I will have to purposely roast some beans into 2nd crack to be sure I  
recognize it in the future. I know it is supposed to be like rice  
crispies but until I hear it myself it is all theory.
dave
On Nov 17, 2007, at 12:54 PM, gin wrote:
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6) From: Jeff Anderson
How does the Behmor compare to the HT and Gene Cafe so far?
gin wrote:
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7) From: Dave Ehrenkranz
Just finished roasting 1/2# (227g) of Misty Valley (Jan 07 crop). A  
few beans (~0.40g) fell thru the screen and did not roast completely.  
Weight loss was 16.3%. I believe I hit City plus. Used program 1 (P1)  
again.
I notice that some beans  get stuck in the roasting cage as they get  
trapped between the screen and the little flat pieces of metal that  
help agitate the beans as the cage turns. I also notice the heat  
lamps do NOT stay on all the time. I assume that it senses it is  
getting too hot inside and thus turns off for awhile. On P1 after  
~20% of roast time the power is suppose to be on 100% until it is  
time to cool. Have others also noticed this.
dave
On Nov 17, 2007, at 12:37 PM, Dave Ehrenkranz wrote:
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8) From: eric estes
Hi
 
Did my first roast today and did notice the cycling of the heating elements=
.  Did 1/2 pound Columbian, used the default P1 program and visually looks =
like i got the city+ I was looking for.  1st crack came through loud and cl=
ear, had to add about 30 seconds to get through first crack.  Will see how =
it tastes in the morning, very even roast.  I also had a few beans fall thr=
ough the drum and land down on the chaff catcher.  
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.sweetmarias.com> Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 14:47:28 -0800> > Just finished ro=
asting 1/2# (227g) of Misty Valley (Jan 07 crop). A > few beans (~0.40g) fe=
ll thru the screen and did not roast completely. > Weight loss was 16.3%. I=
 believe I hit City plus. Used program 1 (P1) > again.> > I notice that som=
e beans get stuck in the roasting cage as they get > trapped between the sc=
reen and the little flat pieces of metal that > help agitate the beans as t=
he cage turns. I also notice the heat > lamps do NOT stay on all the time. =
I assume that it senses it is > getting too hot inside and thus turns off f=
or awhile. On P1 after > ~20% of roast time the power is suppose to be on 1=
00% until it is > time to cool. Have others also noticed this.> > dave> > O=
n Nov 17, 2007, at 12:37 PM, Dave Ehrenkranz wrote:> > > Just did my first =
roast in the Behmor. It is sure quiet and I > > really enjoy clearly hearin=
g the cracks. My previous roasters were > > a Z&D and an iRoast2. I believe=
 I did NOT go into 2nd crack but > > not completely sure as this is the fir=
st time I would have ever > > clearly heard the 2nd crack. I certainly mean=
t/tried to start > > cooling process before entering 2nd crack.> >> > I roa=
sted a mixture of Ethiopa Organic Sidamo (~78 g) and Brazil > > Organic Cac=
hoeira Yellow Bourban (~50 g). Both of these beans were > > the last I had =
of each.> >> > I used program 1 for a 1/4 LB and added an xtra 45 seconds (=
as I > > had a little more the 1/4 LB of beans) giving a total program time=
 > > of 9:15 min. 1st crack started after 7:05 min and I believe lasted > >=
 1:09 min. I ended the roast with 23 sec on timer for a total roast > > tim=
e of 8:52. My beans lost 17.42% of their weight. I was aiming > > for somew=
here between FC/FC+> >> > Based on the weight loss I was wondering if other=
s agree with me > > hitting FC/FC+> >> > I will be roasting 1/2 LB of Misty=
 Valley (from last years crop) > > later today.> >> > Now that I can clearl=
y hear the cracks I will be keeping a much > > better log. I use a MAC and =
thus DJ Garcia's Access program won't > > work for me. Are their other roas=
ters who use a mac and would be > > willing to share what they use. I have =
started an excel spreadsheet > > but would also like to see what others use=
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9) From: James Raven
So you're all saying that it works it's best as a 1/2 lb roaster then? I ju=
st want to be sure before I order mine.
From: ericestes
To: homeroast
Subject: RE: +Behmor roasting
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 20:57:43 -0800
Hi
Did my first roast today and did notice the cycling of the heating elements=
.  Did 1/2 pound Columbian, used the default P1 program and visually looks =
like i got the city+ I was looking for.  1st crack came through loud and cl=
ear, had to add about 30 seconds to get through first crack.  Will see how =
it tastes in the morning, very even roast.  I also had a few beans fall thr=
ough the drum and land down on the chaff catcher.
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10) From: Michael Rasmussen
James Raven wrote:
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I think what you're seeing is people experimenting on 1/2 lb batches.  The
Behmor can handle full pounds. 
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11) From: gin
James:
I do not think all havce said that unless I missed most of the posts on the Behmor.
I have roasted 1/4, 1/2 and several pound batches and all have been excellent.
Funny thing is I end up walking away from my roasterss for thgis or that reason, except for the RK Drum.
I think of all the roasters I havce ever used I can set this go do something else and return to a PERFECT roasts. Profiles were tricky for me at first because I rarely read manuals.
I have found some cool profiles that I will post on homeroastes.org.
ginny
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12) From: Leo Zick
it would be helpful if you could share roasting experiences here, on this
roasting list, rather than constantly promoting another site.
if it makes the life of others easier, it may help promote sales for SM
On Nov 18, 2007 11:21 AM, gin  wrote:
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13) From: gin
Leo:
Not an issue, I was simply making a comment about posting, they will be posted here as well.
we do not sell anything, simply offer a place to get information.
ginny
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14) From: Joseph Robertson
ginny,
I'm not sure how or what Tom and Maria think of you linking
homeroasters dot org to this list but I for one have no problem with
it. I find your site very inspiring, infact I have made purchases from
SM's site because of it. I think most of us are working here for the
same cause and passion.
Cheers,
JoeR
On Nov 18, 2007 11:21 AM, gin  wrote:
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15) From: Brett Mason
I am also an admin on homeroasters.org and I will say that Tom and Maria are
held in very high esteem at there.  Most everyone on the site has
considerable experience buying from Sweet Marias, and find the array of
availabole goods, plus information, to be extremely helpful.  Thanks Tom and
Maria for all you do!  (How do I say that in Yemeni?)
Homeroasters.org provides a somewhat different look, separate from all
supplers, yet with appreciation toward many.  Swet Marias is certainly at
the high end of the list!
Regards,
Brett Mason
On Nov 18, 2007 1:41 PM, Joseph Robertson  wrote:
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Cheers,
Bretthttp://homeroast.freeservers.com

16) From: gin
Joe:
Thanks for the kinds words. 
ginny
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17) From: Floyd Lozano
Often times, subjects raised here have been discussed at length on
other informational sites that have good search and archive
capability.  Homeroasters.org, the various blogs of individual
posters, home-barista, and others are examples of this.  I don't think
Gin was seeking to divert traffic from the list, simply to provide a
place to find more discussion on relevant topics with further input
from people that may not be subscribers to this list.
On Nov 19, 2007 9:55 AM, gin  wrote:
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18) From: Homeroaster
Homeroasters.org is not a commercial site.  It's the home of the 
Homeroasters Association, and it's members.  It is just another place to 
find resources and network with other homeroasters.  The added ability to 
post pictures is a real plus.  As far as I am concerned, the two forums 
(fora?) are almost interchangeable.
*********************
Ed Needham
"to absurdity and beyond!"http://www.homeroaster.com*********************

19) From: Kevin
How is the cooling ability of the roaster?  Is an external bean cooler still
recommended?
Darn I miss my homeroast.  I've been AWOL since grad school started in Aug.
Can't wait to fire up the GC over T-day break!
-- 
My home coffee roasting blog:http://homecoffeeroastblog.blogspot.com/Kevin

20) From: Rick Copple
Kevin wrote:
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There's no official recommendation to use an external bean cooler. Some 
think the cooling cycle takes too long, and one trick mentioned is to 
open the door in the cooling cycle which speeds that up from about 8 
minutes to 4, though you'll get some chaff blown out in the process.
However, some have withdrawn the beans and used another cooling system, 
though the manufacture warns against that as not letting the cooling 
cycle finish can damage the roaster. Just be aware if you do that, 
you're probably voiding any warranty on it.
So some do it, but at least the manufacture and Tom say it isn't 
recommended at all. But, it's your $300. I'm sure Joe won't mind selling 
anyone another one once they fry theirs. ;)
-- 
Rick Copple

21) From: Justin Marquez
An 8-minute cool-down flies in the face of what many of us here hold sacred.
Many of us have built cooling contraptions to get the hot beans down to
ambient as quickly as possible.  30 seconds to near-ambient cool is
considered a target by many. Have we all been wasting our time fiddling with
fast cool? OR, is 8-minutes way too long?
It does not seem that the right answer can be "both are optimal". I guess
the answer could be "it doesn't matter"
Frequently I will use the turbocooler for a 1/2# HG/BD roast, but also many
times I will just toss the beans until cool enough to touch without burning
my hand (probably 140 deg F or so). Both produce acceptable roasts.
Safe Journeys and Sweet Music
Justin Marquez (CYPRESS, TX)
On Nov 20, 2007 1:43 PM, Rick Copple  wrote:
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22) From: Larry Johnson
How fast do the big boys cool their beans? And I do mean the big boys
who know what they're doing. Fer instance; these big roasters like the
one MiKe McKoffee is installing ; how fast do the beans get cooled
from those guys?
Just askin'.....
On Nov 20, 2007 6:41 PM, Justin Marquez  wrote:
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Larry J

23) From: Rick Copple
Justin Marquez wrote:
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Personally, to clarify, my cooling method after a wok roast, which isn't 
super speedy, but does get it within the four minutes (if I recall 
correctly) that Tom list on his site as the maximum time. What I don't 
know, is if you pulled the Behmor's beans at four minutes, what temp 
they would be. I think, but don't recall exactly, that there was a temp 
to target to be under by four minutes, so warm to the hand may not 
matter, and the other four minutes may be to get it from warm to totally 
cool to the touch, and the machine along with it.
According to those who've used them, leaving the door open during the 
cooling cycle speeds it up to the four minute spot.
And, I think the main reason for the quick cooling period time is to 
control the roast better. The slower it cools, the longer the roast goes 
and so the harder it is to hit the roast level. A 30 second cooling time 
means you can slam the brakes on a roast right where you want it. Plus, 
the slower it cools, I would guess the bigger risk of "baked" bean flavors.
In that sense, I think getting it under four minutes is all that is 
required, and it may be that the 8 minute cooling cycle does get it 
under the needed temp within four minutes. I'm sure some of you with 
fancy temp gauges could probably figure that one out. Most likely Joe 
whose tested this extensively already knows.
But whether a bean taste better that has been cooled down within 30 
seconds or 4 minutes, that would be something to test among several 
people and several beans. Maybe something to try at the next big get 
together when you have a lot of people to judge and beans to test on.
I don't know, since I don't have one and haven't heard, if you can pull 
the beans and then let the roaster keep cooling down. All I do know is 
that the roaster itself requires that cool down phase for its own 
health. If it can't be restarted or you don't start it after pulling, 
but leave it hot, you are going against the manufacturer's instructions 
and I would say probably violate the warranty. Thus, I don't think they 
recommend pulling the beans. If you can pull the beans and then put the 
drum back in and continue the cooling cycle, that might work if you 
really wanted to cool them in a third method. But, not having one, I 
don't know if that is possible. There's enough of you with one now 
though that someone should be able to answer that one.
-- 
Rick Copple

24) From: raymanowen
Shakkran!
On Nov 18, 2007 3:23 PM, Brett Mason  wrote:
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25) From: Ira Emus
At 01:02 PM 5/12/2009, you wrote:
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If you've not heard, you might want to look at BehmorThing, a program 
for keeping track of green and roasted coffee with some special 
features to make learning to use a Behmor a bit easier. I've just 
released Version 2 which has lots more features and for everyone 
without a Behmor the ability to turn off the Behmor features and just 
use it as a tool to track green coffee and roasts. Windows only.
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26) From: Yakster
When I was roasting with a popcorn popper, I wrote an Excel spreadsheet and
modified a visual basic script to graph the roast profiles, but when I
picked up a Behmor earlier this year I switched to BehmorThing.  I'm glad I
switched, it's nice being able to look at my coffee inventory of greens and
past roasts to plan for future roasts.
After roasting a bean on P1 at a certain weight, it's easy to use
BehmorThing to plan a P2 roast where the second leg of the roast profile
kicks in near first crack to stretch the time between first and second.  It
even reminds you to do a cleaning cycle.  I feel that it helped reduce the
learning curve with the Behmor to getting great roasts.
Thanks, Ira.
-Chris
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Ira Emus  wrote:
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