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Topic: Behmor Fever (34 msgs / 889 lines)
1) From: Bob Hazen
Behmor Fever...  It's highly contagious.  After just a single exposure, er.. 
roast, I'm afraid I have it big time.
I've been using an I-Roast for a little over three years.  While I've gotten 
used to its quirks and annoyances, it has done the job fairly well. 
However, I got tired of listening to its vacuum cleaner voice, rotten user 
interface and small batch size.  Time to move forward.  I think it will be 
going to the Home for Retired Roasters.  My Behmor arrived last Thursday, 
but today was my first chance to use it.  I am delighted.  The user 
interface on this roaster is very well done and much, much better than the 
I-Roast.  I think the Behmor would be a good choice for a newbie as it is so 
simple to use sucessfully.
Following Tom's recommendation, I roasted half a pound of Celebes on P1. 
The cracks were easy to detect and very little smoke appeared.  The first 
cycle with an empty drum did produce a fair amount of smoke, though.  I'm 
glad I put it under the range hood.  I roasted until I heard the first snap 
of second and hit cool.  I was surprised that second crack didn't die off in 
10 or 20 seconds.  It went nearly a minute during the cooling cycle.  I knew 
I'd have to learn "anticipation" with this roaster but I wasn't ready for 
this much.  The roast came out nicely, but a little uneven.  It wasn't as 
dark as I expected when I saw second was going so long.  I'm thinking I'll 
try a "slower" profile to see if I can stretch things out a bit.
Here's to Tom and Joe for putting this in our hands!
Bob (former lurker, now Behmor'ed)

2) From: Phil Bergman Jungle Music
Bob,
Good post.  It sounds like this roaster is far superior to the IR2 in your
opinion.  I only have an IR2 now (and know it's quirks and short comings)and
am awaiting more discussions and comparisons, especially with the Hot Top.
Also, as I don't have a range hood, I'd really like to hear about the amount
of smoke production (into the room) on various roasts with the Behmor
(compared to other roasters).  I do like how the IR2 hooks up for an outside
vent.  Can other roasters do this?
Phil

3) From: James Raven
Hey Bob,
I have a question for you and please don't take it personally. Do you sell =
Behmors or work for an outlet that does? Just curious as you seem to have b=
een the only person yet that hasn't experienced some kind of minor abnormal=
ity with your machine. I'm just a leary purchaser and lurker, reader of sev=
eral posts about minor problems or adjustment misunderstandings etc . . . .=
 
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4) From: Brett Mason
I can't speak for the hundreds of readers on the list, but if I am not a
reseller, then NOT EVERYONE is a reseller.  Therefore, when you ask the
whole list if they are a reseller, I can categorically say NO - cause it's
not ALL of us...
But a pretty good question for an unsubscriber!  Most unsubscribers don't
ask questions - but it IS good to see you back....
Brett
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5) From: Barry Luterman
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
Please don't feed The Trolls

6) From: Vicki Smith
This seems to be your bug-a-boo, James. I am seeing folks testing and 
finding the strengths and weaknesses of a new roaster--nothing more.
Vicki
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7) From: Rich
I will second the motion.
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8) From: Michael Rasmussen
James Raven wrote:
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I don't work for Behmor either, but there have been no abnormalities with my
machine.  All issues were completely self generated.
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9) From: Treshell
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  In looking at the 'price point' it looks like what you will be seeing is
* '2 pounds' coffee roasted in 2 nice new Behmor
compared with 
* '12 oz' roasted in 1 nice new Hot Top.
-Yes for me the answer is the Behmor, although I spent a lot of time reading
about the Hot Top.  A very nice machine that allows a lot of nice toys to be
attached and makes great coffee.  The Behmor just fits my world better.
 Treshell

10) From: James Raven
don't sweat it Vicki, I'm a "Lurking Troll" considered by some of the vendo=
r types so I'll just remain in the background. You Vicki, please have a nic=
e thanksgiving. I actually wanted a Behmor but am even more curious now. En=
joy Alberta, and don't ask questions. Hey Brett, I only asked Bob. Where is=
 his reply?
james
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11) From: James Raven
that's good to hear as i haven't heard that reply before? But it's good.
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12) From: James Raven
Thanks for the real reply Treshell, nice to hear one or two back.
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13) From: Aaron Scholten
Lurking troll??
Seems more an attention whore to me.   grow up little man.
If you are going to hang around the list then do so, if you are going to 
quit, like you promised you would, then do that.  but please, enough of 
the pity party.  But remember, just because you are paranoid, doesn't 
mean the world is NOT out to get you!!!!
If you don't like my reply then sue me, I know someone of your mindset 
who'd probably be happy to take your case.
Oh and trolls should be smelled from a distance, and preferrably not 
seen, or heard, since you insist on becoming one.
Now if you'll excuse me, I have to take one of my curmudgeon pills......
Aaron

14) From: Mejia, Carlos
Damn James, you're making me dislike myself for disliking someone I
don't even know!  Grow up will you?  If you want to be part of the
discussion, you'll find it a lot easier if you weren't so paranoid and
argumentative.  If you want a specific reply from someone I suggest that
you take it offlist since you're obviously unable to talk to more than
one person at a time without pissing the majority off!  ~carlos

15) From: Rich
It is tough to beat twice the batch weight at half the price.
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16) From: Bob Hazen
Phil,
Yes, it sure looks like I'm going to like the Behmor better than the 
I-Roast.  Mine is an IR1 and it became increasingly irritating to have to 
reprogram my preferred profile each time.  I understand the IR2 will 
remember settings which would be a big improvement.
As for smoke from the Behmor, I only got visible smoke from the first cycle 
with an empty drum as recommended in the manual.  Without a range hood I'm 
thinking it would be good to run the first cycle somewhere where a bit of 
smoke wouldn't be a problem.  I saw no smoke whatsoever from the next 
roasts.  I didn't get smoke from the IR1 either for that matter; at least 
after I learned that 2nd crack wasn't my friend!  When I first started 
homeroasting, I carried the "dark is better" brainwashing with me.  Reading 
the wisdom of this list lead me to lighter roasts.  I found my preference is 
to run right up to second crack, but no further.
Now that I'm thinking about it, when I ran my first roast in the Behmor, I 
went right up to the very beginning of second crack and hit cool.  In doing 
so, it carried well into second crack while cooling down.  Yeah, it tasted 
like it was a bit overdone too...  But more to the point, I didn't see any 
smoke at all.  I'll definitely see some smoke out of the IR1 if I let it go 
that far.  One more note, is that even though the Behmor suppresses the 
smoke, it doesn't suppress the roasting aromas.  I can still smell the 
various stages just as I did with the IR1.  With the hood, I have to lean 
over and fan the air toward my face (like they taught us in chemistry) to 
get a whiff, but it's there.
Bob

17) From: Brett Mason
Hey James, if you'd like to dialogue with someone, copy their email address=
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and go ahead and do so.  But don't engage the list, and then act like you
are only talking with one - frankly it's just rude.
You've shown an awful lot of disregard for people on this list, and frankly
it's about time you either treat people with respect, or go find another
place to conduct yourself in such manner.
I'm replying on list because you raised the issue, and reply to me, on list=
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I hope you find a way to roast beans without disparaging the work of so man=
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who work sincerely at it.
Maybe in Ketchikan?  I hear there are good roasts there...
Brett
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18) From: miKe mcKoffee
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I'll disagree with that having both a Behmor and CCR HotTop at my disposal.
(and 3 Caffe Rosto's, P1, IR1...:-) It simply depends on what your looking
to achieve. Simply turning beans browns OR controlled and consistently
repeatable profile roasts, and in the CCR HotTop case completely automated
roasts, though at 3/5 (not half) the batch size of the Behmor AND though at
roughly 8.5 times the price! 
Kona Kurmudgeon miKe mcKoffee
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URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://www.mckoffee.com/Ultimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must
first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment
found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before.
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19) From: James Raven
facts instead of name calling, thanks Mike, odd but thanks. But then you're=
 not just one of the regular name callers on the list.
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20) From: Treshell
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I do find this really interesting.  And once you get a real chance to breath
again I hope you will get back to us on that very topic.
I can and for now do, use a really nice Diedrich.http://www.diedrichroasters.com/cr30.htmlFriends are wonderful, Just need to I call a day early and roast a pound at
least.  I plan to continue doing that when I learn what coffee taste better
with it and which ones I can use the Behmor just as well.  Then there are
the other ones you folks use.  I have a GG ready to take apart and transform
into a roaster.  Just need to know why I might like it on which coffee.
Also a really old and seasoned cowboy type Dutch oven is there to try.  My
grandfather roasted his with it (his coffee was nasty however).
A friend tells me he would toss my Astra espresso ;machine for using his
mortar & pestle to grind and then brew using his South American sock type
method.  I have tasted some of his coffee and it wasn't all that bad.  One
of the things I hope to learn from all of you is when to use which tool.
treshell

21) From: Steve
Life is too short for all this bickering.
I personally can't wait to try the Behmor.  I think its exactly what a
lot of people building SC/TO and BM/TO roasters were looking for.
Decent control, increased capacity, at a reduced cost.  I wonder how
long it will take someone to PID this thing for full profiling and
data logging?
Let the warranty voiding begin! :)

22) From: Rich
Somebody with a black hat will buy one and dump the EPROM and figure it 
out, just wait.  there is not a high demand for a hacked coffee roaster. 
  Now if the Behmor did mountain Dew...
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23) From: Phil Bergman Jungle Music
Bob,
Thank you for your appraisal.  This is the kind of information I seek and
appreciate.  Happy roasting.
Phil

24) From: Les
I agree with Bob's assessment.  The Behmor will not replace the RK
drum.  That said, I am finding the Behmor to be predictable.  That is
good.  I worked with P1 yesterday, and found it to be a good profile
if you work with it.  I nailed my last roasts using the plus minus
button to my advantage.  I wanted a nice city to city plus roast.  I
found that allowing first crack to finish with 2 minutes to 1.5
minutes left and then letting the cooling cycle kick in for 2 minutes
produced excellent caramelization,  following the directions for a
faster cool, I opened the door.  This produced a very acceptable
roast.  Lest you think the smoke suppressor doesn't work, I made the
mistake on one roast to have my Behmor hooked to the same circuit as
my freezer.  When the freezer kicked on the breaker kicked everything
off!  Unreal how much smoke came out of the Behmor since I was at
almost the end of the cycle.  I scrambled to rescue the roast.  Which
I did.  An excellent roaster for the price.
Les
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25) From: gin
James:
I will state this again!!! I HAVE HAD NO PROBLEM with my Behmor 1600.
I went out the gate never looking at the manual. Not one problem. Yes I hav=
e reviewed the manual since but I like to experiment. 
I can clearly recommend this machine to a new roaster. As far as I am conce=
rned you can pick a profile and walk away!!
ginny
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26) From: gin
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27) From: gin
I have a Hot Top and the new Behmor. I am not sure just yet which I can control more but I did a side by side with some monkey blend and I do not believe anyone could possibly tell the difference.
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28) From: Michael Rasmussen
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I want to make sure I'm following you here.  The method you used was:
 Beans in with P1
 Listen for 1st crack to finish
 Adjust time so 1:30 to 2:00 remains
 When cooling cycle starts open the door
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With which bean?
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29) From: Michael Rasmussen
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Can you provide details on the Behmor settings and, if any, manipulation?
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30) From: gin
Michael:
yes I will post some of my trial and error profiles. I am actually lucky I am living in this complex right now since I am giving roasted coffee away like crazy with the caveat that I receive comments back about said coffee.
I am still playing with my Behmor so will not put up profiles just yet. After this Thanksgiving holiday I will post some tricks I find as well a solid by the book profiles!!
warmest regards,
ginny
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31) From: Les
I was using the Aqua Tibia and Yellow Bourbon with the same result.  The key
was to leave the door shut for the first two minutes of the cool down which
in my opinion it is still roasting until I open the door.  So I would add a
Step just before your last step, "Keep the door shut for the first two
minutes of the cool cycle."
I love the flexiblity of the plus and minus buttons on this machine!
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32) From: Jim Anderson
On Nov 19, 2007 11:45 AM, Les  wrote:
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Could you explain a bit what you are doing with the plus and minus buttons.
I realize that you can manipulate some of the multistage programs either
before starting the roast or during the different cycles, but as I
understand it the P1 program is basically  full bore until the cool cycle.
What is the result of hitting the minus button instead of just hitting the
cool button when you feel it is time?
Thanks,
Jim

33) From: Les
Jim,
Once you hit the cool button there is no going back.  However by using the
plus and minus buttons you can monitor the end stage of the roast.  For
example tonight, I thought I had reached the peak of 1st crack at 1:30,  I
deducted 30 seconds, but discovered I was off as the peak of 1st was going
at 45 seconds.  I ended up adding 45 seconds for a next gain of 15 seconds
to the whole roast.  I ended with a perfect roast of Idido Misty Valley.
Les
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34) From: Jim Anderson
That makes sense, thanks.
Jim
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