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Topic: (was +2 Bourbons) now Database/ MAC (38 msgs / 891 lines)
1) From: Treshell
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I took a quick walk and think what I saw were 'KEEP OUT' sign for us Mac
users?   Will this have a Map for those of us who are Mac depended?
treshell

2) From: Rich
The database requires a copy of Microsoft Access, version unknown, to 
function.  Does not play with Open Office.  Will a MAC run any version 
of MS Access?
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3) From: Treshell
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Not sure.  I have an email into my favorite program person to find out.  I
will let the list know.  Do I assume no one on this list uses the boot leg
sources?
treshell

4) From: Treshell
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I think I may have it as a needed part of a Duplicator I use.  I do of
course have Office and many of its toys.  Still working on this.  One of
these days I will have to break down and get one of those nasty PC things.
Lets see that's circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back--------
treshell

5) From: Rich
The next little hurdle is all of the VB dll files that you also need. 
If memory serves the version of Access that will run on the older MAC OS 
is not compatible with OS 10.X and Bill has not produced a MAC OS 10.X 
version as far as I know.
I have not tried to generate a OO database front end yet.  But it is 
probably not hard to do.
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6) From: Bill Morgan
AFAIK the only way to run Access on a Mac is with an Intel Mac running
Windows.  :-(
Regretfully,
Bill
On Nov 18, 2007 8:43 PM, Rich  wrote:
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7) From: Rich
You might be able to make it work with VMWare on a real MAC.
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8) From: Dave Ehrenkranz
I do not believe Access has ever run on a mac running a Mac OS. But  
of course on he newer Intel Macs one can install windows and run Access.
I have started to use excel for my roasting log. I would be  
interested in hearing others keep track of in their roasting logs.
Dave
On Nov 18, 2007, at 7:10 PM, Rich wrote:
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9) From: DJ Garcia
If you go to the DB home page you'll find all the relevant info, including
images of the forms.http://improbablystructuredlayers.net/CoffeeRoastingDB/CRDBHome.htm

10) From: Treshell
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This is so well thought out.  I can follow your thought pattern and see it
is a great tool.   I am learning just reading your roast information.
I do have FileMaker Pro and will be taking up the offer of the one for Mac.
I have so much to learn.
Thank You all for all the hard work you so willing are sharing.  In dog
programming there are merge functions in the data bases.  I can see where
that is also something to work on with these to see how others are doing it.
Sort of follow those who you admire and use to bend what you are trying.
Again Thank You all so much for your time and your friendship
treshell

11) From: raymanowen
"...I saw were 'KEEP OUT' sign for us Mac users"
I know nothing about computers, and that's only half of the story. I suspect
the non-Mac users have invested enough blood, sweat and profanity getting
their application installed and functioning between patches, work-arounds
and crashes, they're afraid their application might crash and take all data
with it to Orwell's Hole in the Wall if they talk about it.
They have to use profanity so they can *stop* using it when they need to
appease the God of 1's and 0's.
Cheers, Mabuhay -RayO, aka Opa!
On Nov 18, 2007 5:58 PM, Treshell  wrote:
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"When the theme hits the bass, I dance the Jig!" - -Virgil Fox at the Mighty
Wichita (ex- NYC Paramount) WurliTzer- 1976

12) From: Treshell
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I only meant the above to be slightly amusing.  We Mac users love our Mac
and take what we can get.  We like that so far most of the hazer go after
windows.  Someone usually comes up with a work around or does something jus=
t
for the Mac.  We are usually pretty happy with our choice.
Sorry if anyone thought I was whining.  I am still learning about the toes
on here that get stepped on when I donšt mean it that way at all.
Treshell

13) From: DJ Garcia
I'll never figure out this Mac vs. Win, Canon vs. Nikon, Chevy vs. Ford,
whatever. I'm guessing some people are insecure about themselves and so look
to others being inferior to somehow make themselves superior (that goes for
any side of those equations :-). Use what works for you and brings you joy
(or the least amount of pain if you're on that side of the fence).
I have an extremely stable XP x64 environment with a couple of terabytes of
RAID storage, dual monitors, two dual core CPUs and 8GB of memory all
usable, and it's an integral part of my heating system. My applications
don't constantly crash, not even weekly or monthly - if they did I'd be
using a Mac or Unix :-). You can see it here (as it was a year ago):http://forums.2cpu.com/showthread.php?ty838Believe me I do not pine for a Mac, nor do I deride or belittle them. Some
of my closest friends use Macs, and we spend zero time discussing Mac vs.
Win though we do share our adventures in Computingland.
I didn't exclude Macs, I simply developed an application for myself in an
environment expedient and enjoyable to me, and decided to share it for free
with those in the list. I apologize for not having a Mac-compatible
environment, although you could run it if you have Access for Macs, as far
as I can tell. So if you want to B&M, do it because you don't have Access,
not because you have a Mac :-).
I didn't do this on purpose. Stuff happened in my life and I ended up with
XP. If I really had the last word on this and could change History and the
Universe, I'd be using an Amiga. Believe me I've thought about asking God
for this, but I figure He's got enough work already trying to keep us all
alive in spite of ourselves :-).
Now back to coffee ...
From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of
raymanowen
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 3:38 PM
To: homeroast
Subject: Re: (was +2 Bourbons) now Database/ MAC
"...I saw were 'KEEP OUT' sign for us Mac users"
I know nothing about computers, and that's only half of the story. I suspect
the non-Mac users have invested enough blood, sweat and profanity getting
their application installed and functioning between patches, work-arounds
and crashes, they're afraid their application might crash and take all data
with it to Orwell's Hole in the Wall if they talk about it. 
They have to use profanity so they can stop using it when they need to
appease the God of 1's and 0's.
Cheers, Mabuhay -RayO, aka Opa!
On Nov 18, 2007 5:58 PM, Treshell < treshell> wrote:
	> I also realize there's really not enough documentation on all the
features, 
	> so again the struggle with time takes its toll. If you have
specific
	> "how-to" questions e-mail me and I will respond. I'll also
incorporate it
	> into the documentation as I answer. I've been thinking about a
tips page, 
	> and your questions would feed that.
	> DJ
	
	I took a quick walk and think what I saw were 'KEEP OUT' sign for us
Mac
	users?   Will this have a Map for those of us who are Mac depended?
	treshell

14) From: DJ Garcia
Your sins are forgiven :-)
From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Treshell
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 5:06 PM
To: homeroast
Subject: Re: (was +2 Bourbons) now Database/ MAC
	"...I saw were 'KEEP OUT' sign for us Mac users"
	
I only meant the above to be slightly amusing.  We Mac users love our Mac
and take what we can get.  We like that so far most of the hazer go after
windows.  Someone usually comes up with a work around or does something just
for the Mac.  We are usually pretty happy with our choice.
Sorry if anyone thought I was whining.  I am still learning about the toes
on here that get stepped on when I don't mean it that way at all.
Treshell

15) From: Robert Gulley
Amigas - Now those were the days! Had an Amiga 1200 that could do 
full screen animations without flicker! Still can't quite guarantee 
that on my xp . . . everything had a co-processor, and Caligari - wow!
Thanks for the memory stroll . . .
Robert RG
At 07:09 PM 11/19/2007, you wrote:
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"I have measured out my life with coffee spoons."  ~T.S. Eliot  

16) From: Treshell
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Actually as I stared into some of your landscapes on your www I forgot my
sins.  So peaceful............
treshell

17) From: Michael I
DJ,
I guess it was my post that started this, though it had nothing to do with
the Mac.  I personally like the Mac, and use one, as well as a couple of
Linux boxes, along with my XP machines.  And I loved all of my Commodore
products, from the PET to the VIC-20 to the C-64 to the Amiga.  To each
their own.
However, you'd better be on the right side of the Canon-Nikon
debate/religion.  I'd have to take back those nice things I said about your
database app if you were a Nikon guy (though I'll still use it).
-AdkMike

18) From: Dave Ehrenkranz
Nikon/Canon ..... hhmmph
Mine was a Pentax!
dave
On Nov 19, 2007, at 7:05 PM, Michael I wrote:
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19) From: Michael Mccandless
Olympus, Windoz, Hottop-sonofresco (new).
McSparky
On Nov 19, 2007 10:02 PM, Dave Ehrenkranz  wrote:
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20) From: gin
MACS RULE, period!!
ginny
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21) From: Dave Huddle
Those are only  "half  cameras"!    I use a Revere 33, or Realist,
Sputnik, Haneel tri-visoin, Wirgin, etc.
You have two eyes, so use a two-eyed camera!
Dave
Weaterville, OH
On 11/20/07, Dave Ehrenkranz  wrote:
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22) From: Lynne
I agree with Gin - Mac's rule!
Had a wonderful Olympus with a terrific zoom lens. When I first got it years
ago, I was so
afraid I'd break it (me & machines have never gotten along - except for my
Mac, of course).
Kids used it first, got over my fear, took a million or so pics. They got so
sick of mom snapping
photos of them, would borrow it plenty, of course...
Then I got a little scratch on the lens... thought, hmm, maybe I can replace
this lens...
Guess what? I broke it. Just what I feared in the first place - totally
gone, no possibility of fixing
this digital camera.
sigh... it'll be a LONG time til I have money for a camera again.
Lynne

23) From: gin
my sister gave me a Nikon D70,
love this camera,  macs rule!!
ginny
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24) From: Justin Marquez
MACs rule for MAC users.  WIN boxes rule for WIN users.
I.e. - If it does what you want done, IT RULES
"You pays yer munny and takes yer choice".
I'm just glad we HAVE a choice.
Safe Journeys and Sweet Music
Justin Marquez (CYPRESS, TX)
On Nov 20, 2007 7:34 AM, gin  wrote:
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25) From: Allon Stern
On Nov 20, 2007, at 6:31 PM, Justin Marquez wrote:
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Yeah, but how often does IT do what you want done?
(IT ==http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_technology)s.c.f.t.h.i.
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allon

26) From: DJ Garcia
I'm glad you got some joy out of them - it makes it all the work worthwhile
... and in scheme of things sins may be a bit of an overstatement :-).

27) From: DJ Garcia
Mike, as it turns out my body is a Canon, though my lenses are Zeiss and
Leica. Hope that keeps me on your good side :-).
DJ

28) From: Treshell
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Its true, I also To go with my iMac, have 2 Nikon bodies and 6 Nikon lenses.
I have just recently got my old Zeiss Ikon out as I heard they are making
film for it again.  So I have a little class:>
By the way I would wait on the leopard till more of the bugs are out.  I do
have it but not installed.
treshell

29) From: raymanowen
leopards have bugs?
Your gins are not forsiven my son. -ro
On Nov 20, 2007 6:00 PM, Treshell  wrote:
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"When the theme hits the bass, I dance the Jig!" - -Virgil Fox at the Mighty
Wichita (ex- NYC Paramount) WurliTzer- 1976

30) From: gin
I have it as well right here next to this MAC, have not installed yet, waiting to see if the wireless issue is solved. I won't wait too long, gotta play with it.
g
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31) From: gin
true, you Rule Justin!!
ginny
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32) From: Justin Marquez
As a fellow at our office used to say... "How much would we have to pay to
get a computer department that doesn't 'help' us?".
(Actually, that's no longer a problem at our place of business.  Our IT Dept
actually does help us and keeps things running very smoothly.)
Safe Journeys and Sweet Music
Justin Marquez (CYPRESS, TX)
On Nov 20, 2007 5:55 PM, Allon Stern  wrote:
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33) From: Eric A. Duvall
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Leopard was the easiest upgrade I have ever made.  Wireless works  
fine.  There are some issues with 802.1X authentication with PEAP  
networks (mainly around remembering the security cert.).  If you use  
ical for Corporate calendaring with MS Exchange, Snerdware's Ggroupcal  
will not work until '08.  I have managed to work around this and  
everything else works perfectly.  I made the jump on all my Macs (3  
total include the iMac G4) the day it came out.  It's not like a  
Microsoft product where you really need to wait until the 2nd service  
pack release.
My humble opinion
Eric Duvall
On Nov 21, 2007, at 10:21 AM, Justin Marquez wrote:
As a fellow at our office used to say... "How much would we have to  
pay to get a computer department that doesn't 'help' us?".
(Actually, that's no longer a problem at our place of business.  Our  
IT Dept actually does help us and keeps things running very smoothly.)
Safe Journeys and Sweet Music
Justin Marquez (CYPRESS, TX)
On Nov 20, 2007 5:55 PM, Allon Stern  wrote:
On Nov 20, 2007, at 6:31 PM, Justin Marquez wrote:
 >  I.e. - If it does what you want done, IT RULES
Yeah, but how often does IT do what you want done?
(IT ==http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_technology)s.c.f.t.h.i.
-
allon
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Leopard was the easiest =
upgrade I have ever made.  Wireless works fine.  There are =
some issues with 802.1X authentication with PEAP networks (mainly around =
remembering the security cert.).  If you use ical for Corporate =
calendaring with MS Exchange, Snerdware's Ggroupcal will not work until =
'08.  I have managed to work around this and everything else works =
perfectly.  I made the jump on all my Macs (3 total include the =
iMac G4) the day it came out.  It's not like a Microsoft product =
where you really need to wait until the 2nd service pack =
release.
My humble = opinion
Eric = Duvall On Nov 21, 2007, at 10:21 AM, Justin = Marquez wrote:
As = a fellow at our office used to say... "How much would we have to = pay to get a computer department that doesn't 'help' us?". =   (Actually, that's no longer a problem at our = place of business.  Our IT Dept actually does help us and keeps = things running very smoothly.)   Safe = Journeys and Sweet Music Justin Marquez (CYPRESS, TX) = On Nov 20, 2007 5:55 PM, Allon Stern <allon> = wrote: On Nov 20, 2007, at 6:31 PM, Justin Marquez = wrote: >  I.e. - If it does what you want done, IT = RULES Yeah, but how often does IT do what you want = done? (IT == =http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_technology)s.c.f.t.h.= i. - allon = = --Apple-Mail-5-463698556--

34) From: Eric A. Duvall
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Obviously my spellcheck may have not worked properly ;-)...my apologies
Eric
On Nov 21, 2007, at 11:39 AM, Eric A. Duvall wrote:
Leopard was the easiest upgrade I have ever made.  Wireless works  
fine.  There are some issues with 802.1X authentication with PEAP  
networks (mainly around remembering the security cert.).  If you use  
ical for Corporate calendaring with MS Exchange, Snerdware's Ggroupcal  
will not work until '08.  I have managed to work around this and  
everything else works perfectly.  I made the jump on all my Macs (3  
total include the iMac G4) the day it came out.  It's not like a  
Microsoft product where you really need to wait until the 2nd service  
pack release.
My humble opinion
Eric Duvall
On Nov 21, 2007, at 10:21 AM, Justin Marquez wrote:
As a fellow at our office used to say... "How much would we have to  
pay to get a computer department that doesn't 'help' us?".
(Actually, that's no longer a problem at our place of business.  Our  
IT Dept actually does help us and keeps things running very smoothly.)
Safe Journeys and Sweet Music
Justin Marquez (CYPRESS, TX)
On Nov 20, 2007 5:55 PM, Allon Stern  wrote:
On Nov 20, 2007, at 6:31 PM, Justin Marquez wrote:
 >  I.e. - If it does what you want done, IT RULES
Yeah, but how often does IT do what you want done?
(IT ==http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_technology)s.c.f.t.h.i.
-
allon
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Obviously my spellcheck may =
have not worked properly ;-)...my apologies
Eric On Nov = 21, 2007, at 11:39 AM, Eric A. Duvall wrote:
My humble = opinion
Eric = Duvall On Nov 21, 2007, at 10:21 AM, Justin = Marquez wrote:
As = a fellow at our office used to say... "How much would we have to = pay to get a computer department that doesn't 'help' us?". =   (Actually, that's no longer a problem at our = place of business.  Our IT Dept actually does help us and keeps = things running very smoothly.)   Safe = Journeys and Sweet Music Justin Marquez (CYPRESS, TX) = On Nov 20, 2007 5:55 PM, Allon Stern <allon> = wrote: On Nov 20, 2007, at 6:31 PM, Justin Marquez = wrote: >  I.e. - If it does what you want done, IT = RULES Yeah, but how often does IT do what you want = done? (IT == =http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_technology)s.c.f.t.h.= i. - allon = = = --Apple-Mail-6-463845057--

35) From: Rich
There are a large number of Leopard adopters who will disagree with you.
Eric A. Duvall wrote:
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36) From: Frank Parth
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Rich,
I'm not so sure that's true. I subscribe to several Mac discussion groups, and the majority of early adopters have had no problems based on feedback to the groups. For many of the people who did, they did a simple upgrade (vs cleaner ways to install), and there seemed to be a common thread where they had Unsanity's APE installed. Removing it resolved alot of problems.
It's hard to tell exactly, because most people who have no problems don't bother to write about it. But after selling 2million copies just the first weekend Leopard seems a far more stable upgrade than the original OS X was.
At least, that's my take after doing a lot of reading before I upgraded my own systems. YMMV.
Frank Parth

37) From: gin
I will install in the morning.
I have never had a issue with any mac upgrade. I simply heard the day I got it about a wireless problem so decidded not to upgrade until I got back home with the PowerBook.
can't wait, maybve I will do it now??!!
ginny
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38) From: Mailing Lists
On Nov 21, 2007, at 3:30 PM, Rich wrote:
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No issues here on both my Powerbook and the Wife's MacBook.  It's a  
little quirky, but nothing major.  Both upgrades went without a  
hitch.  Still much better than the alternative (Vista).


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