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Topic: Other sites to post -->Re: +Behmor roasting (13 msgs / 331 lines)
1) From: Aaron Scholten
So Homeroasters links from time to time with this list.  Big deal.
How many of you have snipped links saying  oh go check out coffee geek 
or this or that place for an article or information?   Plenty.
How many of the cutsie little tag lines and signature lines that some of 
you have are whoring out your favorite site or self....  on this or 
that...... plenty.
How many have sent folks to RK Drums site, or Thor Tampers site, or 
Chocolate Alehemy's site just to name a few off the top of my head to 
see stuff, BUY stuff, yet nobody seems to mind about that?  While I have 
absolutely no problem with the above sites, it does seem a bit 
hypocritical that some sites are 'cool' and others are 'verboten'
Sweet Marias sells coffee and related supplies,  the e mail list is just 
a 'thing' here.  Homeroasters is not selling coffee or related material 
so is not a competetion to this list that is going to cost tom any 
$$$.   In fact someone may actually read something on the homeroast site 
and buy from tom because SM's is mentioned a lot over there.
There are pictures, and a forum style of archiving to quickly allow 
someone to dig up some information on that site.  Something this mailing 
list does not have.  For those of us who do not want to sift through 
literally thousands of E mails to find a tidbit from a year ago or so, 
it makes it a lot easier.
It's funny.  If I were to say, go check out homeroasters.org in this 
thread for the information you are looking for Id get whined at.  Yet... 
if I had the pretty much the identical tag as a signature line on my e 
mail, that gets seen every time I post, whether it is on topic or 
not....nobody would care.
Simply amazing.
Aaron

2) From: gin
Aaron Rules?!!
ginny
"got no site babe"
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3) From: Douglas Erickson
I found Homeroasters before I found this list.   I found out about SM 
through hr.  This was not THE thread, but topics on hr like
"Where do YOU get your green beans?" ... sends a whole lotta love (and 
hopefully some $) to SM.http://homeroasters.org/php/forum/viewthread.php?forum_id&thread_idp2#post_5964this xenophobia about other sites seems quite silly
-d

4) From: Brett Mason
Hey Doug,
I'm all for Homeroasters and others, but the point is that THIS LIST is
provided as a service by Sweet Marias to their customers, and SM has asked
that this list not point people to SM's competitors.  Now,
Homeroasters.orgis a bit different than most, because they are not in
the business.  They
are a similar kind of audience, people drawn because of shared passion of
roasting...
The concerns you are hearing about are primarily based in allegiance to Tom
and Maria at SM's, and are appropriately based...  Perhaps more context can
be found here:http://www.sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.htmlwhere Tom has
clearly given his rules for the list...
Another dynamic, also playing out, is the coffeehouse effect.  This is where
conversations develop, end up away from the original topic, sometimes come
back, and other times just go off from there.  People pretty much try to
stay on the topic, alas "OT" seems to happen a lot...
Well, maybe that will give you some context!
Brett
  Just one of the gang
On Nov 26, 2007 10:31 PM, Douglas Erickson 
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5) From: Aaron
Wow, looks like the sedative effect of the thanksgiving turkey has worn 
off here.
Sean, when you get down to day 15 ish then things really start to roll.  
Generally you are so busy packing stuff up, turning over with your 
incoming counterpart, customs, bla bla that the days just fly and before 
you know it, you'll be home with the wife.  Hang in there and it'll be 
around soon enough.  Maybe you need to start dropping the hint now that 
a great homecoming present might be a big bunch of greens to roast 
up...  just an idea.
Aaron

6) From: Sean Cary
I placed a 12lb order a week or so back after hearing about the Indian
Liberica...it is waiting for me.
After three deployments in three years, I am all too familiar with this...
Sean
On Nov 27, 2007 1:46 PM, Aaron  wrote:
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7) From: Phil Bergman Jungle Music
I think the most ethical thing to do is to not use this forum (provided by
Tom) as a means of advertising for or referring to other competitive
businesses.  We are all guests here.  This was Tom's creation and he puts
money and resources into it.  If one were so inclined to post promotion for
others, it would best be posted in a netural site like Homeroasters.  It's
not a matter of being discriminatory or snobby, but rather being polite to
our Host.  "Freedom of Speech" readers may disagree with me, but we all have
web brousers and it's the right thing to do.
Phil

8) From: Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee
I think this list has developed a good interpretation of our "no 
links" rule, and mostly when someone strays they get a reminder. I 
hope that reminder is polite, but have noticed lately that some 
people on the list can be pretty abrasive, and that includes some 
comments that I guess are supposed to be tongue-in-cheek. So while I 
DO feel like there are acceptable links (like homeroasters, 
coffeegeek, and personal sites about roasting) and there are 
unacceptable ones (like low-baller green coffee sources with lame 
past-crop selections from 1 or 2 brokers --hey, look, I can be 
vitriolic too! ;-)) . I mean, there is basically a short list of 
"friends of S.M." including RK, Thor, and others. I don't think 
that's unreasonable.
Now ...I think the List Rules section about being kind and polite to 
people you don't know is getting ignored more than anything. It takes 
time for newbies to get familiar with the culture of a list, and it's 
not unreasonable to expect obvious questions, or even a little 
strutting with one new tidbit of knowledge (I mean, isn't it 
especially true with this coffee thing that the "more you know the 
less you know", Mr McKoffee seems to mention it every time we talk 
and he's in the trade now!)
As far as the lack of features of a mist like this, when we tried to 
switch to a full feature Forum with a linked listserv the technology 
nor the list members really came through - the list wasn't truly 
linked and threaded into the forum, and most people did not want to 
participate via the forum. I am headed in a different direction with 
some new developments, such as my test site home roasting gallery 
(temporary URL ishttp://www.homeroasting.com/gallery/main.php  ) which will have user-upload galleries when I finish it. Anyway, no 
need to be super defensive about all this, Aaron S. - you make valid 
points and most people would agree with them. But do check out the 
rules and realize that we follow them rather loosely...
Tom
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                   "Great coffee comes from tiny roasters"
            Sweet Maria's Home Coffee Roasting  -  Tom & Maria
                      http://www.sweetmarias.com                Thompson Owen george_at_sweetmarias.com
     Sweet Maria's Coffee - 1115 21st Street, Oakland, CA 94607 - USA
             phone/fax: 888 876 5917 - tom_at_sweetmarias.com

9) From: Les
Thanks for the reminder Tom.  I like the list the way it runs.  It is my
virtual coffee shop in the morning.  I get to hang out with my fellow
homeroasters.  Laugh at some of the posts, cry with some of you.  Ingnore
some of the posts, and participate in conververstation if I want to.  Oh,
and lest I forget, spout my opinion on coffee stuff.  Plus I always seem to
learn something.
Les
On 11/27/07, Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee 
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10) From: Sandra Andina
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My understanding is that it is okay to list other sites ONLY as long  
as they do not sell anything SM's sells or products that rival any of  
SM's wares. And by that I mean ANYTHING--listing a site that sells a  
varietal of bean Tom declines to carry would still be verboten as the  
latter's a competing bean vendor.
Heaven knows there are other places on the net to find such sites, and  
it'd be "biting the hand that feeds us" to list them here.
Sandy Andina
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My understanding is that it is =
okay to list other sites ONLY as long as they do not sell anything SM's =
sells or products that rival any of SM's wares. And by that I mean =
ANYTHING--listing a site that sells a varietal of bean Tom declines to =
carry would still be verboten as the latter's a competing bean =
vendor.
Heaven = knows there are other places on the net to find such sites, and it'd be = "biting the hand that feeds us" to list them here. Sandy = Andinawww.myspace.com/sandyandina = --Apple-Mail-8-978623271--

11) From: Floyd Lozano
Amazon carries the Cooper 550 thermometer! ;)
On Nov 27, 2007 11:41 AM, Sandra Andina  wrote:
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12) From: Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee
Thanks for the reminder Tom.  I like the list the way it runs.  It is 
my virtual coffee shop in the morning.  snip
Les
very well put - virtual coffee shop in the am
Tom
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                   "Great coffee comes from tiny roasters"
            Sweet Maria's Home Coffee Roasting  -  Tom & Maria
                      http://www.sweetmarias.com                Thompson Owen george_at_sweetmarias.com
     Sweet Maria's Coffee - 1115 21st Street, Oakland, CA 94607 - USA
             phone/fax: 888 876 5917 - tom_at_sweetmarias.com

13) From: gin
Tom and Maria:
Thank you for your vote of confidence. We at homeroasters would never use your list for any commercial business, period.
Several of our members, we are still very small, have found Sweet Maria because of conversation on our non-commercial site.
We want to be a reference place for all old and new coffee roaster to talk...
I appreciate your kind support.
Warmest Regards,
ginny
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