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Topic: Drum .vs. Air was -> Re: +I feel like I am missing out!! (4 msgs / 167 lines)
1) From: Aaron Scholten
Phil Bergman Jungle Music wrote:
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Phil,  First off, let me say this:  I am not an expert at all in the 
drum .vs. the air roaster.  Until now, I have been almost exclusively an 
I roast 1 person.   I too have learned how to tame the quirks and get a 
good cup of coffee out of the I roast family.   I have heard many times 
on the list that drum is better, drum has more body, more brightness, 
yadda yadda....  Is it true, I don't know yet, I have only begun to 
compare.  Then again some folks like the bright, others it's not as 
major an issue. 
I will do up a batch of coffee in my behmor and the same coffee in my I 
roast and try to get them at the same level of roast (yah good luck 
aaron) and see if I can see any significant differences in the taste.
Now onto your question of does a drum produce a better coffee?  I am 
going to have to start the war by saying NO, it does NOT!!  It all 
depends on what YOU like.  If you are well pleased with the I roast or 
any air roaster then stick with it.  THis is very close to saying  
presspot is a better coffee than drip coffee, umm no it is NOT 
necessarily better, it's just made differently is all... it is your 
taste that determines if you like it or not what you think is better or 
not..
I am going to have to punt a bit on this one and say, if you need a real 
answer from someone who is more of an expert, or at least a seasoned 
veteran with several years of drum roasting to know what they are 
talking about, You would probably do much better getting an answer from 
someone such as RK of RKdrum fame, Mike, Alchemist or one of the folks 
who actually have been doing the drum thing for a while.   At worse, 
they will at least use the proper words to describe the differences  
than I would :)  Hopefully some of the other pipe in as well so we can 
get this discussion going.
I will be more than happy to do this comparison, as you got my curiosity 
really going now, but it will by no means be something one can call 
scientific, and will just be the comments of a rambling idiot when all 
is said and done on this end.
Now... off to figure out which coffee I want to test on.  oh wait,  Im 
gonna do a Kona, i know what that taste like and what exactly I like 
about it..... Time to grab the '05 Moki Farm and have at it!!  It's 
almost gone anyways and I can't think of a better way to use it.
thanks
Aaron

2) From: Michael Wade
Arguing over drum vs. fluid bed (air roaster) is like arguing whether an 
diesel powered boat or a sailboat is better for getting across the river. 
It's just a different way of getting there.
I have been relearning to appreciate my favorite coffees (and a lot of new 
ones!) because they don't taste the same from the hottop as they did from 
the iR2 or the HGDB.  Are they better or worse? No to both options.  Just 
different.  I tried for a while to get the Idido Misty Valley to pop with 
all the brightness and fruitiness that it did in an air roaster, and now I 
don't think I ever will; but this last batch has a much fuller midrange, and 
a long lingering fruity aftertaste that just knocks me out.  I discovered 
the Brazil Yellow bourbon had a wonderful subtle milk chocolate midrange, 
but the El Salvador Orange Bourbon is just, well, big and soft and smooth in 
a way that I believe I would never have tasted in an air roaster.  (MiKe's 
Frankenformer, but only with him at the controls, as a likely exceptiion)
You can tell I'm not a super-taster, or even any kind of a taster.  I'm just 
a drinker.  I love coffee, Mary and I discuss what we notice about our 
different coffees and different roasts, but there is no training or 
discipline involved, so if my plebian descriptions offend anyone, take what 
you can use and leave the rest.
Switching is like learning to roast and taste all over again.  What a cool 
thing!  It's like going back to high school knowing what you know now...
Michael

3) From: Phil Bergman Jungle Music
Aaron and Michael,
This will be fun.  I'm pretty much happy with the IR2 except for small
volume of beans.  But, if I learn that the drum makes better coffee, than
off to order I go.  I invite others to add comments or do the comparison.
I'll be sitting back learning.
Phil

4) From: Robert Gulley
Great description, Michael - and very helpful. I doubt if my "taster" 
will every be as sophisticated as many on this list, but my wife and 
I love our "coffee time" - really the best part of the day spent 
talking, enjoying the morning/evening air whenever possible, etc.
Coffee for us is the ultimate in relaxation able to be enjoyed every 
day. Good roasted coffee, however you get it, is a delight.
RG
At 12:17 PM 11/22/2007, you wrote:
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"I have measured out my life with coffee spoons."  ~T.S. Eliot  


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