Steven don't worry about john... you keep on doing what you have been, you are doing fine. some folks get their panties in a knot over nothing.. don't worry about them, they eventually either get over it.. or hopefully... just go away. This topic technically IS on topic since it was about coffee... some folks can't understand that the 'core' of a topic will drift back and forth as the topic evolves... ie folks carry on a normal human nature... conversation... I would say that some folks on the list are anal retentive. but .. im not sure some of them even have an anus.....which might explain why anytime they post it's a bunch of pure s^*%^. Again, don't take any rantings, ravings, crying, boo hooing, bedwetting, snivveling, snobbing, self pontificating etc etc. you see here personally. Many ego's on the list, and they will from time to time clash... don't let it bother you. Aaron Oh and PS I changed the topic, happy now?