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Topic: Behmor External Cooling (7 msgs / 254 lines)
1) From: Stan Armstrong
I am trying to decide on the Behmor. The sticking point is the 
prohibition of external cooling. I use the shopvac/colander/bucket 
method with my Z&D, and I don’t want to give up the roast control that 
provides. I have read many messages of people’s early experiences with 
Behmor cooling, and, as with most machine driven cooling, we are left 
wondering when the roast actually stops.
Why, why, why is there a problem using external cooling with the Behmor? 
Why might the machine be damaged? What would happen? Is there a 
work-around that won’t damage the machine. I understand that pulling the 
hot drum might damage the user and that Joe’s lawyers might not like 
that, but I can protect myself. The machine is my concern.

2) From: Alchemist John
OK, this is very simple.
Why is there a problem?  The circuit boards require a cool down after 
roasting to maintain longevity.
Solution:  Stop the roast, pull the drum (with gloves - I recommend a 
cold "dry run"), dump your beans and get them cooling.  Then, turn 
the machine on and hit cool.  It will start cooling again which will 
take care of the machine.
At 03:47 11/30/2007, you wrote:
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3) From: Floyd Lozano
There is one potential gotcha.  The square peg appears to expand more than
the square hole which accomodates it and can in some cases stick (happened
to me on my first roast).  The suggested solution was already covered on
list - emory cloth to the peg to knock off a micron or two of SS coating
(the tolerances are very tight) and you should be ok.  Otherwise, this is a
good workaround.  For my purposes, I'll probably continue to cool in the
machine, just using the 'open door after 4 min' tactic.  The big win for me
with the Behmor is that my setup goes from 'prep grill, rk drum, and cooling
equipment' to 'plug in Behmor' and cleanup is similarly simplified.  I'll
just figure out how to coast to my desired endpoint (still working on that
=) )
-F
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4) From: Les
Do take care when cooling.  I had a chaff fire yesterday!  I was roasting a
nice wet processed coffee that put off some very fine chaff.  I popped the
door open less than 15 seconds after the cool cycle started.  Apparently the
heat rods were still hot enough to set off the chaff, and wham!, I had a
nice little fire going.  I shut the door and the fire went out.  The smoke
suppressor did an awesome job and in about 3 minutes I opened the door again
with no problems.  Most important the roast was OK.
Les
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5) From: Stan Armstrong
Thanks John for answering both my why and my how. I had wondered whether
such a work-around was possible. I'll be placing my order with SM in a =
week.
I'd do it sooner, but we are going to the States the week after next, =
and I
don't want to risk the package arriving while we are away.
Thanks, too, to Floyd for alerting me to the possible square peg in a =
square
hole gotcha. Any time I can avoid a moment of panic I am grateful.
Stan
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John
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 8:40 AM
To: homeroast
Subject: Re: +Behmor External Cooling
OK, this is very simple.
Why is there a problem?  The circuit boards require a cool down after
roasting to maintain longevity. 
Solution:  Stop the roast, pull the drum (with gloves - I recommend a =
cold
"dry run"), dump your beans and get them cooling.  Then, turn the =
machine on
and hit cool.  It will start cooling again which will take care of the
machine.
At 03:47 11/30/2007, you wrote:
I am trying to decide on the Behmor. The sticking point is the =
prohibition
of external cooling. I use the shopvac/colander/bucket method with my =
Z&D,
and I don’t want to give up the roast control that provides. I have =
read
many messages of people’s early experiences with Behmor cooling, and, =
as
with most machine driven cooling, we are left wondering when the roast
actually stops.
Why, why, why is there a problem using external cooling with the Behmor? =
Why
might the machine be damaged? What would happen? Is there a work-around =
that
won’t damage the machine. I understand that pulling the hot drum might
damage the user and that Joe’s lawyers might not like that, but I can
protect myself. The machine is my concern.

6) From: Sandra Andina
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I'm mystified. The Behmor cools so well left to its own devices that I  =
wonder why anyone would want to externally cool the beans?
On Nov 30, 2007, at 5:47 AM, Stan Armstrong wrote:
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I'm mystified. The Behmor cools =
so well left to its own devices that I wonder why anyone would want to =
externally cool the beans?
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Stan Armstrong wrote:
I am = trying to decide on the Behmor. The sticking point is the prohibition of = external cooling. I use the shopvac/colander/bucket method with my = Z&D, and I don’t want to give up the roast control that provides. = I have read many messages of people’s early experiences with Behmor = cooling, and, as with most machine driven cooling, we are left wondering = when the roast actually stops. Why, why, why is there a problem = using external cooling with the Behmor? Why might the machine be = damaged? What would happen? Is there a work-around that won’t damage = the machine. I understand that pulling the hot drum might damage the = user and that Joe’s lawyers might not like that, but I can protect = myself. The machine is my = concern. homeroast = mailing list http://li=sts.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast To change your = personal list settings (digest options, vacations, unsvbscribes) go to =http://sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings= Sandy Andinawww.myspace.com/sandyandina = --Apple-Mail-7--899336594--

7) From: Stan Armstrong
Sandy,
The issue is control. Beans keep roasting even when the power is cut. In any
roaster, if we cool the beans externally and quickly, we stop the roast at a
precise time, known to us. When we leave our beans in the roaster to cool
automatically, the point at which there is no more roasting taking place is
unknown. That would be OK if all varieties of beans and all roasting
profiles cooled at the same rate. But that's not the case. With rapid
external roasting, you eliminate an unknown variable from the process.
Stan
From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Sandra Andina
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 3:33 PM
To: homeroast
Subject: Re: +Behmor External Cooling
I'm mystified. The Behmor cools so well left to its own devices that I
wonder why anyone would want to externally cool the beans?
On Nov 30, 2007, at 5:47 AM, Stan Armstrong wrote:
I am trying to decide on the Behmor. The sticking point is the prohibition
of external cooling. I use the shopvac/colander/bucket method with my Z&D,
and I don't want to give up the roast control that provides. I have read
many messages of people's early experiences with Behmor cooling, and, as
with most machine driven cooling, we are left wondering when the roast
actually stops.
Why, why, why is there a problem using external cooling with the Behmor? Why
might the machine be damaged? What would happen? Is there a work-around that
won't damage the machine. I understand that pulling the hot drum might
damage the user and that Joe's lawyers might not like that, but I can
protect myself. The machine is my concern.


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