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Topic: caution before you buy Mexican vanilla (9 msgs / 234 lines)
1) From: Zara Haimo
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When I first moved to LA years ago and went to Tijuana, I came back with =
a huge bottle of Mexican vanilla that cost a couple of dollars, what a =
bargain!  The next day, the LA Times ran a story about coumarin (a toxic =
chemical related to a rat poison and a blood thinning drug) tainting =
Mexican vanilla.  I threw out the bottle and never felt sure enough =
about what I was buying to get more on any trip to Mexico since then.  =
For details about the problem (which apparently still exists):http://gourmetsleuth.com/vanilla.htmhttp://www.vanilla.com/html/facts-extracts.html

2) From: True, Dennis W. FC1 (CVN69)
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it is just a good thing you read the article BEFORE you used it!
Dennis
 
(yes we are back underway- but "...I'll be home for Christmas" this
year!)

3) From: peterz
Thank you for the URL and warning Zara.
I just looked at my Mexican Vanilla, the brand we have been using for 
years since Charlotte discovered she likes it.
In big red letters across the top of the label it says: "DOES NOT 
CONTAIN COUMARIN ".
Never noticed that before.
Anyway, we have been using it regularly for about 8 years now.
Also, this label is in English, and has a list of ingredients, including 
vanilla extract and some other stuff.
Of course they stamp their silver .925 and their gold 14k also. :(
(I do not buy gold or silver jewelry there and believe it is real)
We have another bottle with a label written in Spanish, and it does not 
seem to have any ingredients listed, just where it was made. No 
disclaimers on that bottle... it goes in the trash. Hope they don't get 
me for hazardous waste!
Thank you again for the input.
PeterZ
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4) From: Sandra Andina
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Mine was written in English and listed only vanilla and distilled  
water.  Coumarin is an anticoagulant, administered to heart patients.  
The reason it is used as a rat poison (actually "warfarin," the active  
ingredient in D-Con) is that rats and mice routinely consume their  
body weight of any substance in one sitting, and it takes ingesting  
one's body weight of such an anticoagulant to bleed to death  
internally (which is how D-Con works--and why my vet years ago  
assuaged my fears when I'd discovered my first kitty, then 2 years  
old, consuming a mouse that'd succumbed to D-Con. The cat lived to 18).
On Dec 2, 2007, at 7:54 PM, peterz wrote:
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Sandy Andina
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Mine was written in English and =
listed only vanilla and distilled water.  Coumarin is an =
anticoagulant, administered to heart patients. The reason it is used as =
a rat poison (actually "warfarin," the active ingredient in D-Con) is =
that rats and mice routinely consume their body weight of any substance =
in one sitting, and it takes ingesting one's body weight of such an =
anticoagulant to bleed to death internally (which is how D-Con =
works--and why my vet years ago assuaged my fears when I'd discovered my =
first kitty, then 2 years old, consuming a mouse that'd succumbed to =
D-Con. The cat lived to 18).
On Dec 2, 2007, at 7:54 PM, =
peterz wrote:
Thank you for the URL and warning Zara. I just looked = at my Mexican Vanilla, the brand we have been using for years since = Charlotte discovered she likes it. In big red letters across the top = of the label it says: "DOES NOT CONTAIN COUMARIN ". Never noticed = that before. Anyway, we have been using it regularly for about 8 = years now. Also, this label is in English, and has a list of = ingredients, including vanilla extract and some other stuff. Of = course they stamp their silver .925 and their gold 14k also. :( (I do = not buy gold or silver jewelry there and believe it is real) We = have another bottle with a label written in Spanish, and it does not = seem to have any ingredients listed, just where it was made. No = disclaimers on that bottle... it goes in the trash. Hope they don't get = me for hazardous waste! Thank you again for the = input. PeterZ Zara Haimo wrote: When I first moved to LA years ago and went to Tijuana, I = came back with a huge bottle of Mexican vanilla that cost a couple of = dollars, what a bargain!  The next day, the LA Times ran a story = about coumarin (a toxic chemical related to a rat poison and a blood = thinning drug) tainting Mexican vanilla.  I threw out the bottle = and never felt sure enough about what I was buying to get more on any = trip to Mexico since then.  For details about the problem (which = apparently still exists): http://gourmetsleuth.com/van=illa.htm http://www.vanill=a.com/html/facts-extracts.html ------------------------------------------------------------= ------------ No virus found = in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus = Database: 269.16.12/1163 - Release Date: 12/1/2007 12:05 = PM =   = homeroast mailing list http://li=sts.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast To change your = personal list settings (digest options, vacations, unsvbscribes) go to =http://sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings= Sandy Andinawww.myspace.com/sandyandina = --Apple-Mail-8--694163243--

5) From: Zara Haimo
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water.  
From one of the links in my last post: "Mexico today still uses coumarin =
in much of its vanilla products.  Lacking strict labeling laws as we =
have in the U.S., Mexican manufactured products may not list accurate =
ingredients.  Again, purchase from a reliable source and steer clear of =
those large "bargain" sized bottles found all over Mexico."
I would not buy Mexican vanilla no matter what the label said unless I =
had *very* reliable information about the company that produced it.  =
Mexican vanilla beans, should be fine, though.

6) From: Steven Stegman
On Dec 2, 2007 9:32 PM, Sandra Andina  wrote:
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That's absolutely, dangerously, and laughably incorrect.
LD50 for warfarin is (according to webpage below) ~3 mg/kg. That'd mean a
dose of 2.4 grams would kill a 180 lb person (50% chance, assuming mice and
men had the same physiology)--hardly body weight (in fact, it's closer to a
millionth of body weight).http://extoxnet.orst.edu/pips/warfarin.htmhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warfarin
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7) From: John Brown
i always knew it was a rat poison. but i must take 6 mg dose daily to 
keep from dying from blood clots.  oh well one thing or another will do 
you in .
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8) From: W. Simon
Could you please follow the list rules by pre-pending your subject line with
"OT" for off-topic discussions?
Thank you
On Dec 2, 2007 7:30 PM, Zara Haimo  wrote:
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9) From: Dave Huddle
I really know nothing about vanilla, or the toxicity of coumarin - but
coumarin is NOT the same thing as warfarin nor the same as coumadin.
Close - but not the same.
Coumarin is 2H-1-Benzopyran-2-one.
Warfarin is is 4-hydroxy-3-(3-oxo-1-phenylbutyl)-2H-1-Benzopyran-2-one.
  Coumadin is the sodium salt of Warfarin.
(Many years ago I had a biochem course taught by the prof., Karl Paul
Link, in whose lab Warfarin was isolated and characterized.)
Warfarin was named for the Wisconsin Alumni Research Foundation.   If
I remember correctly,  income from the sale or licensing of Warfarin
went to the foundation for many years.
Dave
Westerville
On 12/2/07, Sandra Andina  wrote:
"> Mine was written in English and listed only vanilla and distilled water.
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