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Topic: I'm giving up (13 msgs / 384 lines)
1) From: JoAnne Phillips
After a couple of great results with the iRoast I was beginning to  
think I could master this thing.  I had a profile that got me to a  
barely discernible, over the roar, first crack in somewhere around 7  
1/2 to 8 minutes.  Day before yesterday, using the same profile and  
same greens, my temps climbed to the temperature where I was getting  
first crack (couldn't hear it over the roar though) in 4 minutes!!   
Then it stalled and started to go DOWN.  The manual says not to stop  
the machine until it finishes - only push cool if you feel you are  
dark enough.  Now it began to cut the fan in and out of fast speed  
but the temperature didn't go up or at least not very much.  After 9  
minutes it looked like a C+ or maybe FC and I pushed cool.  Today it  
doesn't smell like coffee when I opened the jar.  I truly don't think  
I managed to roast, but rather baked -- got quite a bit of smoke though.
Yesterday I dug out my old FR8 and sat and watched the show as the  
beans changed color during the roasting process.  No logging to do,  
no profiles to program in, no temperature watching - just sit and be  
entertained.  Then I heard a sharp snap and then another and what  
music to my ears - a full roll of first crack.  This lasted over a  
minute and then all was quiet for about 45 seconds and then a little  
gentle snap and I turned it to cool.  After about 30 minutes I felt  
the base and it was cool so I did a load of decaf - same result.
I wanted to be able to roast using a profile in hopes of finally  
tasting the fruits and berries and flowers that Tom talks about.  I  
never have - just good coffee. I have learned I really like a good  
Kenya best, but have enjoyed all the different coffees I've roasted  
and I like the variety.  But when it comes to roasting I'm giving  
up.  Roasting with the FR8 was just plain fun.  Roasting with the  
iRoar has been just plain work.  My FR8 is several years old, so I  
guess I'd better order a new one.  Sure don't want to go back to  
"store bought" coffee while I wait for one to be delivered.  I can  
retire I original to backup status.
JoAnne in Tucson

2) From: Ken Schillinger
Jo Ann,
I have never used an FR8. My old roaster is a Café Rosto (sp?). It sounds as 
though we had similar roasting experiences with our tried and true machines. 
I recently gave in and bought a Behmor which has worked well for me (no 
regrets). Instead of following the programs (which I probably will one day) 
I punch the P1 button (steady high heat), 1Lb. (longest roast time) button 
and hit the On button. Then I set back, watch and listen; it's so nice to be 
able to hear the cracks with no trouble for a change:-) . So far I have had 
good results with a minimum of frustration. All that to say that you may 
like to order a Behmor, and keep your FR8 as a backup machine.
Good Luck, Ken.

3) From: RK
NO don't give up JoAnne, The FR8 is good roaster, simple and straight
forward. As for the tasting the flavors that Tom describes, remember he is
an expert cupper and has been doing this for years, not all people have such
discerned pallets, If you don't taste all the flavors but still like the
flavors of fresh roasted coffee that you are tasting, this alone is a great
reason to keep on home roasting.
BTW the FR8 is capable of profiles there have been many post on this
subject. Check the archives.
Cheers
RK

4) From: Tim Harvey
Also consider your brewing method. Comparing the office coffee pot (on which I do a few cheats to help), an Americano, french press, and that little pour over filter holder method, all the tastes are incredibly different.  Maybe switching up that will help.   I also noticed my roasts were suffering considerably b/c I'd let them stall before or during first w/ my modified popper. I also got a Behmor and have been fairly happy.  Some loss of control, and I need to work on better ventilation, but otherwise good.
I've also found to get the fruitiness you have sto stop at about city-city+.  Full city seems to be the cure for fruity coffee.
Hope it helps, keep roasting!
Tim
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5) From: Brian Kamnetz
Tim,
As is true of many people on this list, I've started to really like
the flavors that are at city to city +. Some fruit, true, and also
many other flavors that I have no words to describe.
Brian
On Dec 3, 2007 7:05 PM, Tim Harvey  wrote:
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6) From: Robert Avery
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
Sorry to hear about your dilemma with the Iroast. I cant say the same =
thing about the one I had .. the only thing I didn't like about it was =
the volume of the roast. I also had better luck just plugging in the =
profile that came with the unit and watching the roast for color. Right =
after the start of the second crack .. I shut her down for the cool =
process. The thing I found with it as well as my hottop ... so many =
things influence the roast when you have things like humidity, outside =
temps, etc. .. you really have to concentrate on the beans color and =
crack. ....give it another whirl and follow one profile till you get =
your results ... Later, Bob

7) From: gin
JoAnne:
I agree with Ron!! Do not give up...
I started with a FR original and have the FR8 and it is a great roaster. It is a fast roaster and trust me you will not get all of th flavors, smells and bean character right off the bat...
I still marvel at the flavors I find after roasting for almost 6 years.
Keep the FR8 going.
If you have any questions please feel free to email me at:
thegster
I would be more then happy to help you out.
regards,
ginny
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8) From: JoAnne Phillips
I have no intention of no longer roasting, which is what folks seem  
to feel is what I said.  I'm giving up on the iRoast and going back  
to the FR8.  So I will be roasting more loads as 3 oz is tops for  
that machine -- even less with some beans that really swell or are  
dense.  But I will be enjoying it more.  A more relaxed time and I  
can hear the cracks.  I know when to stop for a C or C+ or to go to  
that first quiet snap of second for a FC, a bit more for a FC+.  In  
all honesty I think the coffee tasted better before I tried to master  
the iRoast.  Frankly, I can't afford the Behmor - I stretched the  
budget for the iRoast.  One thing I have bought and really think has  
improved my cup pleasure is the Maestro Plus.  I am the only coffee  
drinker in the family and my "coffee fetish" is frowned upon to some  
extent.
JoAnne in Tucson
On Dec 3, 2007, at 5:05 PM, Tim Harvey wrote:
Also consider your brewing method. Comparing the office coffee pot  
(on which I do a few cheats to help), an Americano, french press, and  
that little pour over filter holder method, all the tastes are  
incredibly different.  Maybe switching up that will help.   I also  
noticed my roasts were suffering considerably b/c I'd let them stall  
before or during first w/ my modified popper. I also got a Behmor and  
have been fairly happy.  Some loss of control, and I need to work on  
better ventilation, but otherwise good.
I've also found to get the fruitiness you have sto stop at about city- 
city+.  Full city seems to be the cure for fruity coffee.
Hope it helps, keep roasting!
Tim
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9) From: Robert Joslin
*LET THEM FROWN!!!      *Josh
On Dec 3, 2007 10:47 PM, JoAnne Phillips  wrote:
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10) From: Michael Wade
JoAnne:
Good for you, going back to something you enjoy instead of struggle with.  I 
gave up on the iR2 myself. It was a huge time-sink because I was searching 
for the ability to control and improve my roast profiles.  I got there, to 
an extent, but finally abandoned it because of what is humorously called the 
"iRoar" - I couldn't hear the cracks.   It might be a perfect machine for 
some, but didn't work for me.
Speaking to budget limitations, the absolute best return for the money I 
have ever spent on coffee is the Aeropress.  I use a Solis Maestro, not the 
plus, and for me it does a mediocre job of grind uniformity in the drip 
range, resulting in overextraction bitterness.  It's better in a press, but 
in the short brew cycle of the Aeropress the improvement is amazing!
Since you're only brewing for yourself, it should be perfect, but don't let 
any of the frowners taste it, or you might wind up makiing more...
Michael

11) From: Mejia, Carlos

12) From: JoAnne Phillips
Thanks for the encouragement Michael.  I do use an AeroPress and have  
for some time.  A wonderful thing to travel with.  Weighs almost  
nothing and I followed Tom's advice and took a jar of pre-ground with  
me for a short trip to the east coast for my class 60th reunion.  I  
had a great cupa to start my day in my hotel room while I watched the  
morning news.  I also took a hot pot as I didn't trust the in-room  
coffee maker to produce water hot enough to extract.  I'm sorry the  
Solis Maestro isn't doing a good job for you, does it perhaps need  
new burrs?  It sounds like it is reasonably easy to replace them and  
they do wear down over time.  The grinder made a huge difference in  
the performance of my AeroPress - I almost couldn't believe it.
JoAnne in Tucson
On Dec 4, 2007, at 9:35 AM, Michael Wade wrote:
JoAnne:
Good for you, going back to something you enjoy instead of struggle  
with.  I gave up on the iR2 myself. It was a huge time-sink because I  
was searching for the ability to control and improve my roast  
profiles.  I got there, to an extent, but finally abandoned it  
because of what is humorously called the "iRoar" - I couldn't hear  
the cracks.   It might be a perfect machine for some, but didn't work  
for me.
Speaking to budget limitations, the absolute best return for the  
money I have ever spent on coffee is the Aeropress.  I use a Solis  
Maestro, not the plus, and for me it does a mediocre job of grind  
uniformity in the drip range, resulting in overextraction  
bitterness.  It's better in a press, but in the short brew cycle of  
the Aeropress the improvement is amazing!
Since you're only brewing for yourself, it should be perfect, but  
don't let any of the frowners taste it, or you might wind up makiing  
more...
Michael

13) From: Allon Stern
On Dec 4, 2007, at 11:43 PM, "Mejia, Carlos"   
wrote:
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Me too. :-)
-
allon


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