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Topic: OT :was Re: "benefits" of caffeine (5 msgs / 117 lines)
1) From: Julie Tieszen
Dave,
That make sense to me. I can't drink too much of my homeroast or it will keep me up at night as well. 
This reminds me of a question I have been meaning to ask this list. I have been drinking more tea recently.....don't worry.....I'm still roasting quite a bit of coffee. I read one place that the caffeine in tea is water soluble and therefore doesn't stay in your system long, whereas the caffeine from coffee stays in your system much longer. Does anyone know anything about that difference? 
Julie
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From: Dave Ehrenkranz 
To: homeroast
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 11:19:10 AM
Subject: "benefits" of caffeine Re: +(no subject)
Ellen,First of all welcome! I very much enjoyed reading your post.
If I understand correctly (which is always doubtful) you asking about the possible effects of caffeine from Cameroon Caplavi Java. You sense it is making you "sort of anxious and jittery." I have not yet roasted this bean I will soon. BUT I think I understand what you are talking about. Before I started to roast I was always able to drink "strong" coffee just before going to bed and never had a problem getting to sleep. I started roasting when I was getting ready to retire from work. I noticed I couldn't get to sleep and at first thought it was my mind trying to adjust to a big change in life. But I quickly discovered it was the home roasted coffee beans. The lighter the roast the more caffeine (contrary to what I thought and most non-home-roasters still think). Even my darker roasts have much more caffeine than store bought "fresh" whole beans.
Now I try rarely drink caffeinated beans past noon. Although the other night I brewed a cup of half decaf and half caffeine beans and was able to get to sleep, but I was VERY tired that night as I was up at 5AM that morning and was VERY busy during the day. Last evening I had a small mug of caffeinated coffee and didn't go to bed until 3 AM and still couldn't get to sleep easily. I also got out of bed at 8AM. So that is one of the ways home roasted beans have changed my life. The good thing is even the decaffeinated beans are better tasting than store bought beans.
So I do not believe it is Cameroon Caplavi Java that is causing your symptoms but rather home roasted beans in general. At least that is my theory. I know I can not drink my home roasted caffeinated beans 24/7 and not be VERY anxious, jittery, and sleepless.
dave
On Dec 10, 2007, at 6:33 AM, ellen howlett wrote:
Hi.  I've been just reading for a month;  not in the same league as most of the posters.  I only just found out it was possible to get green beans and roast them, while I was researching yet another type of coffee paraphenalia that I didn't currently own..yup, I'm a closeted lifelong coffee nut.  So I have increased my stash of brewers by two vacuum pots and an electric moka pot, and a boilertype espresso pot which is in a box by the front door (going,going...).  Anyhow, I brew coffee at home, and have had maybe four cups of Starbucks since they opened (at the behest of whoever was with me on those days).  When I rarely go visiting I'm likely to bring a bag of coffee if there's any possibility the person has nothing to brew except some yummy "flavored" dreck.
I was impressed that *$s sure did put some coffee in the brew, but I didn't know much about roasts.
Anyway, I found SM because their tutorials were mentioned here and there, and everybody who wrote a tutorial website mentioned that they acquired their beans from Sweet Maria's.  Pretty high praise really.  So I put away my natural reservations, and bought a sample package, and a few # of whatever looked good.  The very first batch was in a fryingpan on the carport with my convection oven on top...I thought this one up myself...but it shut off thermostatically, at about 350 or 400 degrees.  Of course it baked and didn't roast so undaunted I dragged out a hotplate.  I think it was usable (the coffee that is), only because I am very frugal.  I had as a cooling aid, an electric airbed pump (which is a pretty good portable source of cooling air someone might try if they want a positive pressure instead of a shop vac).
The next batch, some pretty little peaberries, I used a heatgun and dogbowl.   I had read there would be smoke, and I guess it was an overcompensation for the pale starchy first batch, because I just sat there stirring while I watched them get "really" shiny and dark.  Fortunately I didn't have to make the decision to throw em away, since I had a clumsy moment and spilled them in  the laundry room.  Well, most of them.  I ground some in my little burr grinder, and they were so degraded that they gummed it up.  Charcoal, almost, but I don't do any grilling nowadays.  
The third batch was the Cameroon Caplavi Java.  It was the most heavenly coffee, eye-rollingly fragrant, and smooth and rich.  I roasted it to city+ or maybe full city.   I remember the name of it  because  it  was so  good, but I gave it to my  neighbor whom I  hardly  knew  (apparently  a  good  karma  producer;  she  came to my  door with a covered  dish on  Thanksgiving).
I hope you'll forgive me  for  rambling on but I suppose it's not as much work to read this as it is for me to write it.  I wanted to introduce myself.  I am  a thriftstore shopper (just one step up from the curb), an old hippy (the sixties version) and am striving to be low tech in all things while being yet a fan of the Rube Goldberg school.  I've graduated to a hot air popper, for the nonce, and am grinding in a cast iron Enterprise crank coffeegrinder which was very high tech when it first came out.  I get a bit disappointed if I see smoke at the roast but I like to hear just a bit of the second crack if possible.  I basically use my eyes and my nose to control the process, along with a couple of metal spoons I can swap out for heatsinks if things should get too hot.  I think it's city+ I'm generally aiming for;  maybe full city.  I've accepted that the roast isn't always pretty and consistent;  if I wait for that to happen I may end up with a darker
 roast than I want.
This Cameroon java coffee, each time I sampled it (and I kept gamely sampling it til the third day when I knew for sure I had to get it away from me) had an immediate effect of making me feel sort of anxious and jittery.  I haven't noticed anyone discussing the benefits of caffiene, and I didn't really want to, but I feel sure someone will know what I'm getting at.  I am a coffee drinker, like no one I know. 24/7.  
I have to be very careful what I ingest, or breathe or bathe in because I have some health problems along with  neurologic and cognitive issues that could be equated with multiple chemical sensitivities.  I don't get out very much and my energy level is low.  Good days sometimes for which I am very grateful, and my mind is very busy.
Coffee is my drug of choice and agrees with me well, generally, yet I,m thinking that maybe I'd better keep to the FTO varieties (I was drinking Folgers Gourmet Supreme since about 1997, but the quality of that was not making me happy;  it was just tolerable if I tweaked the grind a bit and used plenty of it). Bigcoffee only knows what chemicals could have been found on that stuff!  
I want to know if anyone here who doesn't think I'm a crank has ever had a similar problem, and if I need to steer clear of Java types.  Okay, I'm right here; of course you think I'm a crank.  That's the price I must pay for coming out.  I do not mean to malign any coffee without giving it a fair trial, but I can't afford to experiment too much, either ($).  Does anybody know (this would be funny if it weren't so...) anything that could help me out?
This is a one time query,  I really don't write very much or at least not very often.  I just didn't know who else to ask.  And I wanted y'all to know there's another nut lurking out here.   Ellen
       
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2) From: gin
Julie:
Me thinks that is not a fact but I will go look.
I understand that tea has more caffeine then coffee.
ginny
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3) From: Randall Nortman
On Mon, Dec 10, 2007 at 08:34:36AM -0800, Julie Tieszen wrote:
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Speaking purely from my knowledge of chemistry, not of coffee, I can
say that caffeine is caffeine is caffeine.  Caffeine is a molecule.
Every molecule of caffeine is identical to every other one, just like
every molecule of oxygen or carbon dioxide or dihydrogen monoxide
(water) is just like every other one.  If caffeine from tea has a
different effect than caffeine from coffee, it is because of something
else that's in the tea or coffee which affects how the body processes
the caffeine, not because the caffeine itself is different.
Every table of caffeine content I've ever seen lists coffee as having
more caffeine than tea, but I'm sure that depends to some extent on
the tea leaves, coffee beans, and how you brew each one.  But the
difference is pretty big from what I've seen, so you'd have to brew an
awfully weak cup of coffee and an awfully strong cup of tea for the
tea to have more caffeine than the coffee, I think.
-- 
Randall

4) From: Mike Chester
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This is one of those statements that is partially true.  One pound of tea 
contains more caffeine than one pound of coffee, but you use a much lower 
mass of tea to brew a cup of tea than you use for a cup of coffee.  The 
resulting cup has about half the caffeine that the cup of coffee has.

5) From: Bryan Wray
This depends on the type of tea as well. 
Bryan Wray
NaDean's Coffee Place/
Dino's Coffee Lounge
Kalamazoo, MI
"It is my hope that people realize that coffee is more than just a caffeine delivery service, it can be a culinary art"- Chris Owens.
       
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