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Topic: was(no subject)==Heatgun help (31 msgs / 618 lines)
1) From: PJ
Brian
I just burned out my big orange heatgun after 9 months    I thought I had 
luck up and found one that was going to last but not so    I've tried two 
wagners since and neither of them puts out the heat that the orange did the 
first one was supposedly a commercial grade don't know the model and the 
second is a ht3500    You said you have a "much more powerful HG" now 
would you mind sharing the brand and model# with me this question is not 
only for Brian but any one that can help
TIA
PJ

2) From: Patrick R. Sklenar
PJ wrote:
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PJ,.
Interesting.  I've been using a Wagner HT3500 and have been quite happy 
with it  You can see the basics from my online roasting log, but a half 
pound roast usually is in the 9 to 12 minute range and a pound roast 
usually takes between 13 & 15 minutes (all depending on the bean's; 
ambient temp doesn't appear to make as much of a difference as I had 
expected).  As of Saturday, I've now roasted 48 pounds with it in 62 
sessions.  Still going strong.  Hmmm ... I started in late March, so 
that's in roughly eight & a half months time.
pat----http://www.sklenar.info/coffee.html

3) From: Jim Gundlach
PJ,
        I have the Milwaukee 8986-20  I got mine for about $90 on  
ebay.  Same seller still has the same offer out.  Five year warranty  
and it is not too heavy.
     pecan jim
On Dec 10, 2007, at 5:45 PM, PJ wrote:
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4) From: Kris Bhatti
Hi PJ,
I wish you would have posted this message about 2 hours earlier!  My 9 month old orange HG died last week too and I bought a Wagner (the cheap $25 model) at Lowe's this afternoon.  I rushed in the house, weighed out my beans and went to work as soon as I got home.  Oh how I  miss my orange gun...  The dough cycle on my bread machine is only 20 minutes.  I was barely getting to first crack at 20.  I stirred with a wooden spoon for 4 more minutes and then called it quits.  I don't know if these beans will even be usable - it was 22 oz of Liquid Amber.  I didn't realize that all heatguns are not created equal.  I really don't want to make a $90 heatgun investment right now, but also can't afford to keep losing whole batches of beans.  I think I'll be going back to Harbor Freight and try another orange for the time being.  It's all so sad - those innocent beans gone to waste...
Kris
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From: PJ 
To: homeroast
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 3:45:25 PM
Subject: Re: +was(no subject)==Heatgun help
Brian
I just burned out my big orange heatgun after 9 months    I thought I
 had 
luck up and found one that was going to last but not so    I've tried
 two 
wagners since and neither of them puts out the heat that the orange did
 the 
first one was supposedly a commercial grade don't know the model and
 the 
second is a ht3500    You said you have a "much more powerful HG" now 
would you mind sharing the brand and model# with me this question is
 not 
only for Brian but any one that can help
TIA
PJ

5) From: raymanowen
PJ- You Dog!
You got *9 months* out of Glorious People's Orange? Let me tell you- Not
Bad! Not bad at all!! I found mine was the model with the smoke, fireballs
and blue fire option after roast #3. Almost finished roast 4, 900g of a
Yirg, it was made Over There.
I definitely noticed it was hotter and faster roasting than its replacement-
the Wagner HT-1000. The Wag has a two year warranty, so I ought to get its
replacement now while they're still $24 at Lowes. Its countdown timer is
nearly at zero.
Cheers, Mabuhay -RayO, aka Opa!
On Dec 10, 2007 4:45 PM, PJ  wrote:
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6) From: an iconoclast
On Dec 10, 2007 4:33 PM, Jim Gundlach  wrote:
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Me, too, Jim. I love this gun.  It's got variable LED temp readout, easy to
clean filters.  We hang it off the side of the BBQ grill pointing into the
mesh colander in the dog bowl.  We hold it down with a 5 lb bag o' beans.
We control the heat from both the side burner and the HG.  Can do a bit over
2 lbs of greens at a time.  We've had it over 2 years now, often roasting
more than 10 lbs a week and it's going strong.
Take care,
Ann
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7) From: Bill Hill
OK, so a question about roasting with a heat gun... is there a minimum
ambient temperature?  In other words, does it get cold enough that you
can't roast with a heat gun?  Do you do anything different if the
temperature is below freezing?  Thanks for the info, I really
appreciate it!!!
Peace,
Bill
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8) From: Rich
It all depends on the heat gun you are using, the weight of the beans 
and whether or not you are exposed to the wind.
Bill Hill wrote:
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9) From: Bill Hill
Let's say a Wagner HT 775, 15 oz of beans, and a 10 mph wind.  what if
you used 10 oz of beans?  could you roast at freezing temps?
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10) From: Rich
The wind will give you fits.  If you choke down the gun to raise the 
temp you loose air flow and you have to blanket the beans with hot air. 
  Wrap bowl with light insulation and shield from wind and you should be 
able to do a pound at a pop.  Think big cardboard box.
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11) From: Bill Hill
I think I'm gonna try the heat gun method.  I like the inexpensive
ways to roast (I think they seem more romantic!), but I've been having
fits with a stovetop popcorn popper.  I keep chewing up gears!!  I'm a
little worried about wind here in Cheyenne, so maybe I'll start
roasting early in the morning before the wind picks up... Thanks for
the input!
Peace
Bill
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12) From: an iconoclast
On Dec 10, 2007 8:34 PM, Bill Hill  wrote:
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My husband, Dan, roasted 2 lbs of a decaf blend and 2 lbs of our Holiday
blend yesterday in 29 degree temps.  But, the side burner of our BBQ grill
provides another heat source as well as protection from the wind when he
clamps the lid to side burner in the vertical position.  The roast is
slower, but not that's not necessarily a bad thing.  Winter roasts tend to
have more body than summer roasts due to ambient temp and a slower roast.
Take care,
Ann
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13) From: Vicki Smith
One of the nice things about roasting in a bread machine is that the 
bread pan, sitting in amongst all that insulated goodness that is the 
bread machine itself, seems to do away with problems caused by wind as 
long as the business end of the heat gun is within the bread pan.
I've used my heat gun in very, very cold weather--well below freezing. I 
do try to remember to bring it inside between roasts and I preheat my 
bread machine with the heat gun before attempting to roast in it.
vicki
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14) From: PJ
Patrick
It sound like my gun is doing about the same as yours I just felt having to 
run full throttle to get a pound to city +  in 13 to 15 leaves no room to 
try to profile a roast (if I ever get to that point of experience) I guess 
just as Kris mentioned I am used to the orange gun that has lots of power 
(just no life expectance) and thought I should have more heat than what the 
wagner has to offer    To get the brightness of the kenya that I like so 
well I would like to be able to get my time down to about 11:30 to 12:00 on 
a 1# roast with the orange gun I would have to back off the heat to hit that 
mark and Ray I am a dog  (a lucky dog) : ) that come to about 13cents a 
pound so I want complain      Kris I took my first wagner back after two 
roast but that was a local hardware I would give it a try you never know you 
might get lucky
Thanks everyone for the input
PJ
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15) From: Rich
I use the garage as i can close the door and then the wind is not a 
problem.  Take warm beans from the house to garage and a cold start is 
also not a problem.  Does make a mess on the floor but a broom will fix 
the mess also.  If no garage, then a decent sized cardboard box with a 
concrete block inside to hold it still should work.
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16) From: Julie Yarrington
So...........are you guys allowed to recommend a heat gun that will last
without breaking the bank?!?
the other Julie
On Dec 11, 2007 8:05 AM, PJ  wrote:
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17) From: Brett Mason
Julie, considering I never want to buy a replacement 2 or 3 times, I always
go to Amazon, and see what people buy, and how the reviews are...  Here's
what I would buy, if I didn't already own a great heatgun, that cost me a
little more than this...http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00004TI25/ref=pd_cp_hi_3?pf_rd_p'7661601&pf_rd_s=center-41&pf_rd_t1&pf_rd_i°0004TUCV&pf_rd_m
VPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r5HY5DNQA5DDF6VAKEF
It's a Milwaukee - $65 and free shipping...  7 great user reviews...
Alternately, spend the following:
  $23 = cheap gun
  $ 5 = the roast that the gun fails on - can't rescue these beans
  $34 = replacement for the cheap gun
  -----------------------------------------------------
  $68 total outlay, so far, and you still have a cheap gun...
Good Luck,
Brett
On 12/11/07, Julie Yarrington  wrote:
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Cheers,
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18) From: Edward Rasmussen
Hi Neighbor,
Well, the wind and temperatures over the hill here in Laramie didn't
prevent me from roasting in my back yard all last winter with my HG/DB
combo.  Sometimes I would wait until the temps got up into the 10's and
20's and I would try to pick a time when the air was pretty still, but I
never had a problem.  
I did often set the DB on the side burner of the BBque for a little
extra heat, but I'm not sure that was necessary.  I had to be careful to
keep the BBque heat pretty low so as not to have the roast go too fast.
And I usually put up a wind shield to try to control excessive air
movement over the top of the DB.
This year, in an effort to get more repeatable profiles, I ordered a
Behmor from SM's and I'm starting to learn how to use that, still in the
back yard because of my wife's allergies and extreme sensitivity to
smoke in the house.  But I would never hesitate to use the HG/DB if the
mood hit me.
Ed

19) From: Allon Stern
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On Dec 11, 2007, at 10:15 AM, Brett Mason wrote:
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Either that, or ditch the consumer models and go with a commercial  
heat gun. Check out Master Appliance Corp.http://www.masterappliance.com/master1.htmlin  ">http://www.masterappliance.com/Thinking of thehttp://www.masterappliance.com/master1.htmlin  
particular.
Not cheap, though. Figure around $100, but that gets you a lot of  
heat gun. And you can buy parts and FIX it instead of replacing it,  
if it fails. Note the different temperature ranges - you don't want  
the HG-201A, for example....
-
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On Dec 11, 2007, at 10:15 AM, Brett Mason wrote:
Julie, = considering I never want to buy a replacement 2 or 3 times, I always go = to Amazon, and see what people buy, and how the reviews are...  Here's = what I would buy, if I didn't already own a great heatgun, that cost me = a little more than this...   ht= tp://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00004TI25/ref=pd_cp_hi_3?pf_rd_p=27766= 1601&pf_rd_s=center-41&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B00004TUCV&am= p;pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=1W5HY5DNQA5DDF6VAKEF =   It's a Milwaukee - $65 and free shipping...  7 = great user reviews...   Alternately, spend the = following:   $23 = cheap gun   $ 5 = the = roast that the gun fails on - can't rescue these beans   = $34 = replacement for the cheap gun   = -----------------------------------------------------   $68 = total outlay, so far, and you still have a cheap gun... =   Good Luck, = Brett Either that, or ditch = the consumer models and go with a commercial heat gun. Check out Master = Appliance Corp.Not cheap, though. Figure =">http://www.masterappliance.com=/Thinking of the http://www.masterappl=iance.com/master1.html in particular.
Not cheap, though. Figure = around $100, but that gets you a lot of heat gun. And you can buy parts = and FIX it instead of replacing it, if it fails. Note the different = temperature ranges - you don't want the HG-201A, for = example....
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20) From: Rich
Your criteria are mutually exclusive.  You get what you pay for.  To 
roast coffee you have to add heat energy to the beans fast enough to 
roast instead of baking them while also not scorching them.  These 
criteria limit the maximum gun outlet temperature and also requires a 
high air volume output.  If this was not true a number 20 tip on an oxy 
/ acet. torch would be perfect, charbucks in less than a second.
Julie Yarrington wrote:
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21) From: Rich
Bean roasting with HG economics 101.....
Brett Mason wrote:
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22) From: Rich
The Master HG to buy is the HG-751b.  You will not regret it.  Sometimes 
you can find them for $85.00 new or slightly less on eBay.  You will be 
able to will it to your children also.  A couple of Chinese knockoffs 
and you will have bought the real one.
Allon Stern wrote:
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23) From: Jim Gundlach
On Dec 11, 2007, at 9:01 AM, Julie Yarrington wrote:
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Here is a summary of my heat gun experiences.
      I started with a Wagner power stripper I had bought back in the  
early 70's and it soon melted.  I have gone through two China made  
things and actually have a third that I haven't bothered to use yet.   
I bought a Master 501 but it kept burning out heating elements and  
they are a real pain to replace.  I bought a couple of others from the  
hardware store in the $20 to $30 price range but they did not produce  
enough heat to do a pound well.  On all of these I have probably spent  
more than $150 not counting time and transportation and got about 75  
roasts out of them.  I spent $90 on the Milwaukee 8986-20 and have  
well over a hundred roasts out of it and it still has more than three  
years of its warranty left.  Seems like the more I tried to save, the  
more it cost in the long run.
      pecan jim

24) From: peterz
Thanks for your input Jim.
I had almost the same experience with coffee grinders!
PeterZ
Loves his Mazzers, here in LHC
Jim Gundlach wrote:
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25) From: Bill Hill
OK, thanks for your help on the cold-weather suggestions.  Another
question, how big of a container do y'all roast?  I understand that
the container dictates how much you can roast.  So what do you use,
how much do you roast, how big is it?  I'm especially interested in
what people use for 1 or 2 pound roasts...that's where I'm looking to
tend.
Additionally, any issues with larger roasts other than roast time?  Do
you use a higher temp or air velocity setting than you would for say
1/2 a pound?  Thanks in advance!
Peace
Bill
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26) From: Brian Kamnetz
Bill,
I like high sides on the bowl - or, in my case, in the wire strainer I
place inside the stainless steel bowl. Got both at Target a number of
years ago. I don't want the beans to be more than an inch or so deep,
and I prefer a bit less.
I can quite easily roast a pound at a time with the Master 751b, but I
use about half a pound a week, so that's how much I usually roast.
It's been long enough since I roasted a pound that I can't remember
whether it took longer than half a pound. I have lots of excess heat
capacity when I roast half a pound (the heat gun is often 6 inches or
a bit more from the beans), so I'm quite sure that, once I practiced a
couple times, I could hit the roasting progression at the times I
prefer. From the comments I've seen on the list, this is more of an
issue with heat guns that put out fewer BTUs.
Brian
On Dec 11, 2007 2:51 PM, Bill Hill  wrote:
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27) From: Rich
HG-751 set on the high flow low temp setting which is 750 degrees outlet 
temp as measured.  Beans into a 4 quart West Bend mixing bowl that also 
has a handle.  Beans stirred with a modified whisk and NOT a wood spoon. 
  Gloves are regular welding gloves, also work well as oven gloves. 
Normal batch size is 24 oz of green and the time is the same for 16 to 2 
oz.  The gun is about 1/2" closer to the beans for the larger load is 
all.  The next batch will be the full 32 oz of greens.  I am playing 
with the Behmor now and have lots of coffee to consume before it goes 
stale so I have not done the 32 oz HG roast yet but I anticipate no 
problem when I do.
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28) From: Bill Hill
Rich, how large of a vessel will you use?  Will you use the 4 quart
mixing bowl as well?  Thanks for the imput, Rich and Brian!!
Peace,
Bill
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29) From: Rich
When I run the 2 lb batch I will use the same bowl.  SAMS has som real 
deep commercial mixing bowls that will work fine also.  The whisk stirs 
the beans but does not fling them on the floor.  The West bend bowl is 
8" dia x 4 1/2" deep.  The 2 pounds is about half full maybe a little less.
Bill Hill wrote:
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30) From: Angelo
You can replace the gears of the stovetop roaster with the Stirchef 
(check out Google and ebay)...
A
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31) From: Kris Bhatti
OK, I admit, I thought maybe I was smarter than the rest of you who had trouble with cheap heatguns.  After all, my first orange gun lasted 9 months, so I must be a superior heat gun user, right?  For a replacement,  I thought I'd move up a bit and got the $24 Wagner from Lowes - no luck there, it didn't get hot enough.  Next I picked up another orange gun and it worked fantastic.  Only problem is, it would not turn back on again after the one roast it did so well.  I just ordered the Milwaukee 8986-20 from Ebay - please wish me luck!  I won't doubt the collective wisdom of the list next time.  Now I just have to return those other two guns to Lowe's and Harbor Freight...
Kris
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From: Jim Gundlach 
To: homeroast
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 4:33:12 PM
Subject: Re: +was(no subject)==Heatgun help
PJ,
        I have the Milwaukee 8986-20  I got mine for about $90 on  
ebay.  Same seller still has the same offer out.  Five year warranty  
and it is not too heavy.
     pecan jim
On Dec 10, 2007, at 5:45 PM, PJ wrote:
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