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Topic: Fires in Behmor Was -Behmor profiles for... (24 msgs / 1228 lines)
1) From: Brett Mason
Whimpy Tree Frogs, or whatever was meant by "WTF" has no place in this
conversation.
We get it.  Frankly, that's pretty good observation - "Cool" won't cool in
case of fire, but in a panic might cause some to go there.  Thanks...
On the other hand, this roaster does roasting - and you could cause a fire.
Good to read the instructions once more, and mentally walk through it.  This
is like barbeque - it uses a lot of heat - be careful....
Like my barbeque, you too can flame the turkey (I did a couple months ago),
and yu too can light beans on fire - I have done so a couple times.
At this point, don't blame the Behmor - and the manual did cover the issue.
We need "MoveOn" dot Org to move us along now...
Brett
On Dec 13, 2007 5:23 PM, Jeff Anderson  wrote:
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2) From: Cameron Forde
Ed,
I think you are right about coffee burning differently.  I seem to
recall that there was a company that was turning spent ground coffee
into fire logs and that the spent grounds do burn hotter than wood.  I
just googled "coffee fire logs" and it looks like they are still in
business and they claim that the spent grounds contain 25% more energy
(among other claims).
Cameron
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3) From: raymanowen
Not like the toaster, washing machine or clothes dryer that are intended to
stop at the end of a successful cycle.
Coffee beans and "roast" are not standardized as a slice of bread or
clothing. For a real washing disappointment, try to wash and dry two
king-size comforters at once in the home laundry.
To avoid having an irritation become a disaster, keep attention on the
roasting device in operation and reread Tom's commentary on taking a large
roast near the French carbon level and cooling it without having first
summoned the Fire Department. [You Will have fire...]
The banter on this list should dissuade any who want to treat any of the
equipment that can be purchased as a mere push button box.
Soon enough, Big Brother will step in and protect us from ourselves...
Cheers, Mabuhay -RayO, aka Opa!
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4) From: Rich
Hey Ray, ever burn the toast?
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5) From: Edward Bourgeois
Coffee roasting safety needs to be taken seriously. I'm sure Ed N. can
remember hearing of many assorted types of fires from commercial
Roasters,one was just reported on Roasters Guild the other day. Many
home appliances with heating elements have been cut in wattage and
maximum temp. the unit can achieve. The poppers, the Turbo oven tops
were reduced many toaster ovens no longer can reach 500*,etc. I was
approached by a rep. of a corp. from Japan interested in a roaster for
1kg or less roasting to be used in high income homes. It was the
safety and maintenance  to ensure safety that made me decide to
decline the offer. I miss the money that could have been made but at
least I can sleep at night. I hope Joe's roaster never does cause more
than a little extra smoke. Ed B.
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6) From: Floyd Lozano
Thank you for the statistic, it's enlightening.  Maybe a comparision to
other roast devices is in order, though I don't know we can construct one
based on anything beyond anecdotal evidence.  Is burning beans a possibility
in the other devices we commonly discuss here (hottops, gene cafe, even IR
or FR8+) and how often does that occur?  I know it's a possibility in the RK
drum, but mainly because we start with a lot of fire right out of the gate
=)
-F
ps as for my feelings on the Behmor 1600, the customer service rocks, the
device still makes smoke, but probably because i love my high chaff coffees
and have 0 venting in my crappy kitchen, it's affordable, i have better
choices in my batch size than i had with the freshroast, i can roast inside
during today's blizzard in Boston and my coffee comes out tasty.  I'd buy it
again.
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7) From: Bill Hill
I've used a FR8+, and gotten my beans utterly utterly charcoal.  To
the point that they powder upon the slightest pressure.  I was talking
to a friend in the kitchen and forgot to watch the roaster closer!  by
the time I went to "cool" the amount of smoke blossoming from the
roaster was unbelievable!!!
And I roast at elevation (6000 ft.), which means that most of my FR8+
roasts were over in 3 minutes... Plenty of time on an 8 minute timer
to turn the roast into flames!
So while I've never had a bean fire in an FR8+, I definitely think
it's a possibility.  There's a customer review for the FR8+ on Amazon
who had the entire unit turn into a torch a bit after the warranty
expired.... which would be really bad!!!
Peace!
Bill
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8) From: Floyd Lozano
I got a mini shop vac (15-20 bucks at target, think i picked up 2 for 14
each) and it works great.  it's a little bigger than a gallon of milk (maybe
a gallon and a half).  They work well for vacuuming out your grinders too
with the corner nozzle thingie.  Noisy as aitch eee double hockeysticks
though.  I recommend!
-F
On Dec 14, 2007 1:20 AM, Ken Schillinger  wrote:
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9) From: Brentley Beerline
We use a dustbuster on the behmor after every load.  works great.
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From: Floyd Lozano 
To: homeroast
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 7:18:42 AM
Subject: Re: +Fires in Behmor Was -Behmor profiles for...
I got a mini shop vac (15-20 bucks at target, think i picked up 2 for 14 each) and it works great.  it's a little bigger than a gallon of milk (maybe a gallon and a half).  They work well for vacuuming out your grinders too with the corner nozzle thingie.  Noisy as aitch eee double hockeysticks though.  I recommend! 
 
-F
On Dec 14, 2007 1:20 AM, Ken Schillinger  wrote:
I have and use  my Behmor in my shop, which is in an outbuilding. I keep a
vacuum cleaner stationed at the location where I roast. It makes it so quick 
and easy to keep the machine clean.
Ken.
Who is planning on giving my one daughter and son in law as well as my
sister in law coffee for Christmas.

10) From: Floyd Lozano
My simple remedy for the high chaff coffees is - roast less!  Keep it to 1/2
or 1/4 lb and you will probably get a little smoke but not fire.  It's
worked for me so far =)
-F
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11) From: Alchemist John
My remedy is even simpler for high chaff coffees.  Let it burn.  THAT 
kind of fire is VERY low energy and goes out in less than a 
minute.  To the novice non-geek roaster, it may be a bit frightening, 
but it really isn't a problem.  People seem to get all bend out of 
shape by "chaff fires" from hearing about big roaster getting 
them.  There it is a problem, but not on the scale we work at.  I 
know this thread isn't really about chaff fires, but it came up so I 
thought I would toss this in there.
On that note, Eric, if it went out quickly and did not damage to the 
roaster, why would you go back to the IR2?  You prove the point - it 
went out quickly and was not a problem.  Why "fix" something if there 
is no problem?
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12) From: Brett Mason
Jeff's original post doesn't cause me concern regarding fire, but it
does elevate a concern in drums per se - there isn't really a good
chaff collection mechanism in my drum, or in any of the BBQ drums that
I am aware of...  Anybody have any ideas on how chaff collection might
be implemented in a drum?
THx,
Brett
On 12/14/07, Sandra Andina  wrote:
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13) From: Brett Mason
My question of chaff in the drum arises from the "solid" nature of my
drum - I get finely roasted chaff in with my finely roasted coffee -
  Thus
Anyone with an idea on chaff collection?
B
On 12/14/07, Jeff Anderson  wrote:
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14) From: Alchemist John
Yes actually.  My Zen II roaster has a very nice one.  I heat from 
the back and top.  On the bottom is a removable tray with 45 degree 
angled pieces of metal.  What is created is a cool protected zone for 
the chaff to fall into.  In that it is protected the chaff doesn't 
blow around and doesn't burn.  A side view would be something like this:
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15) From: Homeroaster
The oils in coffee beans burn like rocket fuel and smoke like crazy.
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Ed Needham
"to absurdity and beyond!"http://www.homeroaster.com*********************

16) From: Brett Mason
One benefit of coffee oil propulsion, Ed, is the visibility as a new
"Bugiso-Powered" Saturn XX bolts toward Mars, while the homeroast
community cheers...
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17) From: peterz
Brett,
How does your coffee taste?
Do you notice much difference between roasting in your drum and a hot 
air fluid bed roaster?
There are mixed opinions here as to whether the smoke makes a difference 
in taste.
Do you get the blueberry tastes and other fruit tastes that others get?
I never do.
Neither with my Highly modified Poppery I nor my PGR which recirculates 
smoke and hot air.
Lately I have been trying to compare roasts made with a wonderfully 
modified Poppery thanks to Doug Strait, and my PGR with Watt control. 
Could not tell a difference.
Since the smoke discussion I have been cracking the lid on my PGR to let 
out most of the smoke, but I could not tell a difference.
Quite frankly, my roasts have much improved by cutting the power back on 
my PGR  to 1100W when the temperature of the beans reaches 350 F then 
cutting back to 950W when first crack is reached.
Still crack the lid at first crack to help control temp and let the 
smoke out. (Thanks for you input Ken, and every one else who commented.)
The results taste better to me and C anyway.
This procedure has resulted in my best roasts ever :)
Some of the chaff burns in my PGR, but most escapes into the wilderness.
Bottom line, if you like what you are roasting, and are thrilled with 
the results, what does a little burning chaff really matter?
IMO, the beans are so busy outgassing, that they cannot be bothered 
with, and are too busy to, absorb a bit of extra smoke that may be around.
PeterZ
Putting on a jacket to go out and roast for the Christmas party, here in 
LHC.
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18) From: Brett Mason
Hi Peter,
My coffee tastes good, somewhat "rounded", meaning a little flat at
times.  Dave Kvindlog was really helpful to me in showing how to roast
even lighter than what I had tried, but with some precision, and
amazingly many of the flavors started to emerge as Tom had
described...
My popper is a Poppery II, soup can extension, and no other mods.This
leaves a bright coffee, but not a lot in the development of the nuance
flavors...
My drum roasts have good flavor development, such as blueberry or
Orange, but I get a lot of smoke from the chaff, and the 20-30 beans
that jump from a 3lb roast and make a fire...  I need to develop some
welding skills or outside contacts, and make a better drum.  I seem to
live with what Jeff found in the defective drum he had...
I recently bought a Sweet Maria's digital thermometer, and my control
is improving.  I am thinking about the thermometer mod mentioned
earlier, but have some other ideas I want to try myself too...
I do like my coffee, so all is well at the end of my current process...
Best regards to the Lake People, especially those in LHC....
Brett
On 12/14/07, peterz  wrote:
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19) From: David Martin
Here's another FR8 anecdote. My first experience with the FR8 (which
also happened to be my first roasting experience ever) involved a near
fire. I put the beans in, set the timer for 6 minutes, and watched as
the beans sat there and began to scorch. I could see the burn line
steadily rise up from the bottom. They started to smoke profusely, at
which point I accepted the reality of what was happening, and turned
off the machine. My theory is that the it got too hot too quickly,
somehow due the machine not being "broken in", thus causing the beans
to scorch before they started agitating, and once they started to
burn, they stuck to each other, thus preventing agitation from taking
place.
My second attempt was successful, and I've done hundreds of successful
roasts since then. I've never had this happen again, although there
was one time when I left the machine unattended (stupid, I know) and
wound up with an undrinkable "Spanish+" roast.
-Dave
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20) From: John Despres
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
I have a bit of chaff left in/on the beans after completion and today 
came up with an idea of how to collect it. I roast in the basement with 
an exhaust fan in a Gene Cafe and for even smaller batches a FR8+. I've 
been simply rolling the beans around a colander and letting the chaff 
fall. This is messy and with a bit of static electricity, tough to clean 
up. My idea is to build a colander with a conical base that attaches to 
a small shop vac. I've been meaning to buy one exclusively for my 
roasting station to clean out my roasters and work area. The big orange 
store has lots of adapters so building this shouldn't be too difficult. 
Anyway, the idea is to have this funnel that seals at the underside of 
the lip of the colander with a vacuum hose attached to the bottom 
sucking the chaff through the holes and collecting it at the same time. 
Might even help with the final cooling. I think there are large 
automotive funnels for collecting oil so all I need to do match a 
colander to a funnel - the rest should be easy.
Thoughts, anyone?
John
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21) From: Robert Yoder
John, 
 
I found a stiff cardboard box, taped all seams with duct tape, cut a circle=
 to fit the bottom of a colander on one clear side, then cut a hole for the=
 suction end of my shop vac in one side of the box.  Cools the beans in an =
instant!
 
robert yoder
From: john: homeroast=
ect: Re: +Fires in Behmor Was -Behmor profiles for...Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007=
 17:44:03 -0500
I have a bit of chaff left in/on the beans after completion and today came =
up with an idea of how to collect it. I roast in the basement with an exhau=
st fan in a Gene Cafe and for even smaller batches a FR8+. I've been simply=
 rolling the beans around a colander and letting the chaff fall. This is me=
ssy and with a bit of static electricity, tough to clean up. My idea is to =
build a colander with a conical base that attaches to a small shop vac. I'v=
e been meaning to buy one exclusively for my roasting station to clean out =
my roasters and work area. The big orange store has lots of adapters so bui=
lding this shouldn't be too difficult. Anyway, the idea is to have this fun=
nel that seals at the underside of the lip of the colander with a vacuum ho=
se attached to the bottom sucking the chaff through the holes and collectin=
g it at the same time. Might even help with the final cooling. I think ther=
e are large automotive funnels for collecting oil so all I need to do match=
 a colander to a funnel - the rest should be easy.Thoughts, anyone?JohnBret=
t Mason wrote:
Jeff's original post doesn't cause me concern regarding fire, but it
does elevate a concern in drums per se - there isn't really a good
chaff collection mechanism in my drum, or in any of the BBQ drums that
I am aware of...  Anybody have any ideas on how chaff collection might
be implemented in a drum?
THx,
Brett
On 12/14/07, Sandra Andina  wrote:
  
Run a cool cycle or two and brush out the machine's interior BEFORE you
roast any small or irregularly sized beans so that anything that's going to
fall out and burn falls out and can be dumped before it gets a chance to
burn. Save those beans and fragments for an open method like wok or heatgun=
.
Sandy
On Dec 13, 2007, at 2:08 PM, Rich wrote:
I don't think you can burn anything down with a Bemor fire except the
electronics INSIDE the Behmor.  I would suggest that you carefully re read
the posts you are basing your incorrect assumptions on.  Your panic peddlin=
g
will insure that there will be no further discussion of over roasted coffee
on this list.
Homeroaster wrote:
I'd be a bit worried if I were Joe Behm.  All these reports of fire
happening in a machine that specifically says not to use it outdoors.  Man,
if someone burns his house down with one of these things...it will be a bad
day for the Behmor.  It's not such a big deal to have a small fire, or even
a large fire in a grill roaster, outdoors, but an indoor roaster, with a
fire is scary.   I don't care whether the machine shuts off and contains th=
e
fire or not, it's scary when unexpected fire is in a home.  How many, even
on this list in the few weeks since this thing has been released have had
fires already?  Several.  Not a good sign.

22) From: Rich
But does it remove the rest of the chaff?  That was/is the question...
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23) From: Sean Cary
yeah use a 5 gal shop bucket...
The "beanie vac" has been around for awhile.  I roast in the garage
and have pail with a hole cut out that matches a SS bowl that I got at
K-mart for 3-4$..  I drilled a number of holes in the bottom.  The
bottom of the shop vac has a hole just as big as the hose for my shop
vac, drop the beans into the bowl, drop the bowl into the bucket and
fire up the shop vac...less then a minute or two to cool.
Does not take off all the chaff, but if I stir them it seems to get most of it.
Sean
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I find that the longer and gentler profiles of drum roasting result in  
complex but more muted flavor profiles--not a bad thing, as individual  
flavor components don't predominate an jump out and bonk you on the  
head but rather let you enjoy the interplay among flavors. Freshness  
seems longer-lived, too. There is smoke in both methods, but better- 
controlled in drum-roasting.
Sandy
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I find that the longer and =
gentler profiles of drum roasting result in complex but more muted =
flavor profiles--not a bad thing, as individual flavor components don't =
predominate an jump out and bonk you on the head but rather let you =
enjoy the interplay among flavors. Freshness seems longer-lived, too. =
There is smoke in both methods, but better-controlled in =
drum-roasting.Sandy
On Dec 14, 2007, at 12:35 PM, =
peterz wrote:
Brett, How does your coffee taste? Do you notice = much difference between roasting in your drum and a hot air fluid bed = roaster? There are mixed opinions here as to whether the smoke makes = a difference in taste. Do you get the blueberry tastes and other = fruit tastes that others get? I never do. Neither with my Highly = modified Poppery I nor my PGR which recirculates smoke and hot = air. Lately I have been trying to compare roasts made with a = wonderfully modified Poppery thanks to Doug Strait, and my PGR with Watt = control. Could not tell a difference. Since the smoke discussion I = have been cracking the lid on my PGR to let out most of the smoke, but I = could not tell a difference. Quite frankly, my roasts have much = improved by cutting the power back on my PGR  to 1100W when the = temperature of the beans reaches 350 F then cutting back to 950W when = first crack is reached. Still crack the lid at first crack to help = control temp and let the smoke out. (Thanks for you input Ken, and every = one else who commented.) The results taste better to me and C = anyway. This procedure has resulted in my best roasts ever = :) Some of the chaff burns in my PGR, but most escapes into the = wilderness. Bottom line, if you like what you are roasting, and are = thrilled with the results, what does a little burning chaff really = matter? IMO, the beans are so busy outgassing, that they cannot be = bothered with, and are too busy to, absorb a bit of extra smoke that may = be around. PeterZ Putting on a jacket to go out and roast for = the Christmas party, here in LHC. Brett Mason = wrote: My question of chaff in the drum = arises from the "solid" nature of my drum - I get finely roasted chaff in with my finely = roasted coffee - =  Thus Anyone with an = idea on chaff collection? B On 12/14/07, = Jeff Anderson <jeff221> = wrote: =   "Jeff's original post doesn't cause me concern regarding = fire..." Nor should it, and I thank you for pointing = that out, Brett. I said specifically = that my experience demonstrates to me that there is little = reason to be concerned about fire as long as you follow = the guidelines in the manual: =     "Left =   unattended I hate = to =     think what could happen very quickly if just a = quarter =   pound caught = fire. =     But as long as you attend the roast, especially near = the =   end, and in case = of =     fire respond appropriately (power down and unplug = the =   unit), there = appears =     to be little danger, even of damaging the roaster. = That =   impressed me. A = lot =     of thought and excellent engineering went into = the =   design." =     Since posting = that it's been pointed out that the roaster = is =   designed to shut itself off in case of fire even if you're = not around. =     Does =   any other roaster in it's price range do that, say for = instance the IR2 or Fresh = Roast? =     Regarding = burning chaff, it looks to me like Alchemist = John =   hit the nail on the = head. =     Jeff =   =     From: Jeff Anderson <jeff221> To: =   homeroast= s.com =     Sent: = Wednesday, December 12, 2007 5:47:27   PM =     Subject: Re: = +Behmor profiles for Tree Dried Natural?? Marty... It =   happened with my very first roast. There was a = manufacturing defect in =     the =   drum which allowed a small pile of beans to build up on = one side. When =     they =   caught fire they looked like a charcoal briquette burning. = There were =     no =   flames, but obviously very hot. I hit the cool button and = a huge amount =     of =   smoke appeared. I turned it off (hit the power button) and = the fire went =     out =   almost immediately. I contacted Joe, and he assured me the = roaster is =     OK. He =   told me to do a cleaning cycle and I'd be good to go. I've = done a =     dozen or =   so roasts since with no problems whatsoever. I'm not a = very =     technical =   person, but in very basic terms I think there is a very = effective =     fail safe =   system which protects the electrical components from = damage, =     provided you =   respond quickly. =     The many = cautions about letting the roasts go too far   are very = appropriate. =     Beans make a VERY hot fire. In this case there was = a =   very small amount, = half =     a handful at most (and a small hand at that). = Left =   unattended I hate = to =     think what could happen very quickly if just a = quarter =   pound caught = fire. =     But as long as you attend the roast, especially near = the =   end, and in case = of =     fire respond appropriately (power down and unplug = the =   unit), there = appears =     to be little danger, even of damaging the roaster. = That =   impressed me. A = lot =     of thought and excellent engineering went into = the =   design. =     Jeff Marty Wooten = wrote: Jeff Thank you for = sharing =   your experience. Have you tried another roast = since =     the fire, turning off   and unplugging? If so, did = everything work well? =     Not that I hope = to repeat =   your experience, but knowing too well it is = all =     possible =   ;o) =     Marty   homeroast =     mailing =   list =     http://li=sts.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast   To =     change your personal list settings (digest options, = vacations, =   unsvbscribes) =     go =   to =     http://=sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings homeroast   mailing list =     http://li=sts.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast To =   change your personal list settings (digest options, = vacations, =     unsvbscribes) =   go to =     http://=sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings homeroast   mailing list =     http://li=sts.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast To =   change your personal list settings (digest options, = vacations, =     unsvbscribes) =   go to =     http://=sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings Sandy =   Andina =     www.myspace.com/sandyandina =   =   = homeroast mailing = list http://li=sts.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast = To change your personal list settings (digest options, = vacations, unsvbscribes) go = to http://=sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings =     =   = homeroast mailing list http://li=sts.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast To change your = personal list settings (digest options, vacations, unsvbscribes) go to =http://sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings= Sandy Andinawww.myspace.com/sandyandina = --Apple-Mail-23-516967793--


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