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Topic: Proper measures for the Aeropress? (21 msgs / 379 lines)
1) From: Sean Sweet
I read about the AP under the subject line of 'poor man's Clover' here
earlier this week and went out and bought one.
After 2 or 3 days' use, I can see myself one day getting to the point where
it replaces my Bodum French press, but cannot, yet, get onboard the 'my $500
espresso machine is gathering dust' bandwagon.  It is smooth, as Americano
style cups should be, but I am still missing the oils or edge that you get
from a press, especially with the subtlety spicy Latin American beans I
roast in my iR2.
My biggest surprise/disappointment to date is the amount of coffee I have to
use in the AP, roughly double what I use in the press.  I've seen a variety
of comments here and in the archives about measures, but usually referencing
gram weights, and I do not have a scale.  Can anyone offer tips using the
measure supplied with the Aeropress (whole bean or post-grinder) related to
the number of cups (standard mugs or number of fluid ounces)?  I appreciate
any thoughts, here.  I suspect I am on to a great cup, but would prefer to
dispense with the weeks of tweaking beans to water ratios if at all
possible.
Cheers,
Sean
Vancouver

2) From: kevin creason
I love my AP. it has replaced my press except for entertaining, but
not my espresso machine.
I use one rounded scoop of medium to course grind for a larH
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-Kevin
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3) From: kevin creason
stupid phone.
I use one rounded scoop for a regular to slightly oversize mug.
I use more than one plunger full of water-- a plunger full plus additional
water up to the markers, so not a lot of extra water.
I pour in half the first plunger set of water, swirl, pour, swirl, pour,
swirl, plunge.
Comes out great-- cleaner than press and just as flavorful I think.
But I am eager to read others methods. I've read the inverted method and
that got to doing more swirling and delaying the plunging a little, but
that's all.
-Kevin (using real browser this time, not phone at stop lights)
On Dec 14, 2007 7:40 PM, kevin creason  wrote:
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4) From: Gary Taylor
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Alan recommends 1 level AP scoop for each 5 ounces of finished americano =
brew.
For one level AP scoop, Alan says 12 grams.  I use two slightly rounded =
scoops to measure 1 oz.

5) From: Brian Kamnetz
I seem to recall hearing that Aeropress instructions are to brew at a
fairly cool temp, around 180. Do people who brew at more usual temps,
e.g. 200 degrees, use a grounds/water ratio that is more similar to
the common 1 - 1.5 gram coffee to 1 ounce water?
Brian
On Dec 15, 2007 12:44 PM, Gary Taylor  wrote:
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6) From: Dave
I just weighed out a nearly level scoop of whole beans at 14 grams.
I brew at just off boil:
bring the kettle to a boil,
take it off the heat,
swirl the kettle 10 seconds or so,
then pour into the AP.
I use a pretty normal brewing method amount of coffee with 21 grams
for my 20 oz mug, not quite filled, or 21 grams for a slightly smaller
mug. For an "average" 8 - 10 oz mug, I use about  14 grams of coffee.
I use a "fine" (Rocky at about +22) grind, since the brew time is
short. I was grinding a little finer (+17), but found it was often
getting a little over-extracted. ""Zero point" on my Rocky is 3, so
actual number reading is 25, was 20.
No my coffee isn't "weak". I don't like colored water;-)
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Dave
Some days...
It's just not worth chewing through the leather straps
On Dec 15, 2007 10:10 AM, Brian Kamnetz  wrote:
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7) From: kevin creason
The office water cooler/heater makes 186/F, and it is great in AP.
Also did good in press.
On Dec 15, 2007 12:10 PM, Brian Kamnetz  wrote:
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8) From: Darliene Stanhope
I usually have my water just off boil.  My water kettle shuts off 10 seconds
after full boil is reached, I wait another 15 seconds prior to pouring the
water into the AP.  I usually stir the mix for about 12 seconds then extract
it into my cup.  I use 21 to 26 grams of coffee beans for a 12 ounce cup of
coffee depending on my mood and the coffee I am drinking.
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9) From: Mejia, Carlos
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So for those of you who drink 12 oz cups or larger, how do you brew in
the AP?  Do you just fill the AP with water, stir, press and then add
more water to the 'concentrated' coffee?   Or do you let the water drip
through without pressing and top it off till you've used a measured
amount of water?  ~carlos

10) From: raymanowen
Darliene Sez:
"I use 21 to 26 grams of coffee beans for a 12 ounce cup of coffee depending
on my mood..."
I *Like* it! The Steinway (18oz stein) gets 24 - 30g: the mood rules!
Cheers, Mabuhay -RayO, aka Opa!
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11) From: Dave
Press it through, and add water, in the spirit of an americano.
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Dave
Some days...
It's just not worth chewing through the leather straps
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12) From: Brian Kamnetz
Darlene,
21-26 grams per 12 oz cup is about what I use with my moka pot, which
makes very strong, rich coffee. As long as the AP made very strong
coffee, I would be happy using these proportions.
Brian
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13) From: Darliene Stanhope
Brian,
I like very strong coffee and I have had no complaints with the AP.   I use
it or my French Press to make coffee, I don't own a drip machine.  I even
have a second AP at work so I don't have to drink the stuff that comes out
of their drip machine.
Darliene
On Dec 16, 2007 9:20 AM, Brian Kamnetz  wrote:
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14) From: Frank Awbrey
Carlos, I grind (I like a coarser grind) two scoops of beans, pour into the
AP, then fill it with water (remember that it will bubble/foam over because
of the fresh beans, so, actually only pour in maybe a half+ chamber of
water), stir about 10 seconds, add just a little more water, then press.
After I press, I add water anywhere from the "2" on the plunger to the "4".
It probably makes anywhere from 10 to 14 ounces of coffee. If you let the
water just "drip" through, I think you would probably get an over
extraction.
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15) From: Brian Kamnetz
Frank
Are you saying that you press twice (Add coffee, add water, press; add
water, press)?
Thanks,
Brian
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16) From: Frank Awbrey
Sorry, to be confusing, Brian. No, I do not press twice. I first add the
coffee to an empty chamber, then add water, stir, add a touch more water and
stir again real quick, then press. After pressing and removing/rinsing the
grounds off the end of the plunger, I remove it from the chamber and then
add water to the "2" to the "4" mark and pour it into my cup of
pressed/strong cup. I try not to let the water stay in contact with the
coffee too long. It is probably less than or close to a minute from the time
that I first pour in the water until I end the press. But, I do taste the
pressed coffee before I pour in the rest of the water, just to see what it
tastes like (similar to an espresso, maybe?).
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Frank
"Still the one"

17) From: Brian Kamnetz
Frank,
Thanks for the clarification. I don't yet have an AP but all the
positive reviews have me interested and I'm wondering how they work.
I'm getting a better mental picture. Thanks for your help.
Your description sounds quite a lot like the way many people use the
moka pot, which is to say, brew coffee that is quite strong, then
dilute to taste.
Brian
On Dec 16, 2007 3:11 PM, Frank Awbrey  wrote:
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18) From: Justin Marquez
If you treat the A/P like a french press, using the A/P inverted, you can go
back to your usual coffee usage again.  The brew is closer to the FP ,too,
only cleaner in the cup. I use it both ways and enjoy them both.
When brewing regular A/P, I use 1.5 scoops of their included scooper
(pre-grind) for a mug of 10-11 ounces. And I ignore completely their "fill"
lines for the water. I just pour in as much hot water as will fit. Same
water treatment used for inverted, too, just with less coffee. For inverted
I go back to about 2 Tablespoons (an infamous "blue scoop" or 1/8 cup) for a
mug.
Safe Journeys and Sweet Music
Justin Marquez (CYPRESS, TX)
On Dec 14, 2007 6:24 PM, Sean Sweet  wrote:
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19) From: Sandra Andina
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I use two scoops of beans (regardless of weight) and use all the  
grinds. I prefer a large 12-oz. ceramic mug, so I fill the inner  
cylinder to the middle of the "2" oval and then dilute to within 1/2"  
from the top of the mug,
Sandy
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I use two scoops of beans =
(regardless of weight) and use all the grinds. I prefer a large 12-oz. =
ceramic mug, so I fill the inner cylinder to the middle of the "2" oval =
and then dilute to within 1/2" from the top of the mug,
Sandy On Dec = 14, 2007, at 6:24 PM, Sean Sweet wrote:
  My biggest surprise/disappointment to date = is the amount of coffee I have to use in the AP, roughly double what I = use in the press....  Can anyone offer tips using the measure = supplied with the Aeropress (whole bean or post-grinder) related to the = number of cups (standard mugs or number of fluid ounces)?  I = appreciate any thoughts, here.  I suspect I am on to a great cup, = but would prefer to dispense with the weeks of tweaking beans to water = ratios if at all possible.
= --Apple-Mail-27-520267642--

20) From: Frank Awbrey
Brian, it does make a pretty smooth cup of coffee. I have also tried the
inverted method and the synthetic filters. Both of the other methods make
pretty good coffee, too, maybe even better, but, as far as I am concerned, I
went back to the regular methods/filter, probably because of the ease of
use.
Good luck and enjoy.
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Frank
"Still the one"

21) From: Sean Sweet
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Thanks Sandy - much appreciated.
Based on what otheres have commented (I saw 1 AP scoop = ~14 grams), your 2
scoops to a 12 oz mug puts you at or near the top of the list, here, of who
likes their coffee strong!  Rock on!
Cheers,
S


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