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Topic: First machine...possibly a used silvia..question (29 msgs / 972 lines)
1) From: Ron Feroni
Thinking of getting my first espresso machine and it happens to be a silvia=
.  Found a decent deal(I think) on one with the Watlow PID.  I sent the guy=
 an email asking how often/if ever it's been cleaned and his response was t=
hat he cleans the grouphead/portafilter after every shot and descales twice=
 a year.  Said he has extremely hard water and only uses distilled-deionize=
d water so scale shouldn't be a problem.  
 
I think it's about 5 years old also.  $600 shipped.  Sound good?
 
Thanks,
ron  
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2) From: Brett Mason
Not a deal - sounds very pricey....
Recheck your prices....  Start at Sweet Marias.com
Brett
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3) From: miKe mcKoffee
Just a so-so deal. Would be 25% off a brand new Missy with PID installed and
warranty $800 inc shipping. OTOH Silvia notoriously has a good resale value.
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	Thinking of getting my first espresso machine and it happens to be a
silvia.  Found a decent deal(I think) on one with the Watlow PID.  I sent
the guy an email asking how often/if ever it's been cleaned and his response
was that he cleans the grouphead/portafilter after every shot and descales
twice a year.  Said he has extremely hard water and only uses
distilled-deionized water so scale shouldn't be a problem.  
	 
	I think it's about 5 years old also.  $600 shipped.  Sound good?
	 
	Thanks,
	ron

4) From: Ron Feroni
remember it has the pid on it, and shipping is around $70.  That PID is $28=
5 alone.
 
I'm more interested in knowing if descaling only twice a year is ok.  I kno=
w it depends on use, but as I said I have no knowledge of espresso machines=
.  FWIW, a new silvia with that PID on it is $900.
 
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t: Re: +First machine...possibly a used silvia..question> Date: Fri, 4 Jan =
2008 21:44:38 -0600> > Not a deal - sounds very pricey....> > Recheck your =
prices.... Start at Sweet Marias.com> > Brett> > On Jan 4, 2008 9:25 PM, Ro=
n Feroni  wrote:> >> > Thinking of getting my first es=
presso machine and it happens to be a> > silvia. Found a decent deal(I thin=
k) on one with the Watlow PID. I sent> > the guy an email asking how often/=
if ever it's been cleaned and his response> > was that he cleans the grouph=
ead/portafilter after every shot and descales> > twice a year. Said he has =
extremely hard water and only uses> > distilled-deionized water so scale sh=
ouldn't be a problem.> >> > I think it's about 5 years old also. $600 shipp=
ed. Sound good?> >> > Thanks,> > ron> >> >> >> >=> > Subject: Re: +It's Caucus Day in Iowa/ Wyoming> > From: treshell@=
gmail.com> > To: homeroast> > Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 2=
0:15:54 -0700> >> >> > >What is the Democrat party doing to select delegate=
s? Smoke filled room or> > dart board?> > >Neither--they're busing folks in=
 from Chicago cemeteries.> >> >> > And you folks thought I was kidding the =
other day. In this state a lot of> > the offices only run Republicans. The =
first year I was here and went and> > listened to the democrat running for =
senator. She talked on and on about> > what we should be doing after the Re=
publican won. I asked why and she said> > she couldn't win they just needed=
 a person on the ballot. That was 7 years> > ago! I started out as a reg de=
mocrat and found I couldn't vote on most> > things so had to change to Repu=
blican. As far as I have been able to find> > out there is nothing for Demo=
crats. I couldn't go if there was as I am> >> > As for the cemeteries if yo=
u go back in our state history you will find a> > lot of the folks that got=
 most of the property had been dead for years, some> > not even in the USA.=
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5) From: miKe mcKoffee
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New not $900 with PID installed, but $789 plus $11 shipping any day of the
week. Not from a fly by night, but an authorized Rancilio dealer/service
center who's recommended by a major commercial/home espresso equipment
vendor with a stellar reputation for those looking for PID'd Silvia.
 
Whether bi-annual descaling is adequate, depends. Likely yes.
 
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[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Ron Feroni
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 5:00 AM
To: homeroast
Subject: RE: +First machine...possibly a used silvia..question
remember it has the pid on it, and shipping is around $70.  That PID is $285
alone.
 
I'm more interested in knowing if descaling only twice a year is ok.  I know
it depends on use, but as I said I have no knowledge of espresso machines.
FWIW, a new silvia with that PID on it is $900.
 
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6) From: Sean Cary
I will be looking for a Silvia NEXT MONTH...spending some of my tax free
earnings when I get home NEXT MONTH (I still love typing that)...
I had kind of figured to get one w/o a PID to learn how to use it and then
maybe PID it later...  Should I look for a PID'd one or go with my first
thought...
Sean
home NEXT MONTH!!
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7) From: Barry Luterman
When I started getting into espresso I bought a Silvia. Not having a PID I
learned to temp surf and in general improve my abilities. When everything
goes right Missy really delivers. When I got good at it temp surfing became
a drag and I PID'd. Not too expensive and for a guy with my limited
abilities not too traumatic. The difference was amazing and I wondered why =
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8) From: Les
My only adivce is if you are going to do any steamed milk drinks, I would
wait and get a good HX machine or a double boiler.  The Silvia is a pain
when you want to steam.
Les
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9) From: Sean Cary
What is a good entry level HX machine?
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10) From: Brett Mason
My Nuovo Simonelli Oscar certainly is a good entry level HX machine...
Brett
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11) From: Terry Stockdale
I think that's a bit of overstatement - it's not 
a pain, but you do have to wait for the unit to 
get to steam temp   That's the advantage of a HX 
or two-boiler model.  On the other hand, the HX 
has it's own issues - call it learned technique, 
experience or whatever, it's back to 
temperature-surfing like a non-PID'ed Silvia.
For steaming, the big advantage of a PID is that 
you can see the current temperature, so you've 
got an indirect indication of the steam 
pressure.  I start steaming at 290 deg.F., while 
my normal boiler temperature (thermocouple 
mounted on top of boiler under a thermostat hold-down screw) is 232.0 deg.F.
I'm currently considering upgrading from my 
PID'ed Silvia to a HX or two-boiler model, but 
haven't made up my mind to take the plunge.  I'm 
waffling between the Andreja Premium (HX, E61), 
the Brewtus II (two boiler, E61), and the La 
Spaziale Vivaldi II (two boiler, semi-auto).
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12) From: Les
Sean I think the Expobar is a good entry machine.
I like my Expobar.  You can get a basic HX  l for less than $800.00
Les

13) From: miKe mcKoffee
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Agree Expobar's cabable for pulling good shots. However the entry level
Pulser is rather 'butt ugly' to me though yes the cheapest HX machine
available:-) There's also the Bezzera BZ02S currently $854.10 after
NewYear2008 coupon. Not sure I'd go there though with recent Livia issues.
If I was shopping for an HX on a budget I'd definitely consider the Isomac
Tea II. IMO something I'd much rather see on my counter day after day, I
believe better built and I also believe from a supplier with a better
service track record.  But yes Tea II does cost more, currently $1052.10
after NewYear2008 coupon. Falling $ against the Euro killing prices in the
US!
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From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Les
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 9:28 PM
To: homeroast
Subject: Re: +First machine...possibly a used silvia..question
Sean I think the Expobar is a good entry machine.
I like my Expobar.  You can get a basic HX  l for less than $800.00
 
Les

14) From: Loyd Blankenship
I'll second the comment -- if you want to do a lot of steaming, get
something else other than the Silvia. Next Xmas, I'm going to push for
a double-boiler machine, maybe a Brewtus 2.
Loyd
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15) From: Barry Luterman
If you are wiling to go 1052 for a HX for only 300 more you can get a double
boiler Brewtus.  The Tea still needs the upgrade of the thermometer. The
Brewtus is complete.
On Jan 5, 2008 10:32 PM, miKe mcKoffee  wrote:
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16) From: miKe mcKoffee
True enough if adding the not mandatory but makes HX temp management easier
digital thermometer adds ~$90 so making the Tea II closer to $1150 versus
Brewtus II $1529.
 
Whether the Brewtus is "complete" or not depends on point of view.
Personally I'd never own a pour over main machine after float valve
auto-fill mod'ing Silvia long ago. (Travel vacation espresso machine doesn't
count:-) And vibe pumps sure are noisy compared to rotary! And personally
not thrilled with wide 1C temp steps so Brewtus would need PID mod. Then
there's giving the Brewtus better steam power with higher wattage steam
boiler heating element. Getting closer to complete:-)
Kona Kurmudgeon miKe mcKoffee
www.mcKonaKoffee.com
URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://www.mckoffee.com/Ultimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must
first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment
found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before.
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[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Barry Luterman
	Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 11:22 AM
	To: homeroast
	Subject: Re: +First machine...possibly a used silvia..question
	
	If you are wiling to go 1052 for a HX for only 300 more you can get
a double boiler Brewtus.  The Tea still needs the upgrade of the
thermometer. The Brewtus is complete.
	
	On Jan 5, 2008 10:32 PM, miKe mcKoffee  wrote:
	
		Agree Expobar's cabable for pulling good shots. However the
entry level Pulser is rather 'butt ugly' to me though yes the cheapest HX
machine available:-) There's also the Bezzera BZ02S currently $854.10 after
NewYear2008 coupon. Not sure I'd go there though with recent Livia issues.
If I was shopping for an HX on a budget I'd definitely consider the Isomac
Tea II. IMO something I'd much rather see on my counter day after day, I
believe better built and I also believe from a supplier with a better
service track record.  But yes Tea II does cost more, currently $1052.10
after NewYear2008 coupon. Falling $ against the Euro killing prices in the
US! 
		
		Kona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffee
	http://www.mcKonaKoffee.com  
		URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:
	http://www.mckoffee.com/		
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 ] On Behalf Of Les
			Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 9:28 PM
			To: homeroast 
			Subject: Re: +First machine...possibly a used
silvia..question
			
			Sean I think the Expobar is a good entry machine.
			I like my Expobar.  You can get a basic HX  l for
less than $800.00
			 
			Les

17) From: Barry Luterman
Brewtus II $1347.47 plus 40 shipping.http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?from0&_trksid=m37&satitle=brewtus&category0=
Brewtus can be plumbed in for about 40. I personally do not want to drill a
hole in my granite counter top. He has a large reservoir and you have the
option of not plumbing in if you don't want to. Some machines give you no
choice and have to be plumbed in. Brewtus also good for 15 amp circuit and
works with the circuit breakers needed in kitchens and around water(Cant
remember the 3 letter acronym). As far as needing a PID most people agree it
would be just gilding the Lily 1 degree of C is well enough in the tolerance
for a good espresso shot.
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18) From: miKe mcKoffee
True enough for a used/reconditioned/buyers remorse machine with 6 month
warranty via same dealer I quoted BII current their website sale price of
$1529 versus $1699 regular price. And that $1346.47 is beginning open
auction price not a Buy It Now price.  Price I stated was for new as was the
other pricing discussions. You can get a similar 6 month warrantied HX
Expobar Office Control starting auction price for $686.46 or Office Lever
for $772.37 or Silvia for $394.56 plus PID kit $145.95 = $540.51.  
 
Whether 1C temp steps is tight enough depends how picky someone is about
their espresso. Sure have been numerous Brewtus owners convert to PID over
the years! Gilding the Lily? There's "good" espresso versus striving for the
absolute best it can be. Almost 2f temp step too wide for me and many
others.
 
And for the record not saying the Brewtus is not a good very user friendly
which also equals high WAF home machine. Just saying "as is" I would not be
satisfied with a BII given the current path of my Journey. 
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[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Barry Luterman
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 1:02 PM
To: homeroast
Subject: Re: +First machine...possibly a used silvia..question
	Brewtus II $1347.47 plus 40 shipping.
	http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?from0&_trksid=m37&satitle=brewtus&category0=
	 
	Brewtus can be plumbed in for about 40. I personally do not want to
drill a hole in my granite counter top. He has a large reservoir and you
have the option of not plumbing in if you don't want to. Some machines give
you no choice and have to be plumbed in. Brewtus also good for 15 amp
circuit and works with the circuit breakers needed in kitchens and around
water(Cant remember the 3 letter acronym). As far as needing a PID most
people agree it would be just gilding the Lily 1 degree of C is well enough
in the tolerance for a good espresso shot.   
	
	On Jan 6, 2008 10:33 AM, miKe mcKoffee  wrote:
	
		True enough if adding the not mandatory but makes HX temp
management easier
		digital thermometer adds ~$90 so making the Tea II closer to
$1150 versus 
		Brewtus II $1529.
		
		Whether the Brewtus is "complete" or not depends on point of
view.
		Personally I'd never own a pour over main machine after
float valve
		auto-fill mod'ing Silvia long ago. (Travel vacation espresso
machine doesn't 
		count:-) And vibe pumps sure are noisy compared to rotary!
And personally
		not thrilled with wide 1C temp steps so Brewtus would need
PID mod. Then
		there's giving the Brewtus better steam power with higher
wattage steam 
		boiler heating element. Getting closer to complete:-)

19) From: Barry Luterman
That's how I got mine.Usually there is only the one bidder. As you remember
when we un-packed mine at your house it still had the protective sticky
paper protector on the Stainless Steel. I have it 2 years now and only had
to replace the p-stat. Incidentally, I did that myself. Remember I am the
guy who fixes a funny noise in my car by turning the car radio louder. The
Machine stays on 12 hrs per day 7 days a week.
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20) From: miKe mcKoffee
Barry,
Yes I well remember you got your Brewt via eBay. My point was you can't
compare eBay refurb to new price machines and say only $300 more. Refurbed
Brewt 1346.47, Reburb Office Control $686.46. Meaning "newish" Brewt $660.01
more than best known priced "newish" HX both same mfg with 6 month warranty,
almost twice the price. 
Kona Kurmudgeon miKe mcKoffee
www.mcKonaKoffee.com
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[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Barry Luterman
	Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 2:21 PM
	To: homeroast
	Subject: Re: +First machine...possibly a used silvia..question
	
	That's how I got mine.Usually there is only the one bidder. As you
remember when we un-packed mine at your house it still had the protective
sticky paper protector on the Stainless Steel. I have it 2 years now and
only had to replace the p-stat. Incidentally, I did that myself. Remember I
am the guy who fixes a funny noise in my car by turning the car radio
louder. The Machine stays on 12 hrs per day 7 days a week. 
	
	On Jan 6, 2008 11:33 AM, miKe mcKoffee  wrote:
	
		True enough for a used/reconditioned/buyers remorse machine
with 6 month
		warranty via same dealer I quoted BII current their website
sale price of 
		$1529 versus $1699 regular price. And that $1346.47 is
beginning open
		auction price not a Buy It Now price.  Price I stated was
for new as was the
		other pricing discussions. You can get a similar 6 month
warrantied HX 
		Expobar Office Control starting auction price for $686.46 or
Office Lever
		for $772.37 or Silvia for $394.56 plus PID kit $145.95 =
$540.51.
		
		Whether 1C temp steps is tight enough depends how picky
someone is about 
		their espresso. Sure have been numerous Brewtus owners
convert to PID over
		the years! Gilding the Lily? There's "good" espresso versus
striving for the
		absolute best it can be. Almost 2f temp step too wide for me
and many 
		others.
		
		And for the record not saying the Brewtus is not a good very
user friendly
		which also equals high WAF home machine. Just saying "as is"
I would not be
		satisfied with a BII given the current path of my Journey. 
		
		Kona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffee
	http://www.mcKonaKoffee.com 
		
		URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:
	http://www.mckoffee.com/		Ultimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path.
To know I must 
		first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each
Personal enlightenment
		found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who
have gone before.
		
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		From: homeroast-admin
		[mailto: homeroast-admin
 ] On Behalf Of Barry Luterman
		
		Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 1:02 PM
		
		To: homeroast
		Subject: Re: +First machine...possibly a used
silvia..question
		
		       Brewtus II $1347.47 plus 40 shipping.
		http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?from0&_trksid=m37&satitle=brewtu		s&category0=
 
		
		       Brewtus can be plumbed in for about 40. I personally
do not want to
		drill a hole in my granite counter top. He has a large
reservoir and you
		have the option of not plumbing in if you don't want to.
Some machines give 
		you no choice and have to be plumbed in. Brewtus also good
for 15 amp
		circuit and works with the circuit breakers needed in
kitchens and around
		water(Cant remember the 3 letter acronym). As far as needing
a PID most 
		people agree it would be just gilding the Lily 1 degree of C
is well enough
		in the tolerance for a good espresso shot.
		
		       On Jan 6, 2008 10:33 AM, miKe mcKoffee <
mcKona  > wrote:
		
		               True enough if adding the not mandatory but
makes HX temp
		management easier
		               digital thermometer adds ~$90 so making the
Tea II closer to
		$1150 versus
		               Brewtus II $1529.
		
		               Whether the Brewtus is "complete" or not
depends on point of
		view.
		               Personally I'd never own a pour over main
machine after 
		float valve
		               auto-fill mod'ing Silvia long ago. (Travel
vacation espresso
		machine doesn't
		               count:-) And vibe pumps sure are noisy
compared to rotary!
		And personally
		               not thrilled with wide 1C temp steps so
Brewtus would need 
		PID mod. Then
		               there's giving the Brewtus better steam power
with higher
		wattage steam
		               boiler heating element. Getting closer to
complete:-)

21) From: Terry Stockdale
The Brewtus II really doesn't have that purple sheen to it, does 
it?  I hope that's a reflection from something in the lighting.
I'm going to cheer for LSU tomorrow night, but I really don't want a 
purple espresso machine
Terry
At 03:02 PM 1/6/2008, you wrote:
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22) From: Barry Luterman
I see you bid on it good luck. Don't get into a bidding war with some one
over it. I know for a fact they have another one in the warehouse.If you
don't get this one you will get the next one.
On Jan 6, 2008 1:17 PM, Terry Stockdale  wrote:
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23) From: Terry Stockdale
Good guess, but t***s isn't me.   What about the purple?  Lighting, 
or really purple?
Terry
At 05:49 PM 1/6/2008, Barry Luterman wrote:
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24) From: Barry Luterman
Lighting. Machine is heavy stainless steel . Without water it's 60
pounds.Ikeep it beautiful wit just a bit of Windex, once a week, after
it cools .
On Jan 6, 2008 3:09 PM, Terry Stockdale  wrote:
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25) From: Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee
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...and that's probably the most important factor - knowing what you 
want, and anticipating as best you can if a particular machine will 
meet those expectations...  that's why there's lotsa different 
machines to suit lotsa different people!
now if someone could just invent the moderately priced yet 
outstanding coffee mill ...
tom
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                   "Great coffee comes from tiny roasters"
            Sweet Maria's Home Coffee Roasting  -  Tom & Maria
                      http://www.sweetmarias.com                Thompson Owen george_at_sweetmarias.com
     Sweet Maria's Coffee - 1115 21st Street, Oakland, CA 94607 - USA
             phone/fax: 888 876 5917 - tom_at_sweetmarias.com

26) From: Brett Mason
Zassenhaus...
  Brett
     Zassman
         (But Barry has more than I do!)
On Jan 6, 2008 7:48 PM, Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee
 wrote:
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Cheers,
Bretthttp://homeroast.freeservers.com

27) From: Barry Luterman
Tom has more than both of us
On Jan 6, 2008 4:34 PM, Brett Mason  wrote:
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28) From: Les
I would look seriously at the Gaggia Achille.  I enjoy a nice lever
machine.  Why not save up for a LM G3, then you won't have to worry about
upgrade fever.  What it really boils down to is are you willing to invest
the time in the learning curve for whatever machine you buy.  If you don't
spend at least $1,000.00 you are going to have a lack of power or stability
in my opinion.  I pull consistent shots on my Expobar, but it took some
education and experimenting.  I think it looks nice, beauty is in the eye of
the beholder.
Les
On Jan 6, 2008 6:34 PM, Brett Mason  wrote:
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29) From: miKe mcKoffee
Of course the big challenge is really knowing what you want when starting
out! It's tough to understand machine limitations until experiencing them.
Which is why upgrading equipment is so very very common, especially in the
realm of the home barista.
Yeah, why is it a really good grinder costs more than an entry level
espresso machine! And a really really good grinder costs more than a really
really good home espresso machine!
miKe
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