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Topic: Be up on the gop in Wyoming (20 msgs / 329 lines)
1) From: Treshell
http://www.wygop.org/I know how important this has bee to everyone so wanted you to have quick
access!
Wyoming County Conventions
I needs more coffee to stay awake in all of this
Treshell

2) From: Tom Ulmer
It actually Section A news in this morning's Palm Beach Post although it
didn't seem to ring as true as your revelation...

3) From: W. Simon
Tom,
Please ban this person.  If I wanted politics, I would join a political
mailing list.  It has absolutely no place on this list and should not be
tolerated.
Thank you,
Wesley Simon
On Jan 5, 2008 2:55 PM, Treshell  wrote:
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4) From: Brett Mason
Get a grip Wes...  He's also posted on Idido Misty Valley, espresso
machines, cupping - and these are within the last couple days...
Perhaps a mail filter?
or - DELETE_KEY
Tom can also be reached offlist...
Brett
On 1/7/08, W. Simon  wrote:
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Cheers,
Bretthttp://homeroast.freeservers.com

5) From: Edward Bourgeois
As Tom is having to deal with, politics has an incredible amount to do
with coffee and always has. Being that it is the 2nd largest dealt
commodity to oil. and employs gazillions of people around the world.
Kenya is a mess right now and India will not be giving Tom much for
his dollar as it is the lowest in history in India.
On Jan 7, 2008 9:23 AM, W. Simon  wrote:
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6) From: Greg Scace
Political posts have no place in this forum.  Keep them off.
-Greg
At 04:10 PM 1/5/2008, you wrote:
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7) From: gin
Wes:
you must be joking??  ban a really nice thoughtful poster for slipping into some OT?
no way...
wait until we hit the CA poltic!!
ginny
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8) From: Edward Bourgeois
Tom was just in Yemen and thankfully he came back safe. He now plans
to go to Kenya and I think he needs to rethink that trip. Do to our
trade and economic policies if he does his trip to India we will be
paying much more for coffee from that country. Another friend has been
trekking around Colombia which is not a safe place for an American.
Trade and environmental polices have much effects on coffee. If you
like the misty valley then the *$ vs. Ethiopia issue should be
important to you. If you like a Kona the blending standards and labor
issues should be paid attention to. More and more I think of Tom as
our "fearless leader" as he is often risking his life for us.. If you
don't want to hear about politics as it relates to coffee then just
bury your head in the sand and you will not see these posts.
On Jan 7, 2008 9:55 AM, Greg Scace  wrote:
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9) From: Brett Mason
I already thumped Wes.
But to the point, Wes isn't asking about "coffee politics".  He's
asking that the straight-up general audience politics be taken
elsewhere....
2cents
 Brett
On 1/7/08, Edward Bourgeois  wrote:
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Cheers,
Bretthttp://homeroast.freeservers.com

10) From: Edward Bourgeois
Brett I will agree that the focus needs to relate with coffee issues(
as specific and yet broad as they may be) on this list and I hope that
is what Wes was referring to and was what Treshell was considering
too.
On Jan 7, 2008 11:17 AM, Brett Mason  wrote:
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11) From: Lynne
As a die-hard left wing liberal I have no interest in OT GOP stuff. But I am
also very grateful that our good-hearted Tom isn't a dictator, and doesn't
ban anyone just because of one post.
Here-here - let's hear it for Sweet Maria's!!
Lynne
(who is also praying that Tom stays safe & away from dangerous areas)

12) From: Bill
Remember the original context of Treshell's message.  Brett posted about the
coffee he was drinking in Iowa for their caucuses, and got quite a bit of
play.  Treshell pointed out that Wyoming was the next state with
primaries... and then she posted this link.  Random?  Sure...  Tongue in
cheek?  Yes.  She needs coffee just to cope.  Political?  Not really.  More
public service announcement.
The discussion about primary politics and registration was much more
politically-based... but that was another thread, not this one!  In my
opinion, this was one of many off-topic jaunts we enjoyed/endured for 10
days after Christmas.  But now we're back to the hard business of enjoying
the life out of our black brew.  I do like the "coffee house" analogy... I
think it's appropriate for the sheer randomness of this place.
My 2 cents
Bill
On Jan 7, 2008 9:17 AM, Brett Mason  wrote:
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13) From: Lynne
And that's precisely why we love this group so much, IMHO. That's what makes
it all so human & real.
Lynne
(enjoying a fantastic cup of Harrar Horse, btw)
In my opinion, this was one of many off-topic jaunts we enjoyed/endured for
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14) From: Greg Scace
I point out that the link led me to the Wyoming Replican Party 
website, not directly to something coffee related.  If it's 
specifically coffee related you could make a case for it, but I 
didn't see that the link was coffee related, so I think it's inappropriate.
-Greg
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15) From: Lynne
Greg, while it may be inappropriate, so is a request to ban someone because
of it.
Lynne
(getting really pissed that kindness doesn't rule the day)
On Jan 7, 2008 11:52 AM, Greg Scace  wrote:
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16) From: John Brown
in the declining days of my life i read the emails with great enjoyment. 
be they on topic or a bit off.  i have enough problems with my home 
owners association's little hitlers dictating how, who, what, and where.
there is a list owner who will do what he wants with whom he wants 
without our participation. the people on this list are not all customers 
of theirs but most are.  the conversations are a good source of 
information for the owners and a way to gage the way the business is 
going. it allows them to keep track of what the customers think. better 
than a gold mine for feed back.
now for coffee i am drinking a Coasta Rica now
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17) From: W. Simon
I agree with Greg; political posts are inappropriate.  The mailing list has
rules.  Off-topic discussions are supposed to have a subject line that begin
with "OT:" to be considerate of those that are not interested.  Discussion
on politics is going to increase everywhere else over the next year.  I
believe that you should educate yourself and vote.  I could write volumes
and talk for hours about politics.  However, I would do that on a political
mailing list, not on a homeroaster's mailing list.
A very clear distinction can be made for political subjects concerning
coffee and those that are not.  As far as I know, there are no heated
debates within the 2008 presidential elections for the United States
concerning coffee, homeroasting, or espresso.
Please stop diluting this mailing list.  Stay focused on the topic.   Follow
the rules.  Take unrelated conversations off-list or to a mailing list where
they belong.  Everyone has the ability to discern between what belongs on
this list and what does not.  A new person signing up on a homeroaster's
mailing list is expecting a mailing list that discusses homeroasting.  Let's
fulfill that expectation.
Wes
On Jan 7, 2008 10:52 AM, Greg Scace  wrote:
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18) From: Edward Bourgeois
Politicians need not be directly speaking about coffee to be effecting
coffee. General trade, economic, labor, foreign relations, corporate
powers and environmental policies all effect coffee directly.
On Jan 7, 2008 12:20 PM, W. Simon  wrote:
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19) From: Edward Bourgeois
Think global-Roast Local
On Jan 7, 2008 12:34 PM, Edward Bourgeois  wrote:
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20) From: Aaron
wow, get over it dude.   How many times has off topic stuff hit the 
list, a bunch.
Do we need politics here, well, to be honest NO.  But it does pop up 
from time to time, and the last time, folks generally were fairly civil 
to each other and it died out.  I will agree though, pure politics as it 
pertains to the upcoming 2008 elections, or democrats .vs. republicans 
ad nauseum. does need to be kept off the list..... however.....
Demanding that someone be banned from the list is something that should 
be done via a private e mail to the list keepers NOT as a tantrum to the 
entire list.
Learn how to use a mail filter.  filter out topics or entire people you 
don't want to hear from and problem is solved.  Or possibly send a 
private e mail to the person asking them not to bring up politics.
There are lots of options besides banishing one to the gulag for 
whatever perceived crime against humanity has been committed.
Aaron


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