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Topic: Espresso on a budget, buying new (12 msgs / 277 lines)
1) From: miKe mcKoffee
IMO with Silvia's rising price over the last few years she's no longer the
value she once was. Yet someone can start out their Journey to the Dark Side
without hawking their home and still buy new. A Gaggia Carezza paired with a
Rocky for well under $600 total will get you going. Once/if you outgrow the
Carezza resale value good. And if you outgrow Rocky resale value very good.
Indeed when buying on a budget more should be budgeted for the grinder than
the espresso machine! It is that important. Unless willing to go strictly
full manual grinding eh Brett:-) Assuming various QC problem reports of
recent mfg Zass's aren't symptomatic that is...
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2) From: Alchemist John
I have not been paying great attention lately - are there new qc 
problems with Zass's?
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3) From: Brett Mason
I have a Rocky too - and agree with you!  Zass can grind for espresso,
but the Rocky convenience works when there are lots of cups to pull...
 I also agree regarding the Silvia - the Gaggia is a little lower
entry price with similar benefits...
Oscar's always ready for me, with all those great features - there's a
bunch of options in the $800-900 range....
Brett
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4) From: Sean Cary
Anyone ever use the Kitchen Aid dual boiler?
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5) From: Tim TenClay
I have a Gaggia Espresso that I got as a generous gift and a Zass knee
mill (which is exempt from the QC problems).  They work gloriously
together for a daily shot for me and a daily latte for my wife (as
well as a few extras here and there) :-)  I would recommend the outfit
and it's far better priced than some other sets (even if you don't get
it as a gift!)  The ONLY SOLITARY reservation I have is the knee mill.
 I absolutely LOVE mine, but hand grinding probably isn't for everyone
and when I need to grind coffee for someone as a gift it takes a while
to do a half a pound or a pound!
Grace and Peace,
  `tim
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6) From: miKe mcKoffee
Basically innards a couple of small Gaggia boilers. Build is supposedly good
with styling targeted for the uneducated consumer masses and hence were the
machine is sold. Ok machine but not a contender for anyone taking espresso
seriously. No real shot temp control and poor steam power. You'll need to
surf the shot temp like entry level Gaggia. Ok steaming for a single
cappuccino at best. The dual gauges worthless.
 
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	Anyone ever use the Kitchen Aid dual boiler?

7) From: Cameron Forde
Hi John,
I bought a Zass knee mill from Tom this past fall and it works almost
as well as my Mazzer mini for espresso.  I was surprised.  I expected
to either choke the machine with dust or to get a gush.  I'd have no
problem recommending the current crop of Zass knee mills from SM for
espresso use as long as the person is willing to spend the time
turning the crank.
Cameron
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8) From: ray
Anybody ever use one of these to grind coffee?  Love to know your comments
and feelings on it?  http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item0001028272&ssPageNameRK:MEWA:IT&ih4

9) From: Barry Luterman
According to a dealer I buy from in the Netherlands. Zassenhaus went our
version of Chapter 11. Just before they went belly up they dumped a lot of
their defective grinders on the market (2 years ago). They have now since
re-organized and the quality of the new grinders are as good as ever. Don't
know how true this is but it does seem to fit our observations.
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10) From: Mike Koenig
Looks to me like a Corona mill...I've seen it in homebrew (beer)
shops, but it's not so great for cracking barley.  I think it can also
be used as a flour mill.  I expect it to be somewhat terrible for
coffee.
--mike
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11) From: kevin creason
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Wow... I wonder what I'm missing in my shots from my Capresso Infinity
grinder ($100).
I recently de-pressurized my Saeco/barrista portafilter (it's not naked, but
it is in a string bikini) and retested the three finest grinds I can do in
the Capresso. I definitely do the third up from the finest settings. The
lower two settings make a powder that would not brew right. Tamp too hard
and they became a cement that would not pass water, tamp too lightly and it
still became a cement that did not pass water but it rolled up into a ball
and water went around the ball. The ball was very strange feeling as I
explored this mess in the sink.
I now can pull shots with a good head of crema that I know is not generated
from the pressure pieces of the cheater portafilter. I had a broken
portafilter (cracking plastic that the metal basket holder screws into) and
removed all plastic pieces. I bought a heavy metal ice cream spade (not a
scoop) flattened it a little more, and drilled it to mount the basket holder
to it, with a large hole in the middle to allow the elixir to slowly flow
down into my cup.
So while we are on the subject-- here is my routine. Is there anything else
I'm not doing right besides using neither a Rocky or a Zass? :D
1. turn on machine and let it start heating up
2. Grind my three to seven day rested beans
3. warm up cup and portafilter/baskets
4. measure 14 to 20 grams of coffee into basket(s)
5. tamp it (Les, I need a black walnut ridgeline. I think its 53mm but need
to measure)
6. run water until light goes out (so I know the boiler is full and fully
hot)
7. Lock and load, running a microsecond of water to wet the puck--
pre-infusion? I don't know where I got that habit.
8. When light comes back on, espress myself for about 21-25 seconds =~ two
ounces
9. drink and enjoy
10. repeat 4-9
Step one also contains some frothing of soy beverages in my house, though
about ten months out of the year I take any additives cold, the girls do
not. My son is like me-- take it cold and you can both drink it faster and
hold it in the mouth longer to enjoy the flavor.
-Kevin "thought I was doing pretty good"

12) From: John Brown
that is a grain mill from the Czech Republic made by Porket co.
i have one of their poppy seed grinders,  i like.   and use for my 
French press.
i would use the grain mill in a heart beat if i had one.
it will take the grind down to flour if that is what you want.
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