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Topic: Behmor Mod: A Better View of the Beans (15 msgs / 445 lines)
1) From: Eddie Dove
Folks,
For those interested in the pictures for cutting a hole in the chaff tray to
facilitate a better view of the beans, there is now a reference post with
those pictures on Homeroasters.org:http://www.homeroasters.org/php/forum/viewthread.php?forum_id6&thread_idv9#post_6666This was of course with Joe's Blessing and he did state that this
modification does NOT void the warranty.  As with anything else, you are
responsible for your own actions, including any results thereof, and your
personal safety.
I hope this is helpful.
Respectfully,
Eddie
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2) From: Dave Ehrenkranz
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You can also check this pagehttp://www.homeroasting.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdb26It has a series of pictures for doing what you want. I know it says  
it may void the warranty but apparently to other posts in this thread  
Joe has said it would not void the warrantly.
dave
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Folks, For those interested in the pictures for = cutting a hole in the chaff tray to facilitate a better view of the = beans, there is now a reference post with those pictures on Homeroasters.org : http://www.homeroasters.org/php/forum/viewthre=ad.php?forum_id=36&thread_id=769#post_6666 This was = of course with Joe's Blessing and he did state that this modification = does NOT void the warranty.  As with anything else, you are = responsible for your own actions, including any results thereof, and = your personal safety. I hope this is = helpful. Respectfully, Eddie -- Vita non est vivere = sed valere vita est Home Coffee Roasting Blog and Reference http://southcoastcof=feeroaster.blogspot.com/ = = --Apple-Mail-4-360879741--

3) From: Eddie Dove
Thanks, Dave ... I didn't know that was there.
Joe also mentioned that some prefer the results of using a Dremel (or the
like) with a cut-off wheel for making the cuts.
Eddie
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4) From: Alchemist John
That is a nice a small opening.  I just posted a not so subtle hack I 
have done.
At 03:03 1/9/2008, you wrote:
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5) From: Brett Mason
John - where did you post the mod?
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6) From: Alchemist John
http://www.homeroasters.org/php/forum/viewthread.php?forum_id6&thread_idv9At 05:51 1/9/2008, you wrote:
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7) From: Les
One advantage of being an RK  drum roaster for so many years, the desire for
looking at the beans is minimal.  I have found cleaning the glass every
other roast provides a real good look see!  The other point is what are you
going to do about what you see?  There isn't a whole lot of control over the
profiles.  I like how quiet the machine is and you can hear the cracks.
Les
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8) From: Alchemist John
Actually, I am roasting up a bunch of samples this morning and I have 
found myself cracking the door just a little at 1st to slow the on 
set of 2nd or if I SEE the roast is progressing a touch uneven.  In 
that regard I can adjust the profile, albeit crudely.
It's just one more piece of data.
Then again, I just roast fully without the chaff tray.
At 06:59 1/9/2008, you wrote:
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John Nanci
AlChemist at large
Zen Roasting , Blending & Espresso pulling by Gestalthttp://www.chocolatealchemy.com/

9) From: Robert Yoder
John,
 
What size samples?  What coffees are you doing?  What settings?  I've start=
ed to use 1/2 lb time for my 1/5 lb roasts, as you suggested, to avoid runn=
ing out of time before end of roast, and I am opening the door at roast end=
 to speed cooling and avoid over-running.
 
Thanks for all your input and,
 
Happy Roasting!
 
robert yoder
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Les On 1/9/08, Alchemist John < John> wrote: http://www.homeroasters.org/php/forum/viewthread.php?forum_id=36&thread_i=d=769 
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10) From: Les
I want to thank Alchemist for the idea of preheating.  I have found better
roasts by heating without the basket for two minutes, hit the cool cycle fo=
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two minutes,  stop the roaster, then load and roast.  I am getting more
consistent roasts that way.
Les
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11) From: Marty Wooten
Les,
 
I have to agree. I thought it was nice to be able to see the beans at all - brought back memory's of looking down into my P1 so many years ago, but much better and with out the noise.  I can say I don't really turn the light on all that much to peek in, but it is certainly nice to have the option. 
 
Have you done any comparison roasts between the RK and the Behmor profiles? If so, any general insights you have to share?
 
Marty
----- Original Message ----
From: Les 
To: homeroast
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2008 9:59:46 AM
Subject: Re: +Behmor Mod: A Better View of the Beans
One advantage of being an RK  drum roaster for so many years, the desire for looking at the beans is minimal.  I have found cleaning the glass every other roast provides a real good look see!  The other point is what are you going to do about what you see?  There isn't a whole lot of control over the profiles.  I like how quiet the machine is and you can hear the cracks. 
 
Les
On 1/9/08, Alchemist John  wrote: http://www.homeroasters.org/php/forum/viewthread.php?forum_id6&thread_idv9
At 05:51 1/9/2008, you wrote:
John - where did you post the mod?
B
On 1/9/08, Alchemist John  wrote:
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Cheers,
Bretthttp://homeroast.freeservers.comJohnNanci
AlChemist at large
Zen Roasting , Blending & Espresso pulling by Gestalthttp://www.chocolatealchemy.com/

12) From: Les
Behmor is a very fine roaster.  The RK gives you more control, and as a
result you can fine tune your results more.  Since Ron and Joe are friends,
I will just say you get what you pay for and both are an excellent value.  I
believe they are targeting two different segments of the homeroasting
community as well, therefore I don't think it is fair to compare.  This
morning I had coffee roasted in the Behmor and yesterday from the RK drum.
Les
On 1/9/08, Marty Wooten  wrote:
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13) From: Marty Wooten
I agree whole heartily with you and in no way would tout one over the other. I have enjoyed my RK for years and will certainly continue, but also find the Behmor a great machine as well. I was just curious since I had a Brazilian that I had roasted in each and when I tried it the next day, the profile I used on the RK seemed to fit my taste and as each day passed and I was a few days into the bean the Behmor profile seemed to work better on the bean, but as I finished up around day 8 they both were pretty even - they were both good through out, but thought it interesting where each of them hit on the bean I did. The profiles certainly were not the same and would greatly impact a comparison. I guess I really was happy about being able to note that the floral came out earlier in the RK, but developed very nicely in the Behmor as well (and was able to tell the difference, since I am slowly trying to work on my cupping skills).
 
Marty
----- Original Message ----
From: Les 
To: homeroast
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2008 5:55:32 PM
Subject: Re: +Behmor Mod: A Better View of the Beans
Behmor is a very fine roaster.  The RK gives you more control, and as a result you can fine tune your results more.  Since Ron and Joe are friends, I will just say you get what you pay for and both are an excellent value.  I believe they are targeting two different segments of the homeroasting community as well, therefore I don't think it is fair to compare.  This morning I had coffee roasted in the Behmor and yesterday from the RK drum. 
 
Les
On 1/9/08, Marty Wooten  wrote: 
Les,
 
I have to agree. I thought it was nice to be able to see the beans at all - brought back memory's of looking down into my P1 so many years ago, but much better and with out the noise.  I can say I don't really turn the light on all that much to peek in, but it is certainly nice to have the option. 
 
Have you done any comparison roasts between the RK and the Behmor profiles? If so, any general insights you have to share?
 
Marty
----- Original Message ----
From: Les < les.albjerg>
To: homeroast
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2008 9:59:46 AM 
Subject: Re: +Behmor Mod: A Better View of the Beans
One advantage of being an RK  drum roaster for so many years, the desire for looking at the beans is minimal.  I have found cleaning the glass every other roast provides a real good look see!  The other point is what are you going to do about what you see?  There isn't a whole lot of control over the profiles.  I like how quiet the machine is and you can hear the cracks. 
 
Les
On 1/9/08, Alchemist John < John> wrote: http://www.homeroasters.org/php/forum/viewthread.php?forum_id6&thread_idv9
At 05:51 1/9/2008, you wrote:
John - where did you post the mod?
B
On 1/9/08, Alchemist John < John > wrote:
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-- 
Cheers,
Bretthttp://homeroast.freeservers.comJohnNanci
AlChemist at large
Zen Roasting , Blending & Espresso pulling by Gestalthttp://www.chocolatealchemy.com/

14) From: Les
You are spot on Marty.  If I could change anything (But I have commited
myself to no hacking!) I would love to have a toggle switch to stretch out
the time after 1st crack in the Behmor.  The good old on-off toggle switch
on my Poppery gave me a lot of profile control for 18 years.  If I had a
toggle switch then a temp probe would make sense too.
Les
On Jan 9, 2008 6:14 PM, Marty Wooten  wrote:
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15) From: Marty Wooten
I made the same commitment to myself as well not to hack it ( I am using a variac and a Kill-A-Watt to insure consistent line voltage), but know exactly what you mean ;o)
 
Marty
----- Original Message ----
From: Les 
To: homeroast
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2008 11:57:45 PM
Subject: Re: +Behmor Mod: A Better View of the Beans
You are spot on Marty.  If I could change anything (But I have commited myself to no hacking!) I would love to have a toggle switch to stretch out the time after 1st crack in the Behmor.  The good old on-off toggle switch on my Poppery gave me a lot of profile control for 18 years.  If I had a toggle switch then a temp probe would make sense too. 
 
Les
On Jan 9, 2008 6:14 PM, Marty Wooten  wrote:
I agree whole heartily with you and in no way would tout one over the other. I have enjoyed my RK for years and will certainly continue, but also find the Behmor a great machine as well. I was just curious since I had a Brazilian that I had roasted in each and when I tried it the next day, the profile I used on the RK seemed to fit my taste and as each day passed and I was a few days into the bean the Behmor profile seemed to work better on the bean, but as I finished up around day 8 they both were pretty even - they were both good through out, but thought it interesting where each of them hit on the bean I did. The profiles certainly were not the same and would greatly impact a comparison. I guess I really was happy about being able to note that the floral came out earlier in the RK, but developed very nicely in the Behmor as well (and was able to tell the difference, since I am slowly trying to work on my cupping skills). 
 
Marty
----- Original Message ----
From: Les 
To: homeroast
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2008 5:55:32 PM
Subject: Re: +Behmor Mod: A Better View of the Beans
Behmor is a very fine roaster.  The RK gives you more control, and as a result you can fine tune your results more.  Since Ron and Joe are friends, I will just say you get what you pay for and both are an excellent value.  I believe they are targeting two different segments of the homeroasting community as well, therefore I don't think it is fair to compare.  This morning I had coffee roasted in the Behmor and yesterday from the RK drum. 
 
Les
On 1/9/08, Marty Wooten  wrote: 
Les,
 
I have to agree. I thought it was nice to be able to see the beans at all - brought back memory's of looking down into my P1 so many years ago, but much better and with out the noise.  I can say I don't really turn the light on all that much to peek in, but it is certainly nice to have the option. 
 
Have you done any comparison roasts between the RK and the Behmor profiles? If so, any general insights you have to share?
 
Marty
----- Original Message ----
From: Les < les.albjerg >
To: homeroast
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2008 9:59:46 AM 
Subject: Re: +Behmor Mod: A Better View of the Beans 
One advantage of being an RK  drum roaster for so many years, the desire for looking at the beans is minimal.  I have found cleaning the glass every other roast provides a real good look see!  The other point is what are you going to do about what you see?  There isn't a whole lot of control over the profiles.  I like how quiet the machine is and you can hear the cracks. 
 
Les
On 1/9/08, Alchemist John < John> wrote: http://www.homeroasters.org/php/forum/viewthread.php?forum_id6&thread_idv9
At 05:51 1/9/2008, you wrote:
John - where did you post the mod?
B
On 1/9/08, Alchemist John < John > wrote:
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-- 
Cheers,
Bretthttp://homeroast.freeservers.comJohnNanci
AlChemist at large
Zen Roasting , Blending & Espresso pulling by Gestalthttp://www.chocolatealchemy.com/


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