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Topic: My First Heat Gun (16 msgs / 1465 lines)
1) From: homeroast
OK, it's not quite a Fisher Price, but... :^)
After lots of recommendations and searching, I skipped the Glorious People's
Orange and went for a Wagner HT 775.  My first impression..goodness, this
thing is heavy! Especially since I was just doing a popper.  Drop them in,
watch them spin, listen for cracks, dump the tasty snacks. I had a rhythm of
sorts.  Now, it's a whole different ball game.
I'm roasting outside in a large round metal mixing bowl, metal slotted spoon
to stir the beans, and the Wagner.  I do have a wire basket to dump the
beans into, but no fan yet.  First, I really had no idea it would take so
long.  I normally don't have a watch on since I go by sound and color, but I
went from 5-8 minute roasts to 10-25 minute roasts, depending upon volume.
I first tried a couple of 1/2 cup batches then today jumped to 3 cups
because of a need to roast for a friend.  My primary bean is Misty Valley.  
I'm having a hard time figuring out what exactly I'm supposed to do.  In
looking online and reading, I'm more confused. Some seem to advocate
roasting on low until 1st crack then going to hi til finish.  Others reverse
the order.  What's the best?  Right now, I wave the HG over the beans.
Sometimes I hold it still and stir with the spoon to get those bottom
dwellers going.  Just depends on if my arm is getting tired. :^) I'm ending
up with a real melangy roast.  Some seem almost Vienna, others just light
cinammon.  Is this typical?  What can I do to do a better job?
At some point, I may pick up a used bread machine and try to mount the HG,
but for now, I'm going to stick with the current setup.  I have read Carol's
excellent tutorial on the HG/BM at the coffeecrone:http://www.coffeecrone.com/roasting/faq.htm. But, since I'm not using a BM,
I'm wondering if any of you have a HB/DB FAQ setup?  Thanks in advance.
Paul

2) From: homeroast
Just go to the good will and get the bread machine cost about 5 bucks or so
and will save you a ton of grief it spins the beans fast enough they will
not scorch or burn and makes for a very even roast you heat gun should be
able to kick out at least 1000 degrees to over come the winter time and cold
weather most of us do this in the garage or out side from all the chaff it
dose kick into the air and use a shop vacuum cooler..  With a metal bowl and
stirring stick in one hand heat gun in the other your going to be a busy
boy!

3) From: homeroast
Ray0,
I have been a busy boy.  How did you know!  It's not quite as cold in South
Tennesee but today was a little colder at around 40.  So, do you set it for
the higher 1K and leave it there?  And yes, part of the reason I was doing
it outside was that it's snowing...chaff that is. Thanks.
Paul
P.s. Tips on a HG holder for said BM?

4) From: homeroast
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Not Ray0, but-
This is a great time to get your Two Bread Machines. Both totally
functional, check that the kneading paddle is of metal base so that the hea=
t
of roasting (450F) won't obliterate it. A plastic one only has to surviv=
e
the heat of baking (325F - 350F), and it's not churning dough at that
point anyway.
The two bread machines with two heat guns would equip you with an instant
replacement (hot spare) if any part of your roasting setup failed.
If you just hang a heat gun over a bread machine, you relinquish the heat
control of a hand-held HG. Not that you need to flip the switches, open or
close grilles or the like, but you can chase light beans in a Harar, etc,
and urge the roast on or retard its progress.
Don't you wish the Geneva Convention mandated that all weapons had to be
fixed mounted, like traffic signal lights?
Of course, Cooling is the red-headed stepson half of roasting. Just set up =
a
cooler that has enough capacity that it only has to run a few seconds to
stop any roast you'll ever dump in it.
Cheers, Mabuhay, tung h -RayO, aka Opa!
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Not Ray0, but- 
This is a great time to get your Two Bread Machines.=
 Both totally functional, check that the kneading paddle is of metal base s=
o that the heat of roasting (450F) won't obliterate it. A plastic on=
e only has to survive the heat of baking (325F - 350F), and it's =
not churning dough at that point anyway. 
The two bread machines with two heat guns would equip you with an i=
nstant replacement (hot spare) if any part of your roasting setup failed.
If you just hang a heat gun over a bread machine, you relinquish the =
heat control of a hand-held HG. Not that you need to flip the switches, ope=
n or close grilles or the like, but you can chase light beans in a Harar, e=
tc, and urge the roast on or retard its progress.
Don't you wish the Geneva Convention mandated that all weapons =
had to be fixed mounted, like traffic signal lights?
Of course, Cool=
ing is the red-headed stepson half of roasting. Just set up a cooler that h=
as enough capacity that it only has to run a few seconds to stop any roast =
you'll ever dump in it. 
Cheers, Mabuhay, tung h -RayO, aka Opa!
On Jan 16, 2008 1:05 PM, Paul Martin <
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Ray0,
I have been a busy boy.  How did you know!  It's=
 not quite as cold in South
Tennesee but today was a little colder at around 40.  So, do you s=
et it for
the higher 1K and leave it there?  And yes, part of the r=
eason I was doing
it outside was that it's snowing...chaff that is. =
Thanks.
Paul
P.s. Tips on a HG holder=
 for said BM?

5) From: homeroast
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Woops.  Thanks to both Rays. :^)  Appreciate the tips.  
 
Paul  
From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of
raymanowen
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 5:16 PM
To: homeroast
Subject: Re: +My First Heat Gun
Not Ray0, but- 
This is a great time to get your Two Bread Machines. Both totally
functional, check that the kneading paddle is of metal base so that the =
heat
of roasting (450F) won't obliterate it. A plastic one only has to =
survive
the heat of baking (325F - 350F), and it's not churning dough at =
that
point anyway. 
The two bread machines with two heat guns would equip you with an =
instant
replacement (hot spare) if any part of your roasting setup failed.
If you just hang a heat gun over a bread machine, you relinquish the =
heat
control of a hand-held HG. Not that you need to flip the switches, open =
or
close grilles or the like, but you can chase light beans in a Harar, =
etc,
and urge the roast on or retard its progress. 
Don't you wish the Geneva Convention mandated that all weapons had to be
fixed mounted, like traffic signal lights?
Of course, Cooling is the red-headed stepson half of roasting. Just set =
up a
cooler that has enough capacity that it only has to run a few seconds to
stop any roast you'll ever dump in it. 
Cheers, Mabuhay, tung h -RayO, aka Opa!
On Jan 16, 2008 1:05 PM, Paul Martin < pmradio> wrote:
Ray0,
I have been a busy boy.  How did you know!  It's not quite as cold in =
South 
Tennesee but today was a little colder at around 40.  So, do you set it =
for
the higher 1K and leave it there?  And yes, part of the reason I was =
doing
it outside was that it's snowing...chaff that is. Thanks. 
Paul
P.s. Tips on a HG holder for said BM?

6) From: homeroast
It gets to be a PIA (pain in A$$) holding on to the heat gun so I used some
dead soft copper pluming pipe flex type flattened one side about 4" long put
some holes in it and screwed it onto the side of the bread machine on the
other end Flattened  abt 3" and with a car radiator hose clamp attached it
to the heat gun its just flexible enough to holed the gun where I want it
and still push it out of the way to get the bread hopper out to cool the
beans  some use other types of stands love to here from them and what they
have?  
One thing nice about outside the chaff that you stir up form the beans the
wind carries off makes for a nice clean bean.

7) From: homeroast
On Jan 16, 2008, at 5:53 PM, ray wrote:
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I wonder if the right tool for the job might not be a laboratory ring- 
stand?
Something like:http://www.sciplus.com/recommend.cfm/recommendid/11836 (vacuum pump)">http://www.sciplus.com/recommend.cfm/recommendid/4939And while you're there, you can also orderhttp://www.sciplus.com/recommend.cfm/recommendid/11836 (vacuum pump)
andhttp://www.sciplus.com/recommend.cfm/recommendid/11961(filtering flask)
hmmm. not sure what they have that'd be suitable for the filter  
chamber...
dang.
-
allon

8) From: homeroast
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It's also possible to hang the heatgun and still maintain the control.  I r=
oast in a bread machine on the patio right next to the grill.  There is a h=
andle on the outside edge of the side burner from which I hang the heatgun.=
  I've got a braided leather dog leash looped over the handle and secured w=
ith a big binder clip so I can raise or lower it easily and it doesn't slip=
.  The snap of the leash is hooked to a loop that I put around the heat gun=
 (ok, I'll confess, it's a tubular eyeglass holder for sports - it's what w=
as laying around the day I wanted to rig this up and it works just fine)  I=
 usually leave the heatgun alone for the first couple of minutes, then give=
 it a push once in a while so it swings around in a small circle.  As the r=
oast progresses, I move it deliberately around the beans but it's so much e=
asier on the wrist having it hanging instead of holding the rather heavy gu=
n.  I hope you can find a bread machine easily - there are about 6
 of them sitting on the shelf of my local thrift store right now but I've a=
lready got a backup sitting on the shelf.   It's really nice having that ma=
chine do the stirring for you.
Take care,
Kris
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From: Paul Martin 
To: homeroast=
.sweetmarias.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 2:50:28 PM
Subject: =
RE: +My First Heat Gun
 
Woops.  Thanks to both Rays. :^=
)  Appreciate the 
tips.  
 
Paul 
From: homeroas=
t-admin 
[mailto:homeroast-admin=
com] On Behalf Of 
raymanowen
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 20=
08 5:16 
PM
To: homeroast
Subject: Re: +My 
F=
irst Heat Gun
Not Ray0, but- 
This is a great time to ge=
t your Two Bread 
Machines. Both totally functional, check that the knead=
ing paddle is of metal 
base so that the heat of roasting (450F) won't=
 obliterate it. A plastic one 
only has to survive the heat of baking (32=
5F - 350F), and it's not churning 
dough at that point anyway. 
=
The two bread machines with two heat guns 
would equip you with an ins=
tant replacement (hot spare) if any part of your 
roasting setup failed.=
If you just hang a heat gun over a bread machine, 
you relinquish t=
he heat control of a hand-held HG. Not that you need to flip the 
switche=
s, open or close grilles or the like, but you can chase light beans in a =
Harar, etc, and urge the roast on or retard its progress. 
Don't yo=
u wish 
the Geneva Convention mandated that all weapons had to be fixed m=
ounted, like 
traffic signal lights?
Of course, Cooling is the red-h=
eaded stepson half 
of roasting. Just set up a cooler that has enough cap=
acity that it only has to 
run a few seconds to stop any roast you'll eve=
r dump in it. 
Cheers, 
Mabuhay, tung h -RayO, aka Opa!
On J=
an 16, 2008 1:05 PM, Paul Martin < pmradio> 
wrote:
Ray0=
,
I 
  have been a busy boy.  How did you know!  It's not quite as c=
old in 
  South 
Tennesee but today was a little colder at around 40.  =
So, do 
  you set it for
the higher 1K and leave it there?  And yes, pa=
rt of the 
  reason I was doing
it outside was that it's snowing...chaf=
f that is. 
  Thanks. 
Paul
P.s. Tips on a HG 
  holder for s=
aid BM?

9) From: homeroast
Sure could be but hard to come up with I would think?

10) From: homeroast
Kris,
I also suspend my heatgun and can easily raise and lower it. That's
how I follow my 'profile'. I personally think being able to easily
raise and lower my heatgun is key.
Brian
On Jan 16, 2008 6:44 PM, Kris Bhatti  wrote:
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Paul,
You also asked about temps, not just bout HG stands.  Here's my very limited
experience.  I have a 3 burner BBQ and a Milwaukee 8986.  I use the middle
burner on low and the HG on 4/5 heat (4/5 of 1100 is 880 F, if you trust
their claims on the topend!).  I use the BBQ because I roast in
below-freezing temps and want some control.  The wind blows sometimes, too.
 Anyway, I hold the HG in my left hand, generally stationary, and stir with
my right hand.  The Milwaukee puts out 15 cubic ft/min, which I haven't
found to be enough to stir the beans sufficiently, so I go by hand!  I
haven't had any trouble with melange roasts at all!
First crack is around 8 or 9 minutes, second crack is around 5 or 6 minutes
after the beginning of first.  I'm trying to figure out if I need to up the
heat a bit after first crack.  I can't tell any problems with that timing
for 2nd crack.  I've seen warnings against blowing into 2nd crack, and
instructions that you should have 4 or so minutes until 2nd... I don't think
I'm baking the beans!!
Anyway, I really don't think I'm going to go to the BM... it's just too nice
to stand on the patio and roast coffee, stirring contentedly.  If I wanted
automation, I'd buy a Behmor!  I love the hands-on nature of roasting with
the HG/DB/BBQ method!  That's my 2 cents!
Bill
On Jan 16, 2008 4:54 PM, Brian Kamnetz  wrote:
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Paul,
You also asked about temps, not just bout HG stands.  Here's my very limited experience.  I have a 3 burner BBQ and a Milwaukee 8986.  I use the middle burner on low and the HG on 4/5 heat (4/5 of 1100 is 880 F, if you trust their claims on the topend!).  I use the BBQ because I roast in below-freezing temps and want some control.  The wind blows sometimes, too.  Anyway, I hold the HG in my left hand, generally stationary, and stir with my right hand.  The Milwaukee puts out 15 cubic ft/min, which I haven't found to be enough to stir the beans sufficiently, so I go by hand!  I haven't had any trouble with melange roasts at all!
First crack is around 8 or 9 minutes, second crack is around 5 or 6 minutes after the beginning of first.  I'm trying to figure out if I need to up the heat a bit after first crack.  I can't tell any problems with that timing for 2nd crack.  I've seen warnings against blowing into 2nd crack, and instructions that you should have 4 or so minutes until 2nd... I don't think I'm baking the beans!!
Anyway, I really don't think I'm going to go to the BM... it's just too nice to stand on the patio and roast coffee, stirring contentedly.  If I wanted automation, I'd buy a Behmor!  I love the hands-on nature of roasting with the HG/DB/BBQ method!  That's my 2 cents! Bill On Jan 16, 2008 4:54 PM, Brian Kamnetz <bkamnetz> wrote: Kris, I also suspend my heatgun and can easily raise and lower it. That's how I follow my 'profile'. I personally think being able to easily raise and lower my heatgun is key. Brian On Jan 16, 2008 6:44 PM, Kris Bhatti <krisbhatti> wrote: > I've got a braided leather dog leash looped over the handle and secured with > a big binder clip so I can raise or lower it easily and it doesn't slip. homeroast mailing list http://sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings------=_Part_32353_29838696.1200533210300--">http://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroastTo change your personal list settings (digest options, vacations, unsvbscribes) go to http://sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings------=_Part_32353_29838696.1200533210300--

12) From: homeroast
Hummm, wonder who that Carol person is? They also make a stand for 
holding one of those heat gun shaped hair dryers. That would work. My 
heat gun is fairly light, so, although I have played with various 
mounting thingees, I do the wave it around bit.
Vicki
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t (It was very cheaply constructed.)  Your Heat Gun may vary.
 
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> Subject: Re: +=
My First Heat Gun
> To: homeroast
> Date:=
 Wed, 16 Jan 2008 20:37:15 -0700
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> Hummm, wonder who that Ca=
rol person is? They also make a stand for 
> holding one of those hea=
t gun shaped hair dryers. That would work. My 
> heat gun is fairly l=
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> mounting thingees, I=
 do the wave it around bit.
> 
> Vicki
> 
> Paul Ma=
rtin wrote:
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> > At some point, I may pick up a used bread=
 machine and try to mount the HG,
> > but for now, I'm going to st=
ick with the current setup. I have read Carol's
> > excellent tuto=
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> >http://www.coffeecrone.c=om/roasting/faq.htm. But, since I'm not using a BM,
> > I'm wonder=
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14) From: homeroast
Ummm Vicki, yeah that's what I meant.  It's very helpful, thank you!
(Unlike my memory, apparently.  )
Paul

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On Jan 16, 2008 11:33 AM, Paul Martin  wrote:
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Hi Paul,
I updated the following last month:
I keep the following info around for those that are interested.  I've
updated the links to the products throughout the years, so changed them so
you can at least see the product.  There are always many places to buy them
on line, so check around.  You can probably get some things locally, too.
This set up works very well for 2 lbs of greens at a time.  If you roast
less than 2 lbs, the roast sometimes goes a bit slower as the bean mass is
smaller and doesn't hold has much heat.  So much depends on the type of
bean, ambient temp, wind, etc.  We keep the BBQ side burner on at all times,
but turn it down towards the end of the roast to coast it into FC or FC+.
After using the set up for awhile, listening to the cracks, you figure out
when to adjust the bottom heat or heat from the heat gun. I hate keeping
track of the details.  This is more of a Zen way to roast.  My mind wanders
and I look at the birds, the plants and Hunchback Mountain and eschew data.
The whole rest of my life is data, so roasting is functional relaxation.  I
free my mind and have a great product to show for it.  Just let me know if
you have any other questions.  Ann
Here is the heatgun I use:http://www.amazon.com/Milwaukee-8988-20-Variable-Temperature-Heat/dp/B00005Q7B0.I went with high-end, but many people roast with a $50 heat gun from Home
Depot, Sears or Lowes.
This one has easily cleanable filters when chaff clogs them up.  It
has a slider control that goes up to 1100 degrees and a slider control
3 speed fan. My husband likes it because we can use it to bend plastic
pipe, take off paint, etc.  I hang it off the BBQ hood facing down
into the dog bowl/colander combination that's sitting on top of the
(Front Avenue grill from Costco made by Charbroil) BBQ side burner.
The heat gun is held down by an extra bag of beans on the BBQ hood.
Here is the dog bowl I use:http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c307+15+2792&pcatid'92I bought a 64oz and 32oz, but use the 64 oz the most.
I bought these colanders:http://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/product.asp?order_num=-1&SKU508006.
I use the one that fits the dog bowl best, usually the one 10 inches
in diameter.  I roast with the colander in the dog bowl.  It's easier
to stir the beans in the colander rather than the dog bowl. I don't
even need to use hotpad.  At the end of the
roast, I just lift the colander out by it's handle and hold it over my
cooling fan until the bottom of the colander is cool.  Then I set it
right on the fan.
I use this fan:http://www.drillspot.com/products/308083/Honeywell_HT-800_Black_3SPD_Superturbo_FanI tilt the fan so the face is horizonal and lay the colander on top
and stir.  Beans are cool in a few minutes and chaff is gone. I got mine
during
the summer for $8.
I found a cheap stainless steel balloon whisk I got at Winco that cost
$4.69. It measures 12.5 inches long and is very light in weight, so
keeps my hands out of the head and is comfortable to hold.
That's my equipment. It isn't much, but I have exquisite control over
the roast by adjusting the bottom heat from the side burner or top
heat from the heat gun.  I watch every change the beans make.   I love
it.
Take care,
Ann
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On Jan 16, 2008 11:33 AM, Paul Martin <pmradio> wrote:
I'm wondering if any of you have a HB/DB FAQ setup?  Thanks in advance.
Paul
Hi Paul,
I updated the following last month:

I keep the following info around for those that are interested.  I've updated the links to the products throughout the years, so changed them so you can at least see the product.  There are always many places to buy them on line, so check around.  You can probably get some things locally, too. This set up works very well for 2 lbs of greens at a time.  If you roast less than 2 lbs, the roast sometimes goes a bit slower as the bean mass is smaller and doesn't hold has much heat.  So much depends on the type of bean, ambient temp, wind, etc.  We keep the BBQ side burner on at all times, but turn it down towards the end of the roast to coast it into FC or FC+.  After using the set up for awhile, listening to the cracks, you figure out when to adjust the bottom heat or heat from the heat gun. I hate keeping track of the details.  This is more of a Zen way to roast.  My mind wanders and I look at the birds, the plants and Hunchback Mountain and eschew data. The whole rest of my life is data, so roasting is functional relaxation.  I free my mind and have a great product to show for it.  Just let me know if you have any other questions.  Ann Here is the heatgun I use: http://www.amazon.com/Milwaukee-8988-20-Variable-Temperature-Heat/dp/B00005Q7B0. I went with high-end, but many people roast with a $50 heat gun from Home Depot, Sears or Lowes. This one has easily cleanable filters when chaff clogs them up.  It has a slider control that goes up to 1100 degrees and a slider control 3 speed fan. My husband likes it because we can use it to bend plastic pipe, take off paint, etc.  I hang it off the BBQ hood facing down into the dog bowl/colander combination that's sitting on top of the (Front Avenue grill from Costco made by Charbroil) BBQ side burner. The heat gun is held down by an extra bag of beans on the BBQ hood. Here is the dog bowl I use: http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c307+15+2792&pcatid'92I bought a 64oz and 32oz, but use the 64 oz the most. I bought these colanders: http://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/product.asp?order_num=-1&SKU508006. I use the one that fits the dog bowl best, usually the one 10 inches in diameter.  I roast with the colander in the dog bowl.  It's easier to stir the beans in the colander rather than the dog bowl. I don't even need to use hotpad.  At the end of the roast, I just lift the colander out by it's handle and hold it over my cooling fan until the bottom of the colander is cool.  Then I set it right on the fan. I use this fan: http://www.drillspot.com/products/308083/Honeywell_HT-800_Black_3SPD_Superturbo_FanI tilt the fan so the face is horizonal and lay the colander on top and stir.  Beans are cool in a few minutes and chaff is gone. I got mine during the summer for $8. I found a cheap stainless steel balloon whisk I got at Winco that cost $4.69. It measures 12.5 inches long and is very light in weight, so keeps my hands out of the head and is comfortable to hold. That's my equipment. It isn't much, but I have exquisite control over the roast by adjusting the bottom heat from the side burner or top heat from the heat gun.  I watch every change the beans make.   I love it.
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Thanks for the info and the links, Ann. 
Paul
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