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Topic: $20,000.00 Cuppa (21 msgs / 779 lines)
1) From: Kris Bhatti
So is it the multiple halogen heating elements that makes this thing cost 20k?  The actual brewer part they show in the article is nothing that special.   I got a Hario vacuum brewer (the size smaller than the one pictured in the article) in Singapore last September for about $60.  I'm pretty happy with boiling the water in my electric kettle and letting the alcohol burner do the rest of the job.  I wonder how much you have to charge for a cup of that coffee in a shop to pay for machinery like that.  It certainly makes a good show for people who have never seen a vacuum pot before.  Hey, I wonder if I could rig one of those little halogen desk lamps to do this job...  I still like the mad-scientist atmosphere that comes with the open flame too much to spend much time working on other heating methods.
Kris
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From: Brett Mason 
To: homeroast
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 4:40:36 AM
Subject: Re: +$20,000.00 Cuppa
It's not for the individual, it's for the production arena.  The price is not out of line for an espresso machine in a production coffee bar, although high.
Have you had coffee brewed in a vacuum brewer?  I did this past Saturday, and as always, it is incredible...
Just my two (million) cents
Brett
On Jan 23, 2008 4:34 AM, Bernard Gerrard  wrote:
Be the first in your block!http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/23/dining/23coff.html?em&ex01237200&enGb49f691f37d542&eiP87%0AII like good coffee....but Gi'me A Break.  The ultimate in conspicuous
consumption.  Bernard-- 
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2) From: Brett Mason
Awesome...  Now where do I get a halogen heater like that?  It's a very cool
setup!
Brett
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3) From: Tom Ulmer
And the single cup brewer...

4) From: Brett Mason
I have a Cory Vacpot, and am not above using it over halogen....
B
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5) From: Rich Adams
The "3 cup" Yama or Hario, would be a single cup brewer to most of us I'm 
sure.
:-)
Rich Adams

6) From: Sean Sweet
Seth - don't forget about the bamboo stir-sticks!  That's another couple
dollars each!
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Seriously, I lived in Japan 8 years and still visit every year or two.  A
line of Yamas or vac pots across the sit-at-bar (~$100/each including
burners) is what you can expect at a 'traditional' Japanese coffee shop.
And, I'll argue, all you'd need vs. the $20k production bar.  But, yes, I'd
love to try a cup!
For what it's worth, I loved the quote on stirring to achieve the whirlpool
messing with one's mind - very zen!
Cheers,
Sean

7) From: ray
Know it gives off tons of infra red watch it cook the guys operating it or
give them super sun burn and cancer

8) From: ries van Twisk
On Jan 23, 2008, at 2:57 PM, ray wrote:
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isn't it the UV that gives the cancer, the infra red is just heat,  
much like a fire place.
I am not sure if there is much UV in these things though...
Ries
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9) From: Jason
On Jan 23, 2008 2:37 PM, Sean Sweet  wrote:
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Or there were drugs involved.  ;)

10) From: Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee
Sean  ... did yopu really see the vac pots much. i thought they were 
becoming rare in japanese coffee houses...
tom
Seth - don't forget about the bamboo stir-sticks!  That's another 
couple dollars each!
Just looking at the set up, it seemed like 5 really nice vacu=
um pots and 5 fancy halogen "burners".  It just didn't look like $20k worth=
  of stuff to my very UN-trained eye. :)
Seriously, I lived in Japan 8 years and still visit every year or 
two.  A line of Yamas or vac pots across the sit-at-bar (~$100/each 
including burners) is what you can expect at a 'traditional' Japanese 
coffee shop.  And, I'll argue, all you'd need vs. the $20k production 
bar.  But, yes, I'd love to try a cup! 
For what it's worth, I loved the quote on stirring to achieve the 
whirlpool messing with one's mind - very zen!
Cheers,
Sean
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11) From: John Despres
Brett, get a car headlight, cut a hole in your counter, put a battery or 
a converter under the counter, add a dimmer, and voila! Halogen heat!
John
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12) From: Brett Mason
I couldn't get the car positioned right under the counter...
Brett
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13) From: John Despres
Ohhh. Battery's on the other side, huh? Oh, well.
John
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14) From: Sandra Andina
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Well, we can afford our mortgage, have little other debt, own our cars  
outright and are coming down to our son's final semester of college  
(and a bond that'll mature just in time for that). But, my mom took  
out a small mortgage at 7% in 1993 to buy her very first piece of  
property, a retirement village condo in s.e. FL where she lived out  
her days till passing away in spring 2006. By then, there was still  
the majority left unpaid, but we all thought that equity would take  
care of that.  Fast-forward to today. My sister & I are now the joint  
owners of that condo (of which sis wants no part), which now carries a  
monthly assessment of $400 (thank you, Hurricane Wilma--even though  
that building was one of the few in the village left untouched--and  
the insurance company), plus $200 in utilities.  (Then there's the  
exterminator, cleaning service, yada yada yada). With the mortgage  
payment it's worse than a "white elephant:" because this white  
elephant has its trunk in my wallet and is sucking money out of it  
like a Hoover on steroids.  We're old enough to live there but not  
ready to retire, and don't relish the prospect of my taking the  
Florida Bar Exam and Bob retaking the Internal Medicine boards in  
order to continue plying our trades down there. My lawyer and the  
village's realtor basically shook their heads about whether there's  
any hope of selling it; old folks are dying, their kids aren't ready  
to retire (and certainly not to Florida), and nobody wants to move  
into "alte kocker" retirement villages with their myriad restrictions  
on pets, noise, barbecuing, even decor--not even as "snowbird"  
tenants.  We'll be lucky to dump the place for what's left on the  
mortgage.   My one consolation is that this slide in the market  
happened right after Wilma, when Mom was still living there, so it's  
not my fault for not listing it earlier.
But if anyone here over 55 wants a 2 BR/2BA fully-furnished (right  
down to the 25" Sony TV, power recliner, dishes and linens) condo in  
Delray Beach cheap.......
Sandy Andina
www.myspace.com/sandyandina
On Jan 23, 2008, at 11:01 AM, Rich wrote:
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Well, we can afford our =
mortgage, have little other debt, own our cars outright and are coming =
down to our son's final semester of college (and a bond that'll mature =
just in time for that). But, my mom took out a small mortgage at 7% in =
1993 to buy her very first piece of property, a retirement village condo =
in s.e. FL where she lived out her days till passing away in spring =
2006. By then, there was still the majority left unpaid, but we all =
thought that equity would take care of that.  Fast-forward to =
today. My sister & I are now the joint owners of that condo (of =
which sis wants no part), which now carries a monthly assessment of $400 =
(thank you, Hurricane Wilma--even though that building was one of the =
few in the village left untouched--and the insurance company), plus $200 =
in utilities.  (Then there's the exterminator, cleaning service, =
yada yada yada). With the mortgage payment it's worse than a "white =
elephant:" because this white elephant has its trunk in my wallet and is =
sucking money out of it like a Hoover on steroids.  We're old =
enough to live there but not ready to retire, and don't relish the =
prospect of my taking the Florida Bar Exam and Bob retaking the Internal =
Medicine boards in order to continue plying our trades down there. My =
lawyer and the village's realtor basically shook their heads about =
whether there's any hope of selling it; old folks are dying, their kids =
aren't ready to retire (and certainly not to Florida), and nobody wants =
to move into "alte kocker" retirement villages with their myriad =
restrictions on pets, noise, barbecuing, even decor--not even as =
"snowbird" tenants.  We'll be lucky to dump the place for what's =
left on the mortgage.   My one consolation is that this slide in =
the market happened right after Wilma, when Mom was still living there, =
so it's not my fault for not listing it earlier.But if anyone here =
over 55 wants a 2 BR/2BA fully-furnished (right down to the 25" Sony TV, =
power recliner, dishes and linens) condo in Delray Beach =
cheap.......
 Sandy Andinawww.myspace.com/sandyandina 
On Jan 23, =
2008, at 11:01 AM, Rich wrote:
The NYT = and like ilk screaming that the economy is falling into depression. =  Not to mention the talking heads on the tube and our collective = elected representatives.  Just look around, all is fine, the sky = has not fallen or is it falling.  you are right, some people signed = up for a loan that there was no way they could afford.  I have seen = this before and we all survived. Brett Mason = wrote: Rich...  Isn't everything we do = all day conspicuous consumption?  Near us is an Amish community = with household incomes of around $12,000, and families of 4-7.  I = drove a $18K car to work today.  I had brewed coffee, and specialty = coffee at that.  I toasted a bagel in a nice stainless-steel retro = toaster.  I took a hot shower, and used a garage door opener to = keep my vehicle out of the snow...  The cream cheese for the bagel = came from a container, already whipped with sundried tomatoes and spices = already mixed in.  Forgive me from going there, but aren't we all = using electronic computers and the internet to discuss this = topic? My economy has not = collapsed, but there are a few folk who bought and sold properties with = weird mortgages and strange credit calculations, and they are having a = problem.  So I moved some moneys out of stock funds into some = international instruments, and that is going = well... What is this of which = you speak? Brett On = 1/23/08, *Rich* <
rich-mail <mailto:rich-mail>= > wrote: =    And all of this ostentatious conspicuous consumption = in the face of an =    economic collapse (per NYT). Fer shame = S.F. =    Bernard Gerrard wrote:     > Be the first in your = block! =     > =    http://www.nytimes.=com/2008/01/23/dining/23coff.html?em&ex=1201237200&en=47b49f69= 1f37d542&ei=5087%0AI =    <http://www.nytimes.=com/2008/01/23/dining/23coff.html?em&ex=1201237200&en=47b49f69= 1f37d542&ei=5087%0AI>     >     > I like good coffee....but = Gi'me A Break.  The ultimate in = conspicuous =     > consumption. =  Bernard =     > =     > =     > homeroast mailing = list =     > http://li=sts.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast     > To change your personal = list settings (digest options, vacations,     > unsvbscribes) go = to =     > http://=sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings =     > =     > =        homeroast mailing = list    http://li=sts.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast    To change your personal list = settings (digest options, vacations,    unsvbscribes) go = to    http://=sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings -- Cheers, Brett http://homeroast.freeservers.com= ho= meroast mailing list http://li=sts.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast To change your = personal list settings (digest options, vacations, unsvbscribes) go to = http://=sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings = --Apple-Mail-30--494491089--

15) From: David Adler
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Hi,
I posted 3 photos at the Coffee Image Gallery:http://www.homeroasting.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx46showing the syphon array at a cafe in the Hotel Granvia - which is in/ 
attached to the Kyoto train station. I was not eating at the cafe nor  
staying at the hotel but I had heard about the syphon coffee brewing  
setup they did for breakfast, went up there one morning and asked the  
guy at the entrance, well sort of said, I had to see the syphon  
brewers in action (another gaijin coffee nut). The setup seemed  
designed for efficient production, and in the corner spot with the  
window looking out over that great city. The syphon-rista, is that  
right?, offered me a taste and she seemed pretty pleased that I  
wanted to photograph/video the set up. Tthe coffee was pretty good  
but quite weak for my preference. The halogen heaters were very nifty  
and photogenic. I did have some very, very good coffee elsewhere in  
Kyoto - including wonderful cappuccino with art - cat, owl and tree.
enjoy,
david
On Jan 23, 2008, at 7:09 AM, homeroast-request  
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Hi,I posted 3 photos at the Coffee Image Gallery:
htt= p://www.homeroasting.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=7846<= br class="webkit-block-placeholder">showing the syphon = array at a cafe in the Hotel Granvia - which is in/attached to the Kyoto = train station. I was not eating at the cafe nor staying at the hotel but = I had heard about the syphon coffee brewing setup they did for = breakfast, went up there one morning and asked the guy at the entrance, = well sort of said, I had to see the syphon brewers in action (another = gaijin coffee nut). The setup seemed designed for efficient production, = and in the corner spot with the window looking out over that great city. = The syphon-rista, is that right?, offered me a taste and she seemed = pretty pleased that I wanted to photograph/video the set up. Tthe coffee = was pretty good but quite weak for my preference. The halogen heaters = were very nifty and photogenic. I did have some very, very good coffee = elsewhere in Kyoto - including wonderful cappuccino with art - cat, owl = and tree.enjoy,david On = Jan 23, 2008, at 7:09 AM, homeroast-request@= lists.sweetmarias.com wrote:

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16) From: b cook
These kinds of things were a pretty common sight in Chinese coffee houses as
well.
brad
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17) From: MichaelB
David,
Interesting! Thanks for sharing those pictures. The tilted tops filled with
grinds just sitting in the bottoms which seem to be boiling. So if they wait
for an order, snug the top into the bottom (with ovegloves or equivalent I
hope) they must get almost immediate filling of the top. The whole process
up and down must be pretty quick. Do you know how long it takes? How long to
rise? How long they leave it full before removing from the light?
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18) From: Floyd Lozano
I don't know about your realtor's assessment in the short term, but
his assumptions about the aging of the population are off.  From the
data on the following site, the % of the population (this country) of
individuals age 55 or older has gone from 21% to 23%.  Those are the
folks that will be 'retiring' in 10 years.  Of course, what does
retirement really mean these days - not necessarily moving to a quiet
villa and playing dominoes or whatever.  That's not my plan, at any
rate (in 25 years)!http://www.aoa.gov/prof/Statistics/statistics.asp-F
On Jan 24, 2008 12:03 AM, Sandra Andina  wrote:
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19) From: raymanowen
Instructions-
Maybe were still in Japanese, which, for SFO is a non- issue.
 2,137,400 Yen! Now, that's a bunch.
Cheers, Mabuhay, ting hoan h -RayO, aka Opa!
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20) From: Sandra Andina
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Exactly, Floyd--those Dennis Hopper commercials are spot-on. We  
boomers aren't exactly looking forward to shuffleboard and the Early  
Bird Special. (Dominoes? Only with a stiff Cuban coffee and on a  
serious bet).
Sandy Andina
www.myspace.com/sandyandina
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Exactly, Floyd--those Dennis =
Hopper commercials are spot-on. We boomers aren't exactly looking =
forward to shuffleboard and the Early Bird Special. (Dominoes? Only with =
a stiff Cuban coffee and on a serious bet).
 Sandy Andinawww.myspace.com/sandyandina 
On Jan 24, =
2008, at 7:53 AM, Floyd Lozano wrote:
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21) From: Angelo
These should answer your questions...http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=b3JcOndpcGU&feature=relatedhttp://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=wjH1hzl-Iq0
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