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Topic: OT: Roasting Beans & Dog Seizures (27 msgs / 649 lines)
1) From: Lynne
Forgive me for posting yet another OT subject, but I can think of no other
place to ask for thoughts & experience.
I mentioned before that my Emma, (Border Collie, not daughter) was having
seizures. These are sporadic, and while she was diagnosed with these, no
tests such as an MRI or CT scan was ever taken (don't even get me started -
I'm headed out to small claims court this morning about the bill owed for
this to Angel Memorial in Boston... so much for the millions of money
allotted for low-income residents of Massachusetts!).
Anyway, it occurred to me the last time I roasted - last wk - that she
started having seizures just about the time I started roasting greens, about
1 1/2 yrs ago. What if the smell fr the roasting is maybe not *causing*, but
perhaps *triggering* the seizures?
I closed the door to the kitchen the last time, opened the windows
(freezing, of course), and roasted about 4 mason jars of beans.But the smell
permeates the whole apt., no matter what I do.
She had four seizures w/in the next 24 hrs, and none since.
Now I'm afraid to roast again - yes, I know this could be a test, but I feel
so helpless when she goes through these. I don't have a heat gun - roasting
outside could be an alternative. I have a friend who is interested in
roasting - going to ask her if she has one.
I won't be on my computer until tonight, or even tomorrow - have class, too,
and am really, really busy. But I thought if there's any chance that someone
might have some knowledge or source of information (I need to research more
than I have, but I'm swamped right now), it would be here...
Finishing up a smooth cappacino made from Nicargua Matagalpa Pacamara
Peaberry, steamed 2% milk, and nothing else. Mmmm.
Lynne

2) From: Brett Mason
Glad the cappo machine is working out.  I was surprised at how well it does
for a simple home machine...
I roast outside on the patio with a popper in the winter, and with a BBQ
once the snow clears enough for me to get to it...  Maybe Emma needs you
roasting outside...  bundle up.  Oh - I put the popper down low where I can
look through the window at progress, and pull the roast based on color, and
how many beans are flying out into the snow...
Cheers,
Brett
On Jan 25, 2008 7:29 AM, Lynne  wrote:
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Cheers,
Bretthttp://homeroast.freeservers.com

3) From: Rich Adams
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4) From: seth Grandeau
Lynne,
 
What is your roast setup?  I use an iRoast2 and my wife has been bothered b=
y the roasting smells (she has asthma).  I now use a dryer hose to vent the=
 smoke outside and I set up an air purifier in the room I roast in.  I furt=
her augment this with a fan at the door to that room, blowing in (in the ho=
pe that this helps keep the smoke outside).  It has definitely improved the=
 situation for us.
 
Good luck!
 
-Seth
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5) From: Allon Stern
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On Jan 25, 2008, at 8:29 AM, Lynne wrote:
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I suffer from migraines, which are a seizure-related disorder. I'm  
lucky in that I don't get the crushing headaches very often, but I do  
get the visual phenomena, and some cognitive and behavioral effects  
from them.
Anyway, I've noticed that sometimes, when other conditions are right,  
such as lack of sleep, lack of food, some food triggers (popcorn is  
one), and some unidentifiable variables, that coffee smell is enough  
to trigger a migraine. In particular, I remember being okay one  
morning, and walking into the office, where I was hit by a wave of  
coffee smell, and just then the visual aura started. I've noticed it  
several times since.
So I'd say that maybe you're onto something. And with some things  
that lead up to migraines, there is a lag time, which makes it tough  
to nail down just what led to that migraine.
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On Jan 25, 2008, at 8:29 AM, Lynne wrote:
Anyway, it = occurred to me the last time I roasted - last wk - that she started = having seizures just about the time I started roasting greens, about 1 = 1/2 yrs ago. What if the smell fr the roasting is maybe not = causing, but perhaps triggering the = seizures? I suffer from = migraines, which are a seizure-related disorder. I'm lucky in that I = don't get the crushing headaches very often, but I do get the visual = phenomena, and some cognitive and behavioral effects from = them.
Anyway, = I've noticed that sometimes, when other conditions are right, such as = lack of sleep, lack of food, some food triggers (popcorn is one), and = some unidentifiable variables, that coffee smell is enough to trigger a = migraine. In particular, I remember being okay one morning, and walking = into the office, where I was hit by a wave of coffee smell, and just = then the visual aura started. I've noticed it several times = since.
So = I'd say that maybe you're onto something. And with some things that lead = up to migraines, there is a lag time, which makes it tough to nail down = just what led to that migraine.
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6) From: Allon Stern
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On Jan 25, 2008, at 10:20 AM, seth Grandeau wrote:
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Have you tried putting forced ventilation on the roaster? Just the  
hose was not enough; even with the forced ventilation, my wife still  
complains about the roasting smells (she doesn't have asthma, but  
doesn't like the smell)http://www.radioactive.org/pix/roaster/index.htmlshows how I vented  
my iRoast2.
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On Jan 25, 2008, at 10:20 AM, seth Grandeau =
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What is your roast = setup?  I use an iRoast2 and my wife has been bothered by the roasting = smells (she has asthma).  I now use a dryer hose to vent the smoke = outside and I set up an air purifier in the room I roast in.  I = further augment this with a fan at the door to that room, blowing in (in = the hope that this helps keep the smoke outside).  It has definitely = improved the situation for = us.   Have you tried = putting forced ventilation on the roaster? Just the hose was not enough; = even with the forced ventilation, my wife still complains about the = roasting smells (she doesn't have asthma, but doesn't like the = smell)
http://www.radi=oactive.org/pix/roaster/index.html shows how I vented my = iRoast2.
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7) From: seth Grandeau
Allon,
I saw your previous post and it did get me thinking.  I was having a proble=
m, initially, with the hose just "hanging" out the window.  It would droop =
down and smoke would "well up" in the hose, backing into the room.  I bough=
t a solid striaght tube at HomeDepot with a flap at the end (in the dryer h=
ose section).  This carries the smoke a good 2 feet outside my window and e=
liminated the "well".  The smell is still there, but it has lessened.  Mayb=
e that tube extension, combined with your forced ventilation may solve it! =
 And, of course, don't roast when the wind is blowing the smoke back at the=
 house. :)
From: allon: Re: +OT: Roasting Beans & Dog SeizuresT=
o: homeroast: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 11:08:51 -0500
On Jan 25, 2008, at 10:20 AM, seth Grandeau wrote:
What is your roast setup?  I use an iRoast2 and my wife has been bothered b=
y the roasting smells (she has asthma).  I now use a dryer hose to vent the=
 smoke outside and I set up an air purifier in the room I roast in.  I furt=
her augment this with a fan at the door to that room, blowing in (in the ho=
pe that this helps keep the smoke outside).  It has definitely improved the=
 situation for us. 
Have you tried putting forced ventilation on the roaster? Just the hose was=
 not enough; even with the forced ventilation, my wife still complains abou=
t the roasting smells (she doesn't have asthma, but doesn't like the smell)http://www.radioactive.org/pix/roaster/index.htmlshows how I vented my iRo=
ast2.
-
allon
Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser!http://biggestloser.msn.com/=

8) From: Treshell
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I would start here http://doggiediets.com/play around on the site and learn what you can.
Then go to her on line group, join and ask where the best list on seizures
is?
groups.yahoo.com/group/K9Kitchen/join/
treshell

9) From: Jamie Dolan
Hello Lynne;
Yes, It is possiable.  Seziures can be triggered by smell sight,
sound, touch, etc.  However the coffee roasting would not have been
the direct cause.  A healthy dog, cat, person, does not have a
seziure, regardless of the stimuli.
I highly suggest you look into a healthy diet and joint our mailing
list rawchat and rawfeeding on yahoogroups.com.
I have heard from more than one person that they have had very good
sucess with controal of seziures by using a B vitimin complex.  I do
not know enough about this to advise you on the subject.
Please come joing the lists one on yahoo.  If you don't have time for
both lists, please join raw chat and pose your question / dogs
situation there.  There will be people that will help you put your dog
on a proper natural diet and they will help with the seziure issue as
well / make reccomendations as to what the best thing to do is.
Link to the yahoo page where you can join Raw Chat:http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/RawChat/Link to the page where you can join Raw Feeding: (both links on yahoo
groups and both are completely free - be warned with raw feeding in
particular there is a lot of e-mail that comes in ever day.)http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/There may not be a connection between roasting and the sezuires, but
the possibility is there.  I would take whatever precautions are
necessary to protect your dog untill you have the situation figured
out.
Your welcome to ask me any questions you like and I will do my best to help.
Best of luck;
Jamie
p.s. I have found that the costa beans that I was complaining about
being bitter last week are just excellent when allowed to rest for a
day or  two after roasting per the suggestions of the group.
p.p.s. Any word yet on what the New batch of Yehmen is going to be
like and when it might made it in and be ready to ship?

10) From: Larry English
Hi Lynne,
  Our 3-yr-old cat Billy had a seizure about 3 weeks ago, so we had him
throughly checked out by the vet a couple of days later, with nothing out of
normal range showing up; he then had another seizure within a week.  This
was the first time it had happened, and they were "grand mal" type seizures,
though lasting only a couple of minutes.  I suspected smells as a trigger,
and Joyce pointed out after the 2nd one that she had been starting a lot of
hyacinth bulbs indoors and that they had begun blooming - they're very
fragrant.  Billy is a very 'nosy' cat, more than most I've had (I've been
breeding, showing, and enjoying cats for almost 40 years), and he had been
running around the house sniffing all the flowers.  So we moved the flowers
outside and he has not had another seizure since.  No proof here, of course,
but more anecdotal evidence to put in the pot.  Our vet said that there is
quite a bit more known about dog seizures than for cats, but even then not a
whole lot is understood.  She was interested in root causes, but I'm more
concerned about triggers, and I have little doubt about the scent-trigger
for Billy (wood-knocking being heard).
  By the way, I moved my coffee roasting kit out to an unheated garage last
summer and it's been working fine - but we're in the SF Bay Area and the
temps in the garage are rarely below 50F in the winter.  Anyway, keeping the
roasting and the dog apart seems like a reasonable thing to me.
  But I could be wrong ...
Larry

11) From: Lynne
Thank you everyone for your input. I feed my dogs homemade food, have been
for a long time. While I am concerned that they are getting the best
nutrition possible, right now it's the roasting smells that concern me.
And, of course, my son decided to drink lots yesterday, so I'm out already.
I had a great cappacino (still wonderful, Brett!) this morning, but need to
roast more - and now I'm afraid. I don't have a set-up to roast outside, and
even if I did, I just got off the phone w/my daughter - she told me that
even when I used to cool the beans outside, you could smell that inside
(insulation is poor). (The only place I could roast would be on the porch,
outside my kitchen).
The only other alternative might be - a friend of mine told me she'd like to
learn how to roast. Possibly, I might be able to roast over her house - but
this is not going to be easy, since she lives in the next town.
Emma hasn't had a seizure since I last roasted - the last thing I want to do
is trigger another one.
Rich - I'll do a search for canine epilepsy forums. Didn't even think of
that...
I have to run to get my eyeglass prescription filled (I'll really have
withdrawal symptoms if I can't read the list, in addition to not being able
to roast!!!). More later...
Lynne

12) From: Larry English
Update on Cat Epileptic Seizures:
  I reported that my cat Billy had two seizures that we believed to be
triggered by very fragrant hyacinths we were starting inside.  We moved them
all outside (Billy is strictly an indoor cat) and thought the problem was
resolved - but no, this morning Billy had another 2-minute seizure, and we
can't pin down anything that might have triggered it.  He's fine now - these
seizures are not themselves life-threatening but are very scary for us and
puzzling for him.  I still feel that the strong scents are triggers but now
there is something else at work.  I was once very good at diagnosing
problems, but that was on operating systems for mainframe computers, not
operating systems of living critters.  More observation and insight is
needed, clearly.
Larry
On Jan 26, 2008 8:04 AM, Lynne  wrote:
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13) From: Aaron
Then again, a shovel cost less than $10.
Just another option.
Aaron

14) From: Larry English
Hmmm ... must be jerk-my-chain day.  Find a topic where you can contribute,
dude ...
On Jan 26, 2008 12:08 PM, Aaron  wrote:
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15) From: Floyd Lozano
Very thoughtful and considerate input.  Always appreciated.
On Jan 26, 2008 3:08 PM, Aaron  wrote:
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16) From: Aaron
You are quite welcome Floyd.
Im here to please
Aaron

17) From: kevin creason
lesson #1-
don't expect much intelligence, class, sympathy and other desirable traits
(such as unselfish behavior) from someone with an email address of
"beerbong". The good news is these traits *tend* to begin to grow in people
as they mature, so there is some hope that he will grow into a real boy, and
hopefully a man.
On Jan 28, 2008 8:07 PM, Floyd Lozano  wrote:
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-Kevin
Admit your errors before someone else exaggerates them. - Andrew V. Mason

18) From: Brett Mason
Hmmmm - may need another shovel?
  Rufus
On 1/29/08, kevin creason  wrote:
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Cheers,
Bretthttp://homeroast.freeservers.com

19) From: Sean Cary
One he gave someone a Behmor as a surprise gift...he provides tons of advice
and guidance to new roasters -he has the unselfish part down (as far as I
can tell).
BUT he used to be a Navy Chief - that explains the rest - I mean ask any
Marine about Navy Chiefs...I've got a few from the last 18 years.
Been on the list for over 2 years - Aaron was making a joke...a joke in poor
taste, but a joke nonetheless.
Heck, this is nothing compared to some of the firefights we have had here.
Ask Ginny to sing a Christmas jingle and see where that goes!
Sean
Outta here soon...and REALLY, REALLY ready to go.
On Jan 29, 2008 6:18 PM, kevin creason  wrote:
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Sean M. Cary
Major USMC
Tempus Fugit, Memento Mori

20) From: TERRY TITSWORTH
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Sean, your response was right on the mark. I know a bit about Navy
Chiefs also, my oldest brother (18 months my senior-big deal) retired as
Master Chief Petty Officer, Norfolk, VA. 28 years in the US Navy can do
things to your sense of taste.
 
 
TerryT
 
P.S. I have a shovel leaned on the back door frame for my wife/daughters
dog. (they argue who's it is)  AND she has been shown the instrument of
my delight.
From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Sean Cary
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 10:57 AM
To: homeroast
Subject: Re: +OT: Roasting Beans & Dog Seizures
 
One he gave someone a Behmor as a surprise gift...he provides tons of
advice and guidance to new roasters -he has the unselfish part down (as
far as I can tell).
BUT he used to be a Navy Chief - that explains the rest - I mean ask any
Marine about Navy Chiefs...I've got a few from the last 18 years.
Been on the list for over 2 years - Aaron was making a joke...a joke in
poor taste, but a joke nonetheless.
Heck, this is nothing compared to some of the firefights we have had
here.
Ask Ginny to sing a Christmas jingle and see where that goes!  
Sean
Outta here soon...and REALLY, REALLY ready to go.
On Jan 29, 2008 6:18 PM, kevin creason  wrote:
lesson #1- 
don't expect much intelligence, class, sympathy and other desirable
traits (such as unselfish behavior) from someone with an email address
of "beerbong". The good news is these traits tend to begin to grow in
people as they mature, so there is some hope that he will grow into a
real boy, and hopefully a man.
On Jan 28, 2008 8:07 PM, Floyd Lozano  wrote:
Very thoughtful and considerate input.  Always appreciated.
On Jan 26, 2008 3:08 PM, Aaron  wrote:
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unsvbscribes) go tohttp://sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings<Snip>-- 
-Kevin
Admit your errors before someone else exaggerates them. - Andrew V.
Mason
-- 
Sean M. Cary
Major USMC
Tempus Fugit, Memento Mori 

21) From: kevin creason
then I follow the advice of my sig, and I admit I jumped to conclusions and
apologize. Sorry, Aaron.
To quote the great Walter Mitty (the Kaye movie, not in Thurber's original
piece)-
"(my) small mind is muscle bound with suspicion. That's because all the
exercise (I) get is from jumping to conclusions!"
On Jan 29, 2008 10:56 AM, Sean Cary  wrote:
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-Kevin
Admit your errors before someone else exaggerates them. - Andrew V. Mason

22) From: Kris McN
Being nice to one person doesn't give you a free pass to act like a total
tool to someone else, Navy Chief or not.  Just saying...
Kris McN

23) From: Treshell
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Folks you may not see it as you are not seeing the man as he talks  but I
think HUMOR when I read it.
treshell

24) From: Bryan Wray
I happen to enjoy a beerbong from time to time... haha.  Just so long as there isn't good beer in it, because you know if I am to the point of drinking from a beer bong that I stopped being able to taste the beer a long time ago... (0:
-Bry
 
Bryan Wray
NaDean's Coffee Place
Kalamazoo, MI
"It is my hope that people realize that coffee is more than just a caffeine delivery service, it can be a culinary art"- Chris Owens of Cafe Grumpy in NYC.
       
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25) From: Aaron
Don't worry about it kevin,  I aint....    no need to apologize.
Aaron

26) From: Aaron
Ill write you a sympathy chit and give you a key to the weep locker kris. 
Aaron

27) From: Eddie Dove
Yup ... what Sean said ...
I was the recipient of that Behmor!  And, I can tell you that Aaron
thoroughly enjoyed being that generous, which happened to include $20
Sweet Maria's gift certificates to a dozen people on this list.
Eddie
-- 
Stop telling God how big your storm is.
Instead, tell the storm how big your God is.
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