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Topic: OT Monday! (18 msgs / 646 lines)
1) From: miKe mcKoffee
Four months eights days later a 500+# crate is scheduled to be delivered!
Best (optimistic) guess another month before completely installed and in
production.
Subject OT because while most definitely about roasting, not home roasting.
Yeah I know, remember to bring in the camera:-)
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2) From: Brett Mason
Mike I disagree.
I am pretty sure the roaster goes in your new home - at least the place you
spend the most time...
NIce to hear it's on its way...
Brett
On 1/25/08, miKe mcKoffee  wrote:
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3) From: Woody DeCasere
Nice, i also started a small roasting company with a few guys, our 45lb
Primo was just delivered yesterday and she is a beaut. But we will have her
installed and running by Monday, can't wait to roast on it!
On Jan 25, 2008 12:50 PM, Brett Mason  wrote:
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4) From: miKe mcKoffee
You got that right! At least almost right. I probably do spend almost as
much physical total time in a week at home but the vast majority of that
time is working, with a little time out for eating and sleeping:-)
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[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Brett Mason
	Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 9:51 AM
	To: homeroast
	Subject: Re: +OT Monday!
	
	Mike I disagree.  
	 
	I am pretty sure the roaster goes in your new home - at least the
place you spend the most time...
	 
	NIce to hear it's on its way...
	Brett
	
	On 1/25/08, miKe mcKoffee  wrote: 
		Four months eights days later a 500+# crate is scheduled to
be delivered!
		Best (optimistic) guess another month before completely
installed and in
		production.
		
		Subject OT because while most definitely about roasting, not
home roasting.
		
		Yeah I know, remember to bring in the camera:-)
		
		Kona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffee
	http://www.mcKonaKoffee.com		URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:
	http://www.mckoffee.com/		Ultimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path.
To know I must
		first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each
Personal enlightenment
		found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who
have gone before.
		
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5) From: miKe mcKoffee
Dang Woody you call 45# batch capacity small!
Then realized you meant roaster weight;-) 
FWIW uncrated the USRC will only be around 400#...
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[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Woody DeCasere
	Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 9:59 AM
	To: homeroast
	Subject: Re: +OT Monday!
	
	Nice, i also started a small roasting company with a few guys, our
45lb Primo was just delivered yesterday and she is a beaut. But we will have
her installed and running by Monday, can't wait to roast on it!
	
	On Jan 25, 2008 12:50 PM, Brett Mason  wrote:
	
		Mike I disagree.  
		 
		I am pretty sure the roaster goes in your new home - at
least the place you spend the most time...
		 
		NIce to hear it's on its way...
		Brett
		
		On 1/25/08, miKe mcKoffee  wrote: 
			Four months eights days later a 500+# crate is
scheduled to be delivered!
			Best (optimistic) guess another month before
completely installed and in
			production.
			
			Subject OT because while most definitely about
roasting, not home roasting.
			
			Yeah I know, remember to bring in the camera:-)
			
			Kona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffee
		http://www.mcKonaKoffee.com			URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:
		http://www.mckoffee.com/			Ultimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a
solitary path. To know I must
			first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each
Personal enlightenment
			found exploring the many divergent foot steps of
Those who have gone before.
			
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6) From: Les
My USRC is suppose to be done and shipped by the end of the week.
Les
(Weight 150 pounds in the crate.)
On 1/25/08, miKe mcKoffee  wrote:
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7) From: Michael Dhabolt
miKe and Les,
I wish I could think of something acceptable that was really off
color, curmudgeonly and grumpy to say.  You'll have to settle for a
plea to be notified when you guys get to feeling accomplished with
your new roasters (and a place in the yard for me to camp out for a
couple of days) so I can pick your brains.
A local customer of mine (he'll soon have two shops with LMs that I've
restored / moded) is supposed to be taking delivery on a 10K Probat in
the near future.  Somehow he has developed the attitude (I've tried to
dissuade him) that I may be able to help him learn how to use his new
acquisition.  He isn't taking me seriously when I tell him that after
he sets it up in my garage for six months ... I may be able to give
him some hints.
So .... the "picking your brain" comment is not entirely in jest.
Mike (just plain)

8) From: miKe mcKoffee
There are places for those entering the commercial roasting arena with squat
for experience to go and learn. Yes some charge mucho bucks to teach people
to run professionals roasters, learn profiling and cupping basics etc.
Other's will give you a couple days hands on one on one with your roaster at
no additional charge if you're buying a roaster from them. (IE US Roaster
Corp.) In fact Joseph (of this list) is leaving shortly for a week long
course he's paying for. As it should be.
No, I'll not be giving years of hard earned experience away for free. The
dude will pay his dues one way or the other, ain't no short cuts.
Realistically he should expect to pay someone easily a $100hr or more to
come to his site to teach him to use his roaster. 
Or buy roasted from someone who has paid their roasting dues until he learns
or pay someone who knows how to run his roaster for him until he learns.
Business is business and it's cut throat out there. Way too many people
getting into various aspects of coffee with little to no experience peddling
trash as gourmet coffee. I'll have no part of it.
Tain't the same thing as sharing how to's home roasting for personal use on
a List like this. Let him spend 5 or 10 years home roasting then I'd share
anything I could to help him go professional.
Kona Kurmudgeon miKe mcKoffee
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9) From: Joseph Robertson
Mike,
Yes, this is what I like most about you, "No Holds Barred" You tell it like
it is. How could any clear headed coffee nut not consider you a mentor.
That's mentor not tutor. As you point out it takes years to develop roasting
skills. Everyone pays there own way one way or another.
Regarding trash for coffee, I find it very interesting how the Speciality
Coffee market is evolving. Second Wave *Bucks came along and tickled our
taste buds. Many became very happy and developed big smiles and a strong
desire to buy more,(and still do). Now many others decided that *$'s beans
were over done or otherwise lacking. So was born the Third Wave like you
Mike.
As the Specialty Coffee market zooms forward I believe the population of
coffee geeks and so called snobs will only grow.
So my take on folks jumping into the market thinking they can roast coffee
like you and others who have years of BWT's invested is this,
Their learning curve will continue as long as they can afford to keep their
doors open. If word gets out they have trash for coffee.
They will go get training, bring training in like you mention, or like is
very common, hang it up and keep their day job.
One thing we can count on for sure is that more bad roasted coffee out there
will only drive folks to your door and to those that really know what they
are doing.
Business like water has a way of leveling its self out. Hopefully to your
benefit.
JoeR
On Jan 25, 2008 8:48 PM, miKe mcKoffee  wrote:
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10) From: Les
A bit harsh Mike, but true.  With 22 plus years under the roaster of various
kinds, I am still learning.  It reminds me of the guy who had to have a drag
boat when my Dad, brother and me were racing.  He copied everything we had,
except he thought it would be smart to put a V-Drive in that had a reverse.
He asked a lot of questions, and even drove a couple of boats.  Of course he
had to put a 426 Hemi in his even though we told him it was too heavy.
Another guy set up the balance point correctly.  Well the first time at the
lake he was going to show off his reverse, not knowing many of the basics of
a good Drag boat especially the fact that dead in the water the back of the
boat has about a 3 inch draft and the angle of the prop isn't right for a
reverse.  One stomp on the throttle and he sucked that 18 foot flat bottom
right to the bottom of the lake!  We didn't know if we should laugh or cry!
You have to pay your dues!  Some times the price is steep.
Les
On Jan 26, 2008 11:32 AM, Joseph Robertson  wrote:
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11) From: miKe mcKoffee
Yeah, maybe sounded a bit harsh. But I'll tell ya. The dude seems to
obviously have money or wouldn't be opening two coffeehouse locations and
have a Probat on the way. Money to throw at the "coffee game" or so it
seems. Not someone who loves coffee, who lives and breaths coffee, someone
who quality comes first whatever the cost financially or personally. Just
someone who wants to make money off coffee and people. I highly doubt he'd
be willing to work 12 to 16 hours a day 7 days a week for months to make his
"coffee game" a reality. One day off since November 1st, no joke, and not
complaining. So yeah, I'm a bit fried from following a dream and have zero
tolerance or time for ilk who just want to cash in on coffee.
OTOH I could be wrong and totally off base about the guy, I certainly don't
know him. 
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found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before.
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[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Les
	Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 9:20 PM
	To: homeroast
	Subject: Re: +OT Monday!
	
	A bit harsh Mike, but true.  With 22 plus years under the roaster of
various kinds, I am still learning.  It reminds me of the guy who had to
have a drag boat when my Dad, brother and me were racing.  He copied
everything we had, except he thought it would be smart to put a V-Drive in
that had a reverse.  He asked a lot of questions, and even drove a couple of
boats.  Of course he had to put a 426 Hemi in his even though we told him it
was too heavy.  Another guy set up the balance point correctly.  Well the
first time at the lake he was going to show off his reverse, not knowing
many of the basics of a good Drag boat especially the fact that dead in the
water the back of the boat has about a 3 inch draft and the angle of the
prop isn't right for a reverse.  One stomp on the throttle and he sucked
that 18 foot flat bottom right to the bottom of the lake!  We didn't know if
we should laugh or cry!  You have to pay your dues!  Some times the price is
steep.
	 
	Les
	
	On Jan 26, 2008 11:32 AM, Joseph Robertson 
wrote:
	
		Mike,
		Yes, this is what I like most about you, "No Holds Barred"
You tell it like it is. How could any clear headed coffee nut not consider
you a mentor. That's mentor not tutor. As you point out it takes years to
develop roasting skills. Everyone pays there own way one way or another. 
		Regarding trash for coffee, I find it very interesting how
the Speciality Coffee market is evolving. Second Wave *Bucks came along and
tickled our taste buds. Many became very happy and developed big smiles and
a strong desire to buy more,(and still do). Now many others decided that
*$'s beans were over done or otherwise lacking. So was born the Third Wave
like you Mike. 
		As the Specialty Coffee market zooms forward I believe the
population of coffee geeks and so called snobs will only grow. 
		So my take on folks jumping into the market thinking they
can roast coffee like you and others who have years of BWT's invested is
this,
		Their learning curve will continue as long as they can
afford to keep their doors open. If word gets out they have trash for
coffee. 
		They will go get training, bring training in like you
mention, or like is very common, hang it up and keep their day job. 
		One thing we can count on for sure is that more bad roasted
coffee out there will only drive folks to your door and to those that really
know what they are doing. 
		Business like water has a way of leveling its self out.
Hopefully to your benefit.
		JoeR 
		On Jan 25, 2008 8:48 PM, miKe mcKoffee 
wrote:
		
			There are places for those entering the commercial
roasting arena with squat
			for experience to go and learn. Yes some charge
mucho bucks to teach people
			to run professionals roasters, learn profiling and
cupping basics etc.
			Other's will give you a couple days hands on one on
one with your roaster at
			no additional charge if you're buying a roaster from
them. (IE US Roaster
			Corp.) In fact Joseph (of this list) is leaving
shortly for a week long
			course he's paying for. As it should be.
			
			No, I'll not be giving years of hard earned
experience away for free. The
			dude will pay his dues one way or the other, ain't
no short cuts.
			Realistically he should expect to pay someone easily
a $100hr or more to
			come to his site to teach him to use his roaster.
			
			Or buy roasted from someone who has paid their
roasting dues until he learns
			or pay someone who knows how to run his roaster for
him until he learns.
			Business is business and it's cut throat out there.
Way too many people
			getting into various aspects of coffee with little
to no experience peddling
			trash as gourmet coffee. I'll have no part of it.
			
			Tain't the same thing as sharing how to's home
roasting for personal use on
			a List like this. Let him spend 5 or 10 years home
roasting then I'd share
			anything I could to help him go professional.
			
			Kona Kurmudgeon miKe mcKoffee
			
			www.mcKonaKoffee.com  
			URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:
		http://www.mckoffee.com/			Ultimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a
solitary path. To know I must
			first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each
Personal enlightenment
			found exploring the many divergent foot steps of
Those who have gone before.
			
			Sweet Maria's List - Searchable Archives
		http://themeyers.org/HomeRoast/			
			>

12) From: raymanowen
"...many others decided that *$'s beans were over done or otherwise lacking.
So was born the Third Wave."  [*$'s- Starbuckses?]
That's what you heard- who knows what they really thought?
Artists do not depend on their environment to endorse or excoriate their
work. Historically, many have not survived to receive any recognition at
all. Happily, they exist. A few appreciate their work and support them.
Cheers -RayO, aka Opa!
On Jan 26, 2008 12:32 PM, Joseph Robertson  wrote:
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-- 
"When the theme hits the bass, I dance the Jig!" - -Virgil Fox at the Mighty
Wichita (ex- NYC Paramount) WurliTzer- 1976

13) From: Joseph Robertson
That was supposed to be Blood Sweat and Tears, BS&T's Not BWT's. Sorry if I
confused anyone other than myself.
JoeR
On Jan 26, 2008 11:32 AM, Joseph Robertson  wrote:
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14) From: Woody DeCasere
actually it is a 45 pound capacity roaster, and believe me we are still a
small roaster, it is only slightly larger than toms 12 kilo probat.
here is a link to the page you can see us unloading it from the crate, thats
me with the black hair and orange sweatshirt.http://www.flickr.com/photos/7690094/2218434070/in/set-72157603789641006/On Jan 27, 2008 2:00 AM, Joseph Robertson  wrote:
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-- 
Genius does what it must, and Talent does what it can.
Owen Meredith Earl of Lyttonhttp://www.decasere.blogspot.com/

15) From: Joseph Robertson
Woody,
Please let us know when you get her named. We are in the process of naming
our baby probat 5L.These commercial units are so sexy they deserve names.
JoeR
On Jan 28, 2008 12:10 PM, Woody DeCasere  wrote:
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16) From: Floyd Lozano
Oy, 4 - 9 years to go before miKe likes me, if even then! ;)
-F
On Jan 25, 2008 11:48 PM, miKe mcKoffee  wrote:
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17) From: Cameron Forde
Your 45 lb roaster is 50% larger than Tom's 12 kg Probat.  At 2.2
lb/kg he can roast 30 lb.
Cameron
On Jan 28, 2008 12:10 PM, Woody DeCasere  wrote:
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ceforde

18) From: miKe mcKoffee
Not a matter of "like"! If he had 5 to 10 years home roasting experience
good chance could figure out how to use his Probat on his own so wouldn't
take any of the time I don't have:-)
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first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment
found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before.
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