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Topic: WTB Small Commercial Espresso Machine (14 msgs / 411 lines)
1) From: Mejia, Carlos
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Has anyone out there done research and can share their knowledge on
small commercial espresso machines?   I occasionally see them on
Craigslist. Is buying used machine a huge risk?  Any suggestions on how
to determine if a used one is worth it's price?  I'm supposing it would
be rather stupid to buy one without hooking it up and taking it for a
test drive, but sometimes they are in a warehouse and not set up. What
price range should I expect?  I don't want to spend a fortune but want
one that will hold up to moderate volumes of daily use.  Are there only
a few brands that I should consider and maybe some to stay away from?
Any advise highly appreciated!   ~carlos

2) From: Brett Mason
Hi Carlos,
I bought a UNIC Diva circa 1991 machine...  I also bought two UNIC Phoenix
machines...  My Diva worked for a year - beautiful, plumbed in...  When the
circuit boards went out and I was facing another many hundred to fix it, I
started the Frankenspresso project...
I currently have three chassis, one mostly assembled Phoenix, but with more
chrome cause I moved all the good parts to one machine...  Everything seems
OK except the grouphead, and plumbing inside a tank.  Somehow the heater
heats, the pump pressurizes, the water doesn't go all the way to the
grouphead (something stuck or something), and the pressure relief valve
washes my kitchen with a broadly dispersed spray...  I have swapped
everything except the tank from the original - which is what is next.  Dave
Kvindlog and I will undertake that project when the warmer temp of spring
comes...
I have read virtually millions of stories of $150 CraigsList purchases that
resulted in a $90 additional part and they were good for hundreds of
years....  I believe it, still.  I just haven't hit it, and am down about
$1,000 on my french venture - a UNIC experience...
At Christmas I picked up the Oscar from Sweet Marias' Sale and Clearance
page...  Works great!
Anybody else would spend $250 all told and have a great espresso
experience.  Not me!
Your mileage might vary!
Brett
On Jan 26, 2008 10:22 AM, Mejia, Carlos  wrote:
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Cheers,
Bretthttp://homeroast.freeservers.com

3) From: Joseph Robertson
Carlos,
I personally have been Leary of Craigs List. You truly can get ALMOST
anything you want on Craigs list. I recently bought a Used Gaggia Baby on
Ebay. I do a lot of business on Ebay both by and sell. If you take your time
and look closely at the sellers stats and profile you can usually get a good
to fair deal. The problem with Craigs list I have found is that you can't
find out much about the seller. So your left with the only good option like
you mention, to visit the person and plug in the item or some how try it
before you buy it. Which in many cases is not possible so your left with the
assurance/guarantee or what ever you can get from the seller.
Just my 2 cents to add you your breakfast of responses this am.
JoeR
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4) From: Joseph Robertson
To Brett and Carlos,
Brett,you make a great case for "proceed with caution".
I too have had way too many experiences much the same. I'm going a little OT
here but I will track back in a moment. I just want to relate my xmas xbox
experience with my grandson. Being the techno geek I am I love to tear
things apart, (especially computers or computer driven things,  and fix
them. Well sometimes I actually fix them. Not the 200.00 3 ring of death
xbox which turned into 450.00 in no time at all. I bought the bullet and
bought him a working unit and all is well. I had wonderful thoughts of
teaching my 10 year old grandson how easy it is to fix stuff like this.
Daaaa, the lesson was not what I hoped for.
Same goes for fixing espresso machines. Carlos now that I think about it I
believe your best bet would be to hopefully find someone on this list who
has one too many machines and would part with one.
This list is very broad with some very wonderful people on it. So far they
have my complete trust.
Tom seems to find the best in the way grassroots coffee people.
Cheers,
JoeR
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5) From: J. Jones
I'm partial to the Pasquini Livia 90 for low to moderate business use. 
You can get it with a water holding bin, or for a little more, you can 
get one with a water input line, like a refrigerator.
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6) From: Mejia, Carlos
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Hey guys... thanks for the quick responses.  Yes, I'm very leary of CL
due to the lack of any knowledge about the seller's reputation.   I
would probably never purchase a machine that I couldn't run through some
paces first, which means my search would be limited to the Portland
area.  My friend who wishes to startup a biz with me was exclaiming
about a La Marzocco machine listed on CL for $2500.  It has 4 heads and
apparently is installed (or at least was installed when the pictures
were taken), so possibly we could take a look at it working.   I know a
bit about roasting, and making espresso in a small home machine, but
essentially nothing about using a larger commercial machine (neither
does my friend).  It's very unlikely that we would purchase this machine
without learning a lot more. I'm hoping to pick some brains here and
gather some info here on brands, what to look for and what to stay away
from and perhaps a rough price range. 

7) From: Lisa J. Carton
i absolutely LOVE my Rancilio S27---there is one NOW on ebay too...not unusual to see them listed at 1k and up at all......this look slke a good deal.....i'd buy a backup if i had the money!  
  http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item(0194342461&ssPageNameRK:MEWA:IT&ih8   
  you can find out a good deal about it online--i have done some work on it and getting parts has been easy.......
   
  Good luck!!!
   
"Mejia, Carlos"  wrote:
        st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) }                Hey guysÖ thanks for the quick responses.  Yes, Iím very leary of CL due to the lack of any knowledge about the sellerís reputation.   I would probably never purchase a machine that I couldnít run through some paces first, which means my search would be limited to the Portland area.  My friend who wishes to startup a biz with me was exclaiming about a La Marzocco machine listed on CL for $2500.  It has 4 heads and apparently is installed (or at least was installed when the pictures were taken), so possibly we could take a look at it working.   I know a bit about roasting, and making espresso in a small home machine, but essentially nothing about using a larger commercial machine (neither does my friend).  Itís very unlikely that we would purchase this machine without learning a lot more. Iím hoping to pick some brains here and gather some info here on brands, what to look for and what to stay away from and
 perhaps a rough price range. 
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8) From: Mejia, Carlos
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Thanks... looks like a very well conditioned machine and the price seems
very reasonable.  However, my impression is this is more of an upscale
consumer model than a low end commercial machine.  I'm thinking I
probably need at least two heads to keep up with a continuous output.
But...man I'd love to buy this for my home!  I have a used Gaggia that I
found on Craigslist for $50 that had a steam leak and needed some work.
I McGivered it to the point that it will make halfway decent espresso
but will not likely ever produce the elusive godshot.  ~carlos
From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Lisa J.
Carton
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 11:05 AM
To: homeroast
Subject: RE: +WTB Small Commercial Espresso Machine
 
i absolutely LOVE my Rancilio S27---there is one NOW on ebay too...not
unusual to see them listed at 1k and up at all......this look slke a
good deal.....i'd buy a backup if i had the money!  http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=280194342461&=ssP
ageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=018
 
 
you can find out a good deal about it online--i have done some work on
it and getting parts has been easy.......
 
Good luck!!!
 
"Mejia, Carlos"  wrote:
	Hey guys... thanks for the quick responses.  Yes, I'm very leary
of CL due to the lack of any knowledge about the seller's reputation.
I would probably never purchase a machine that I couldn't run through
some paces first, which means my search would be limited to the Portland
area.  My friend who wishes to startup a biz with me was exclaiming
about a La Marzocco machine listed on CL for $2500.  It has 4 heads and
apparently is installed (or at least was installed when the pictures
were taken), so possibly we could take a look at it working.   I know a
bit about roasting, and making espresso in a small home machine, but
essentially nothing about using a larger commercial machine (neither
does my friend).  It's very unlikely that we would purchase this machine
without learning a lot more. I'm hoping to pick some brains here and
gather some info here on brands, what to look for and what to stay away
from and perhaps a rough price range. 
 
 
 
 
 
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it now.
 

9) From: Joseph Robertson
Carlos,
If your serious about a commercial grade espresso machine used for a good
price give Holly Lenz a call Monday at Gold Star Restaurant Equipment &
Supply in Portland Oregon. (503)235-5766 or (877)733-9301. I think your in
this neck of the woods? I have purchased quite a few pieces of used
equipment from them and am very happy with both their used equipment and
especially their service. Randy the owner is very knowledgeable. He used to
be a commercial roaster and knows espresso machines from considerable
experience. Last I looked they have a 3 grp La Marzocco in good condition
for a decent price. I can't remember how much but I do know this machine an=
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the tag he had on it was very reasonable. The best part about buying from
them is they have all espresso machines gone through by a professional
before they let you take the unit off store room floor.
Give them a call. Tell Holly Joe from Joe and Linda's or JoLinda Coffee
Roastery and Wine Shop gave you the lead.
JoeR
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10) From: raymanowen
"Pasquini Livia 90"
Are you well versed on the thing? It was recommended to me by a commercial
equipment seller before I had done any other reading or research. Now that =
I
have done a little reading and thinking, the fact that the machine is
recommended for any kind of business use- this from a non-barista sales
hawker type- I find myself partial to the machine. Partially  no, and
partially  NO WAY!
For business use, all you have to do is match the competition, 99% of which
is mediocre on a good day. The 5 of 1000 shops that always do a satisfying
espresso shot, probably don't use any Pasquini Livia 90 maker.
Cheers, Mabuhay, tiÍng hoan hŰ, enjoy -RayO, aka Opa!
If it's shiny chromed Marine Brass, it's a recommended espresso machine or =
a
'56 DeSoto...
On Jan 26, 2008 10:13 AM, J. Jones  wrote:
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11) From: miKe mcKoffee
Carlos,
 
I'd suggest you spend some time on espresso focused forums like
Home-Barista.com and professional forums like baristaguildofamerica.com
asking questions about equipment for professional use. You'll likely get a
broader base of experience on the class of equipment you'll be needing for
commercial use. (Don't expect machines like a Livia 90 to be suggested!)
 
You live in Portland? As in Oregon not Maine? If you want to see what a
Linea is capable of pulling stop by our Kafe on the other side of the
Columbia sometime:-)
 
Kona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffeehttp://www.mcKonaKoffee.com 
URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://www.mckoffee.com/Ultimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must
first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment
found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before.
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[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Mejia, Carlos
	Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 9:17 AM
	
	Hey guys. thanks for the quick responses.  Yes, I'm very leary of CL
due to the lack of any knowledge about the seller's reputation.   I would
probably never purchase a machine that I couldn't run through some paces
first, which means my search would be limited to the Portland area.  My
friend who wishes to startup a biz with me was exclaiming about a La
Marzocco machine listed on CL for $2500.  It has 4 heads and apparently is
installed (or at least was installed when the pictures were taken), so
possibly we could take a look at it working.   I know a bit about roasting,
and making espresso in a small home machine, but essentially nothing about
using a larger commercial machine (neither does my friend).  It's very
unlikely that we would purchase this machine without learning a lot more.
I'm hoping to pick some brains here and gather some info here on brands,
what to look for and what to stay away from and perhaps a rough price range.

12) From: Mejia, Carlos
Thanks for the great advice Mike.  Yes... Portland, Oregon.  You
probably don't remember me from the PNWG 'cause you were busy hosting
and I was only able to stay a short time...missing dinner and the upside
down treat you were making.  Hope to have more time this year.
carlos

13) From: Treshell
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I love CL.  I often look all over the country because most people will ship,
most take PayPal.  The problem I see with your LM is that the same machine
tends to be on most of the CL list in the USA.  Worse its been on those list
for at least a year.   OH and its often on the list in Costa Rica:>
This one I would stay away from for sure.
treshell

14) From: Mejia, Carlos
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Ooohh thanks for the warning.  I'll have to watch for that!   ~carlos
From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Treshell
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 5:47 PM
To: homeroast
Subject: Re: +WTB Small Commercial Espresso Machine
 
	My friend who wishes to startup a biz with me was exclaiming
about a La Marzocco machine listed on CL for $2500.  I
I love CL.  I often look all over the country because most people will
ship, most take PayPal.  The problem I see with your LM is that the same
machine tends to be on most of the CL list in the USA.  Worse its been
on those list for at least a year.   OH and its often on the list in
Costa Rica:>
This one I would stay away from for sure.
treshell 


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