This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Has anyone out there done research and can share their knowledge on small commercial espresso machines? I occasionally see them on Craigslist. Is buying used machine a huge risk? Any suggestions on how to determine if a used one is worth it's price? I'm supposing it would be rather stupid to buy one without hooking it up and taking it for a test drive, but sometimes they are in a warehouse and not set up. What price range should I expect? I don't want to spend a fortune but want one that will hold up to moderate volumes of daily use. Are there only a few brands that I should consider and maybe some to stay away from? Any advise highly appreciated! ~carlos
Hi Carlos, I bought a UNIC Diva circa 1991 machine... I also bought two UNIC Phoenix machines... My Diva worked for a year - beautiful, plumbed in... When the circuit boards went out and I was facing another many hundred to fix it, I started the Frankenspresso project... I currently have three chassis, one mostly assembled Phoenix, but with more chrome cause I moved all the good parts to one machine... Everything seems OK except the grouphead, and plumbing inside a tank. Somehow the heater heats, the pump pressurizes, the water doesn't go all the way to the grouphead (something stuck or something), and the pressure relief valve washes my kitchen with a broadly dispersed spray... I have swapped everything except the tank from the original - which is what is next. Dave Kvindlog and I will undertake that project when the warmer temp of spring comes... I have read virtually millions of stories of $150 CraigsList purchases that resulted in a $90 additional part and they were good for hundreds of years.... I believe it, still. I just haven't hit it, and am down about $1,000 on my french venture - a UNIC experience... At Christmas I picked up the Oscar from Sweet Marias' Sale and Clearance page... Works great! Anybody else would spend $250 all told and have a great espresso experience. Not me! Your mileage might vary! Brett On Jan 26, 2008 10:22 AM, Mejia, Carlos wrote: <Snip> -- Cheers, Bretthttp://homeroast.freeservers.com
Carlos, I personally have been Leary of Craigs List. You truly can get ALMOST anything you want on Craigs list. I recently bought a Used Gaggia Baby on Ebay. I do a lot of business on Ebay both by and sell. If you take your time and look closely at the sellers stats and profile you can usually get a good to fair deal. The problem with Craigs list I have found is that you can't find out much about the seller. So your left with the only good option like you mention, to visit the person and plug in the item or some how try it before you buy it. Which in many cases is not possible so your left with the assurance/guarantee or what ever you can get from the seller. Just my 2 cents to add you your breakfast of responses this am. JoeR On Jan 26, 2008 8:22 AM, Mejia, Carlos wrote: <Snip>
To Brett and Carlos, Brett,you make a great case for "proceed with caution". I too have had way too many experiences much the same. I'm going a little OT here but I will track back in a moment. I just want to relate my xmas xbox experience with my grandson. Being the techno geek I am I love to tear things apart, (especially computers or computer driven things, and fix them. Well sometimes I actually fix them. Not the 200.00 3 ring of death xbox which turned into 450.00 in no time at all. I bought the bullet and bought him a working unit and all is well. I had wonderful thoughts of teaching my 10 year old grandson how easy it is to fix stuff like this. Daaaa, the lesson was not what I hoped for. Same goes for fixing espresso machines. Carlos now that I think about it I believe your best bet would be to hopefully find someone on this list who has one too many machines and would part with one. This list is very broad with some very wonderful people on it. So far they have my complete trust. Tom seems to find the best in the way grassroots coffee people. Cheers, JoeR On Jan 26, 2008 8:33 AM, Brett Mason wrote: <Snip>
I'm partial to the Pasquini Livia 90 for low to moderate business use. You can get it with a water holding bin, or for a little more, you can get one with a water input line, like a refrigerator. Mejia, Carlos wrote: <Snip>
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Hey guys... thanks for the quick responses. Yes, I'm very leary of CL due to the lack of any knowledge about the seller's reputation. I would probably never purchase a machine that I couldn't run through some paces first, which means my search would be limited to the Portland area. My friend who wishes to startup a biz with me was exclaiming about a La Marzocco machine listed on CL for $2500. It has 4 heads and apparently is installed (or at least was installed when the pictures were taken), so possibly we could take a look at it working. I know a bit about roasting, and making espresso in a small home machine, but essentially nothing about using a larger commercial machine (neither does my friend). It's very unlikely that we would purchase this machine without learning a lot more. I'm hoping to pick some brains here and gather some info here on brands, what to look for and what to stay away from and perhaps a rough price range.