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Topic: Behmor after 50+ roasts (14 msgs / 304 lines)
1) From: Les
Someone begged for profiles.  After 50 plus roasts and reading others
experiences here is where I am with my Behmor.  First I would like to thank
Alchemist John for getting me further down the road that I would be.  I like
to start my roaster empty on P1 and let it run for two minutes, and then I
run it on cool for two minutes before loading a half pound of beans in the
roaster.  I set my roaster on P2 for one pound.  This results in an 18
minute programed roast.  I roast a half pound with it set on one pound.
This results in the following for almost every coffee I have tried so far
City roast, hit the cool button at 14:30 minutes into the roast (3:30 left
on the timer)
City plus to Full city at 15 minutes (3:00 minutes left on the timer)
Full City to light Vienna  15:30 minutes into the roast (2:30 left on the
timer)
Vienna roast 16 minutes into the roast (2 minutes left on the timer)
I am convinced that this really is a half pound roaster that can do a pound
if you want to.  I am getting good results with a pound, but I have to
manipulate things way more than I would like to to get the same result as a
half pound roast.  With that said, I have set the roaster up with a pound of
good hard high grown beans and set it on P1 with no manipulation with good
results.  I would rate my half pound roasts as great roasts.
Another item of note, when the Behmor starts the cool cycle, the cooling fan
does not come on for about 30 seconds as the quartz heat tubes are allowed
to cool before getting blasted with air.  As long as I am adding some notes,
the large bean mass along the the chaff tray doesn't allow the Behmor to
cool fast enough for me with a full pound of coffee.  It does just fine with
a half pound of coffee.  I have never roasted a quarter pound roast, and
don't know if I ever will.
I keep my Behmor clean.  I wipe it out with Formula 409 after every roast.
I do the half pound with no coffee after every 5 roasts as Joe instructs.  I
vacuum it out before cleaning with 409 after every roast.  I get very
repeatable roasts.  There isn't much more you can ask for!  I still have
more profiles to play with too!  This roaster is way more flexible that I
thought at first, it is just a matter of learning how it works.  I hope the
above profiles will help some of you out.  Again, thanks to the group for
the shared wisdom, the above profiles happened for me faster due to the
group.
Les

2) From: Florida Randy
Les - Many thanks for those Behmor users with less roasts.  I"m hoping
the roasting blog will be a place where we can all add our Behmor roast
experience comments to the roast notes Tom posts.  Thanks again.
Randy in FLorida
On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 22:01:31 -0800, "Les"  said:
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3) From: Kris McN
Well, ok then.  Now I can get a Behmor.  Thanks, Les!
Kris McN

4) From: Kris McN
I realized after I posted my last message that it may read as sarcastic.  It
isn't meant to be.  Not even a little bit.
Kris McN

5) From: Treshell
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 Yes I hope so as well.  Did you get beans this week?  I plan to get both
green and roasted next week.  No time this week.  I sure hope lots of you
get it rolling along!
Treshell

6) From: Dave Ehrenkranz
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Les.
Thanks for the valuable information. Although I have had my Behmor  
since Nov 17 I do not have the expertise you have and I am currently  
on my 37th roast using the Behmor (just under 22 lbs). Today I  
roasted some Sulawesi Wet Process Toarco and using your method.
I roasted 232 grams on P2 starting with 18min. First crack started  
rolling with 7:44 left on timer (I had outliers at 8:33 & 7:59), and  
was done with 6:00 left on timer, I think I started to get second  
crack with around 3min 45 sec left in roast and I stopped the roast  
at 3 min 40 sec.
Monday I also used your method with a different bean and had 1st  
crack start with about 7:30 min left I time. But before the end of  
first crack some chaff must have ignited and the roaster shut down  
with an Err3 message ("Coffee beans have burned or the oven chamber  
has experienced an unacceptable rise in heat") and I was not able to  
finish the process. The GREAT news is the roaster is working fine today.
I was curious how these times compare to yours? If you don't mind and  
if your records are easily accessed I would love to see some of the  
details you have for arrival and finish of 1st and 2 cracks for some  
of your roasts. Again, only if this is easy for you to provide.
BTW: Yesterday my wife and I became grandparents for the first time.  
Our granddaughter Azalea is fine should be coming home tomorrow. We  
will be leaving the house shortly to go visit her and the proud parents.
Yeye (grandpa in Chinese) Dave
On Jan 26, 2008, at 10:01 PM, Les wrote:
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Les.Thanks for the valuable =
information. Although I have had my Behmor since Nov 17 I do not have =
the expertise you have and I am currently on my 37th roast using the =
Behmor (just under 22 lbs). Today I roasted some Sulawesi Wet Process Toarco =
and using your method.
I roasted 232 grams on P2 = starting with 18min. First crack started rolling with 7:44 left on timer = (I had outliers at 8:33 & 7:59), and was done with 6:00 left on = timer, I think I started to get second crack with around 3min 45 sec = left in roast and I stopped the roast at 3 min 40 = sec.
Monday I also used your = method with a different bean and had 1st crack start with about 7:30 min = left I time. But before the end of first crack some chaff must have = ignited and the roaster shut down with an Err3 message ("Coffee beans have burned or the oven = chamber has experienced an unacceptable rise in heat") and= I was not able to finish the process. The GREAT news is the roaster is = working fine today.
I was curious how these = times compare to yours? If you don't mind and if your records are easily = accessed I would love to see some of the details you have for arrival = and finish of 1st and 2 cracks for some of your roasts. Again, only if = this is easy for you to provide.
BTW: Yesterday my wife and I = became grandparents for the first time. Our granddaughter Azalea is fine = should be coming home tomorrow. We will be leaving the house shortly to = go visit her and the proud parents.
Yeye (grandpa in Chinese) = Dave
On Jan 26, = 2008, at 10:01 PM, Les wrote:
Someone= begged for profiles.  After 50 plus roasts and reading others = experiences here is where I am with my Behmor.  First I would like to = thank Alchemist John for getting me further down the road that I would = be.  I like to start my roaster empty on P1 and let it run for two = minutes, and then I run it on cool for two minutes before loading a half = pound of beans in the roaster.  I set my roaster on P2 for one pound. = This results in an 18 minute programed roast.  I roast a half pound = with it set on one pound.  This results in the following for almost = every coffee I have tried so far   City roast, = hit the cool button at 14:30 minutes into the roast (3:30 left on the = timer) City plus to Full city at 15 minutes (3:00 minutes = left on the timer) Full City to light Vienna  15:30 minutes = into the roast (2:30 left on the timer) Vienna roast 16 = minutes into the roast (2 minutes left on the timer)   = I am convinced that this really is a half pound roaster that can do = a pound if you want to.  I am getting good results with a pound, but I = have to manipulate things way more than I would like to to get the same = result as a half pound roast.  With that said, I have set the roaster = up with a pound of good hard high grown beans and set it on P1 with no = manipulation with good results.  I would rate my half pound roasts as = great roasts.   Another item of note, when the = Behmor starts the cool cycle, the cooling fan does not come on for about = 30 seconds as the quartz heat tubes are allowed to cool before getting = blasted with air.  As long as I am adding some notes, the large bean = mass along the the chaff tray doesn't allow the Behmor to cool fast = enough for me with a full pound of coffee.  It does just fine with a = half pound of coffee.  I have never roasted a quarter pound roast, and = don't know if I ever will.   I keep my Behmor = clean.  I wipe it out with Formula 409 after every roast.  I do the = half pound with no coffee after every 5 roasts as Joe instructs.  I = vacuum it out before cleaning with 409 after every roast.  I get very = repeatable roasts.  There isn't much more you can ask for!  I still = have more profiles to play with too!  This roaster is way more = flexible that I thought at first, it is just a matter of learning how it = works.  I hope the above profiles will help some of you out.  Again, = thanks to the group for the shared wisdom, the above profiles happened = for me faster due to the group.   = Les = --Apple-Mail-1-77090477--

7) From: Barry Luterman
Mazel Tov Zaeda and Bubba (Yiddish) That just drove my spell checker nuts.
On Jan 30, 2008 9:49 AM, Dave Ehrenkranz  wrote:
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8) From: Larry English
This is great info, Les.  The only things remaining for me are the basket
(suitability for small beans) and reliability/longevity (which can only be
determined in a year or so).  Every roaster I've had has had a problem
within (sometimes right at) a year after purchase.  If the Behmor hold up
better than that, I'm in. Again, thanks for a great, relevant post.
Larry
On Jan 26, 2008 10:01 PM, Les  wrote:
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9) From: Rich
Larry, if you remember Bryan is running 3 of them 12+ hours a day.  I do 
not expect the service life of the Behmor will be anything close to the 
retreaded corn poppers.
Larry English wrote:
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10) From: Alchemist John
Hrm, that rather sounds like Bryan is voiding his warranty.  It isn't 
meant as a commercial unit.
Regardless, IMO (having striped down three of them) it is a very 
sturdy and well thought out machine.  It will be interesting to see 
how they hold up over the years, but my suspicion is well, but time will tell.
At 21:17 2/1/2008, you wrote:
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John Nanci
AlChemist at large
Zen Roasting , Blending & Espresso pulling by Gestalthttp://www.chocolatealchemy.com/

11) From: Rich
I would suspect the short service life part is the heating element.  i 
have no idea of its estimated life but I have seen other applications 
that use a similar element and they last a very long time, many years.
Alchemist John wrote:
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12) From: Joseph Robertson
Hey,
It's important to push the warranty envelope to get a real idea of how well
this unit was designed and built. If anyone is positioned to do that it
would be Bryan Wry. I saw his setup. He is one class act.
I'm sure JoeB is watching with interest what all of us are doing with his
new baby. Go Behmor's and all who embrace them. We have our own Superbowl
going here.
JoeR
On 2/2/08, Rich  wrote:
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13) From: Rich
Startup testing is an interesting time in the product development cycle.
Joseph Robertson wrote:
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14) From: Larry English
On Feb 2, 2008 7:30 AM, Rich wrote:
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That sounds reasonable, Rich, but it was the heater box that failed on my
Gene Cafe, about a week before the warranty expired (1 yr), and it was a
heating element that failed in the iRoast2, also just under 1 yr.  In both
cases I ran the devices according to the maker's directions, not trying to
do consecutive roasts without cooling between.  I roast about 1.5 lb a week
on average.
But I sure hope the Behmor can hang in there a little longer than 1 yr
without repairs.
Larry


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