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Topic: Google "Shopping" (36 msgs / 795 lines)
1) From: J. Jones
Has anyone else seem this?  I'll bet you've got to pay to get your site 
listed, at least in the Right-Side frame, but also some 'ranking' fee to 
get listed in the top 10 for the main page frame.
Here is the product search for "green coffee"http://www.google.com/products?q=Green+Coffee&btnG=Search+Products&hl=en&show=ddIf anyone is selling Roasted Whole Bean, here's another avenue!

2) From: Rich
Now you know how the Google brats became multi-billionaires...
J. Jones wrote:
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3) From: Joseph Robertson
At first glance one would think that is cool or maybe even a good deal. I'm
going into the retail business relating to coffee and fine wines. Part of my
training is grading coffee, no doubt I would say the same thing if I was
selling green beans which I am not, I quote "these *green* *coffee* beans
are some of the finest in the world". Untill you see a grading report of the
coffee your buying one has no idea what they are buying. If by some chance I
was selling " SOME OF THE FINEST GREEN COFFEE IN THE WORLD"
On Jan 27, 2008 8:05 AM, J. Jones  wrote:
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4) From: J. Jones
Unfortunate that marketing does not have a checksum.  They can say what 
they want with no repercussions as for the truth.. and maybe they were 
"SOME OF THE FINEST GREEN COFFEE IN THE WORLD" ,  but the green is three 
years old... who would know; at least the majority of the consumers or 
newbie home roasters would not.  That's how I've always felt about "Ebay 
Green Coffee", old and unwanted for some reason; and I could be entirely 
wrong about the ebay green coffee.. just unsure and not so trusting of 
the sellers there.
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5) From: Joseph Robertson
At first glance one would think that is cool or maybe even a good deal. I'm
going into the retail business relating to coffee and fine wines. Part of my
training is grading coffee, no doubt I would say the same thing if I was
selling green beans which I am not, I quote "these *green* *coffee* beans
are some of the finest in the world". Until you see a grading report of the
coffee your buying one has no idea what they are buying. If by some chance I
was selling " SOME OF THE FINEST GREEN COFFEE IN THE WORLD" I would, or at
least I would offer to supply the grading report to back up my sales pitch.
This google page goes to show how much interest there is in green coffee/
home and small commercial roasting. Buttttt, buyers beware.
It takes very few sour or bad beans to totally spoil the lot.
If you really want "SOME OF THE FINEST GREEN COFFEE IN THE WORLD" you will
seek out a hands on buyer like Tom and Maria and buy greens though them.
Orrrrr, spend a bunch of money and learn how to grade and buy from a
wholesaler yourself.
As I have failed to do many times myself in "my learn as I go approach to
life" .....Read the fine print. If you don't see any fine print ask why.
Then get the fine print. There is always fine print. If you really want a
good deal, you will have to dig deep for it. If you just want some cheep
coffee beans that is exactly what you will get.
As Mike McKoffee said in a previous OT Monday post, " Way too many people
getting into various aspects of coffee with little to no experience peddling
trash as gourmet coffee. I'll have no part of it." Now there likely peddling
trash for greens.
I want to take all this as far as I can and help make sure that people that
want the best know how to get it.
Educate yourself and you have a chance to educate others.
All this typing has me thirsty for a good cupajo, I'll get off my soap box
and make some.
Cheers,
JoeR
On Jan 27, 2008 8:05 AM, J. Jones  wrote:
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6) From: Joseph Robertson
Mr Jones,
You hit the nail on the head with two words, I should take a lesson from you
on how to get to the point with out the soap box "Trusted Sellers"
Get yourself one of these and you will have a really good chance of buying
good beans.
JoeR
On Jan 27, 2008 9:01 AM, J. Jones  wrote:
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7) From: Brett Mason
I know Google is a predator, and evil, and all.
Did you notice that Google is FREE to us?  Turns out they still have to pay
the bills...
OMG this is terrible - they are trying to control the world!  I see a
Conspiracy here.
Help,
Black Helicopters!!!!!!
  Brett
On Jan 27, 2008 10:05 AM, J. Jones  wrote:
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8) From: J. Jones
Thanks Joe.  I'm good with my sources.. Tom is great, and I'll sometimes 
buy the 130 - 150lb bags from Royal, Holland or Montanos Bros. in the 
San Francisco Bay Area; generally Royal. Now there's Zephyr too, started 
by some of the folks from Royal.
Jeff
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9) From: Rich
Now, Brett, think about this real hard.  If Google, or any body else 
charges a business for a service how does the business recover this 
cost?  Maybe from the customer?  You, the customer ar paying for this 
"service" that is why you do not see Sweet Maria's in the top row or 
right bar, saves on the greens price.
There is no free lunch, ever
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10) From: J. Jones
LOL, I was pointing out that you'll be paying to get listed/ranked 
there, and that it's a sales avenue for anyone selling coffee.
I've done work for Google, as well as 1/2 the other High-Tech companies 
in Silicon Valley....   I know their business.  :-)
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11) From: Joseph Robertson
Brett,
OT? Who needs to conspire, it's just a natural order of things. I am google,
you are google,  In time you will all comply, "resistance is futile" <];^)
Enough fun for the day.
JoeR
On Jan 27, 2008 9:17 AM, Brett Mason  wrote:
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12) From: Joseph Robertson
Jeff,
I had a hunch you been in this neck of the woods much longer than I. I have
been roasting and cupping some samples from Zephyr to get an idea what they
are selling. I can tell for a fact that when it comes to grading they fall
down when you compare them to Toms greens. We found a couple that passed
muster but I was really surprised. Don't ask me which too, my partner has
the notes on her computer and she is in Egypt as I write this. No not for
good coffee, just a cruise down the nile. She left me behind to shovel snow.
Darn.
Best Regards Jeff,
JoeR
On Jan 27, 2008 9:30 AM, J. Jones  wrote:
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13) From: Joseph Robertson
Jeff,
Thanks for pointing this out. One of these days I hope to get our website
up. Given the politics of it all I think we will start off more informative
than a sales avenue.
Cheers,
Joe
On Jan 27, 2008 9:37 AM, J. Jones  wrote:
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14) From: Brett Mason
Funny - actually I am not paying for this service at all...  Sure somebody
is...
I can see no reason to abandon this FREE service (FREE2me) - and a hearty
THANK YOU goes out to you who pay my way!
Woo Hoo 4 Yooooo
  Brett
     enjoying my free lunch!
On Jan 27, 2008 11:31 AM, Rich  wrote:
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15) From: Floyd Lozano
You pay by giving them data.  Your use helps them compile statistics,
and in a few years when whatever data you entered (email,
spreadsheets, documents) is no longer protected communication (if it
even is now) they have a wealth of information to use to figure out
how you think and sell stuff better.  You pay by ceding privacy, which
is no big deal if you don't care - then it's just inexpensive, not
free ;)
-F
On Jan 27, 2008 1:45 PM, Brett Mason  wrote:
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16) From: True, Dennis W. FC1 (CVN69)
(over in the corner starting the chant..) free lunch...Free Lunch...FREE
LUNCH
Hehehehe I'm so evil!
Dennis

17) From: Brett Mason
Floyd...  Rich...  Guys....
Rule of Black Helicopters:
  There will be Helicopters.
  Some will be black...
Here's the secret:
  Businesses Advertise.
     -OMG- who knew?
  Businesses track purchases.
     -some even use computers-
  EVEN Grocery Stores do this!
So what you are saying is - the businesses on the right of my Google screen
are ADVERTISING?
  Oh lord, here it comes....
The statistics will tell you:  Advertising there doesn't get any moneys from
the Brett Mason household.
  THEY ADVERTISE THERE ANYWAY!
But good point.  Ya know, Wilbur, I have begun to see advertisements other
places too!  There was one on TV today.  I forget the product.  Three
businesses are thinking of advertising on TV during the upcoming Patriot
Bowl.  There is even a new bill board in town.  And I haven't even met Bill.
This advertising stuff is taking over.  They use lights too.  Global
Warming.  And statistics.
Beware the free stuff.  It isn't free.  OK, so it doesn't cost anything.  Bu
that's not free.  It will cost you.  Soon.   Later.  When?  And there's
Mercury in the Tuna.  How'd they get that out of the sky?
Enjoying the Iowa Global Warming of 43 today!
Brett
On 1/28/08, Floyd Lozano  wrote:
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Cheers,
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18) From: Floyd Lozano
The only point I was trying to make didn't come accross, I am not
great with words.  I am not saying you pay with dollars in any way.
You pay with data.  Your use is essentially a great big survey that
tells what interests you, what you know about, what people you hang
out with, which in turn tells what they are interested in.  Like I
said, it's inexpensive to you.  They don't care that you actually BUY
anything, only that you tell them the stuff you are interested in.
They sell the information to companies that are willing to gamble that
they can sell you their product if they flash it in your face enough.
Google doesn't have to sell you a thing, they just have to convince
advertisers there's a decent chance that you are interested in what
they are selling.   It's the worlds largest ad supported newspaper
with free applications to boot.  You probably don't buy most of the
crap advertised in free newspapers or on broadcast TV or radio either.
 The difference there is that you don't actually reveal yourself with
data in the way that you do with your use of the 'free' intarweb
programs.  But again, it's as cheap as you think it is! =)  As far as
advertising, and your seeming belief that you don't pay for no
advertised goods nohow, unless you buy exclusively local and never big
brand names, advertising is in the budget.  So neener.
-F
On Jan 28, 2008 11:02 AM, Brett Mason  wrote:
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19) From: Aaron
If you are so scared that your privacy is being invaded then stop using 
the internet.
Stop going to stores.
Stop using credit cards.
Stop walking down the street.
Go find a scooby doo van and live in a prairie somewhere..  oops, forgot 
spy satellites.  ... better make that a cave.... a deep one.
Aaron

20) From: Floyd Lozano
That's convenient, since I'll be looking for a deep cave to shelter
myself from the coming icepocalypse.  But who said anything about
scared?  You can choose fear or indifference for yourself.  Don't read
anything alarmist into my statements.  They are simply statements.  I
find it more cause for fascination than fear, personally.  I worked
for a startup that developed software to mine email data stores for
information.   At its simplest, it was able to determine, based on
keyword analysis, contextual analysis, authored content, received
content, etc, it was able to graph who knew what and how well, and
determine how best to find intermediaries between unrelated people to
pass along that knowledge (useful in areas like law and consulting).
Around April of 2001, an 'unnamed Federal agency' visited us to look
at what our software could do and took great interest in the
capabilities.  Google takes it a step further, not to find out how
best to share knowledge, but how that knowledge and interest in
knowledge can be translated into potential sales, sales they don't
even have to make, but only convince others they can make if they bid
high enough for the ad space.  It is what it is.  Don't reduce it to a
black helicoptorist alarmist go live in a van down by the river
argument, nor assume intent from what others write, lest you become a
Google yourself!
-F
ps the startup tanked - they based their software on Lotus Notes
instead of Exchange.  Wups!
On Jan 28, 2008 7:30 PM, Aaron  wrote:
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21) From: Brett Mason
I can't believe yu would send this across the INTERNET.
Rufus
On Jan 28, 2008 7:59 PM, Floyd Lozano  wrote:
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22) From: seth Grandeau
I look at it this way, the better the job Google does with the data, the mo=
re likely that I'll see product offers I might be interested in buying, rat=
her than random ads I'm not interested in.
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enient, since I'll be looking for a deep cave to shelter> myself from the c=
oming icepocalypse. But who said anything about> scared? You can choose fea=
r or indifference for yourself. Don't read> anything alarmist into my state=
ments. They are simply statements. I> find it more cause for fascination th=
an fear, personally. I worked> for a startup that developed software to min=
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mine, based on> keyword analysis, contextual analysis, authored content, re=
ceived> content, etc, it was able to graph who knew what and how well, and>=
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s along that knowledge (useful in areas like law and consulting).> Around A=
pril of 2001, an 'unnamed Federal agency' visited us to look> at what our s=
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ver> argument, nor assume intent from what others write, lest you become a>=
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 Lotus Notes> instead of Exchange. Wups!> > On Jan 28, 2008 7:30 PM, Aaron =
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s being invaded then stop using> > the internet.> > Stop going to stores.> =
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23) From: True, Dennis W. FC1 (CVN69)
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
Free Lunch! Free Lunch! 
 
hehehehehe

24) From: Brett Mason
I think if we setup an encampment across the street from the Courthouse, we
may finally Free Lunch!  But we'll need lots of picket signs, lemonade, and
a couple Hollywood types for publicity...
 Rufus
On 1/29/08, True, Dennis W. FC1 (CVN69)  wrote:
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25) From: John Despres
Hi, Rufus.
It's a shame Lunch has to be locked up this way. After all, what did 
Lunch do but satisfy people at mid-day? I mean, it's a free country - 
Lunch should be free.
Ruben
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26) From: Brett Mason
Ruben,
I am with you!  Lunch must be Free!
WillieBoy is waitin in the pickup, we got the shotguns on the rack, a
couple sixers of Bud, and we're headin to the courthouse!
See ya there! Rufus
On 1/29/08, John Despres  wrote:
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27) From: Brett Mason
Do you realize everybody who is reading this thread is using a
computer of some sort on the internet?
Did you know that these poeple go to sites?
And have you identified that these sites keep statistics?
Virtually 100% of subscribers to this list are causing the internet
data gathering.
You can move to Iowa, Kalona, and join the Amish.  They aren't on the
internet....  THAT is a safe place.
All others beware!
Now I AM more afraid of the black helicopters.
They're coming to git us.Annie, gichur gun!
Rufus
 (I am not using Brett, so they won't know it's me)
On 1/28/08, Floyd Lozano  wrote:
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28) From: Brett Mason
Do you realize everybody who is reading this thread is using a
computer of some sort on the internet?
Did you know that these poeple go to sites?
And have you identified that these sites keep statistics?
Virtually 100% of subscribers to this list are causing the internet
data gathering.
You can move to Iowa, Kalona, and join the Amish.  They aren't on the
internet....  THAT is a safe place.
All others beware!
Now I AM more afraid of the black helicopters.
They're coming to git us.Annie, gichur gun!
Rufus
 (I am not using Brett, so they won't know it's me)
On 1/28/08, Floyd Lozano  wrote:
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29) From: John Despres
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(I am not using Brett, so they won't know it's me)
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Your killing me.... That's funny!
Brett Mason wrote:
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John A C Despres
Hug your kids
616.437.9182
Scene It All Productions 
JDs Coffee Provoked Ramblings

30) From: Floyd Lozano
There's a difference between going to site to read stuff, which does
provide some information, and having private communication analyzed to
gather information.  Can you tell the difference?  Ruminate, Rufus.
Keep whipping the horse though, plenty seem to find amusement in it.
Again, I am not being alarmist, nor conspiracytheorist, or anythingist
except possibly risetoRufusbaitist.  This is not hush hush secret
stuff, dude.  I thought someone might find it interesting to know
what's possible.  Hey, you might even find it interesting to know it's
possible to determine who you are by analyzing known writing samples
and matching word order and frequency, among other things.
Criminologist stuff.
-F
On Jan 29, 2008 1:57 PM, Brett Mason  wrote:
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31) From: Brett Mason
Golly gee, Floyd.
Sounds a bit to me like what dem people said in the box, bak when I clicked
"I Agree" - likes dem Loyers always chekkin up on 'n stuff.
Now I don't think it's right to say "I Agree" or click "I Agree" if you just
be lieing.  That's wrong, like stealing Fred Jones' pig for the picnic.  Ya
woodn be sayin ta steel now woodja?
But I read da agreemint 'gen, and der was non of em Blak Hellcoppers der.
Maybe dey hangin round yur place cause o dat Colombian you makin smoke wit.
Or was dat sum Mexican green stuff?
SO, thanks lots, cuz dat's wut dey said too, 'n I agree.
But dey betta Free Lunch...Sheeeeeeeeueees
  Rufus
On 1/29/08, Floyd Lozano  wrote:
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32) From: Floyd Lozano
I don't see what any of this has to do with the technology, but it's
less entertaining than your previous posts.  Yet another casualty of
the writer's strike.
-F
On Jan 29, 2008 4:39 PM, Brett Mason  wrote:
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33) From: Joseph Robertson
Like way OT maybe?
Sheeeeeeeeueees   Rufus,
I thought you had a day job,,,,,or do trolls troll for trolls in this here
neck of the woods?
Signed,
Free yourself up for lunch why do ya. Ooops, now I'm trolling.
On Jan 29, 2008 2:05 PM, Floyd Lozano  wrote:
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34) From: Michael I
"Yet another casualty of the writer's strike."
-F
I think you mean the writers' strike -- unless you meant that only Brett,
er, Rufus, is on strike.  Sorry, Floyd, couldn't resist piling on when
you're possibly questioning his grammar (or at least his wit), yet doing so
in a grammatically incorrect manner.
-AdkMike
(Making no claim as to the correctness of my posts -- grammar or content)

35) From: Floyd Lozano
Not the grammar, the comedy, but thanks for the correction =)
-F
On Jan 29, 2008 6:11 PM, Michael I  wrote:
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36) From: Brett Mason
Me and Grampar were thinkin you were dissin Grammer....
Brett
   oops, I mean Rufus.
And I have a job.
  I think....
On Jan 29, 2008 5:26 PM, Floyd Lozano  wrote:
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