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Topic: Roasting Software (23 msgs / 867 lines)
1) From: Chuck Haines
So as I was sitting here going over the wonderful log sheets that John
sent me, I was thinking to myself, wouldn't it be wonderful if I had a
web app where I could keep all this data I'm collecting so I can share
it with others.  So I went searching for a web app and found nothing.
So being a software developer by trade I'm thinking of writing some
myself.  My question to everyone is
a) does this software exist right now? (I couldn't find any)
b) what kind of data would you log if you had the ability to and what
kind of data would you share with others
I'm thinking of making an open source app probably in php and mysql
and would love anyone's input especially once I start cranking out the
code.
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2) From: kevin creason
I would love that. I would also like it to inventory my coffee stash, and
support roasting/profiles for a couple of different roasters (Behmor, RK
drum, etc). Needs some security-- user being able to set what can be seen by
a guest and what is not. I'll help beta test, but I'm an admin, not a
developer.
I'm just getting going testing Terry's Palm app. It looks very complete and
thorough. Just not immediately or easily shareable.
On Jan 29, 2008 3:16 PM, Chuck Haines  wrote:
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3) From: Chuck Haines
The initial development will support the i-Roast since that's the one
I have, but I will certainly have the ability in the future to keep
logs for lots of different roasters.
On Jan 29, 2008 4:23 PM, kevin creason  wrote:
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4) From: Mejia, Carlos
I'm sure there would be a number of roasters who could make use of this
and provide you with some feedback.  I haven't yet set up a datalogger
for my iR2 but hope to do so in order to take advantage of something
like.  For me, I guess I would want to log;
Date
Bean/Source 
Roaster
Ambient temp
Bean mass temp over time
Finish roast level
Tasting notes
Do keep us all in the know on how this project goes!

5) From: Hendricks, Jason
Being a data tracking nut I would like something like this.  My idea is
to have a database type application with the top level being the been
type and lot and then specific roasts below that.  I would like to see
it track roast profile, notes, ambient temp, amount roasted, results
etc.  I would also like to see a section for cupping information where
the cupper can score it similar to SCAA rules.  
I think it would be nice to be able to call up a bean type and see what
I have done with it and what the results were.  I like my paper journal
but after a while the information gets lost in it.
Just my two cents...
Jason

6) From: Treshell
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Is it possible to have it so that people could log into it and add their
information on line?  In the dog world there are a couple of breeds that
have information on line that can be added to from anyone.  At the moment I
am blanking on the breeds, Maybe Scotties?
treshell

7) From: DJ Garcia
If you have MS Access, you can try this:
 
http://improbablystructuredlayers.net/CoffeeRoastingDB/CRDBHome.htmDJ
From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of kevin creason
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 4:23 PM
To: homeroast
Subject: Re: +Roasting Software
I would love that. I would also like it to inventory my coffee stash, and
support roasting/profiles for a couple of different roasters (Behmor, RK
drum, etc). Needs some security-- user being able to set what can be seen by
a guest and what is not. I'll help beta test, but I'm an admin, not a
developer.
I'm just getting going testing Terry's Palm app. It looks very complete and
thorough. Just not immediately or easily shareable.

8) From: Chuck Haines
Cool, I'll have to play around with that.  Maybe I can model something
online based on that.
I'm really looking to have this an online tool where people can log in
and input their own data and decide what data to share.
I'm starting the design work on it tonight.  I'll keep everyone
informed of how it goes and will definitely be looking for beta
testers and suggestions.
On Jan 29, 2008 7:40 PM, DJ Garcia
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9) From: Sean Cary
you can web enable Access DB's very easily...
Remind me when I get home...  I have an extensive movie collection at home
that I web enabled an Access database to maintain so I can hit it from any
PC in the home network...never published it to my public webpage, but it is
just as easy.
Sean
On Jan 30, 2008 5:07 AM, Chuck Haines  wrote:
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10) From: DJ Garcia
Web-enabling the back-end tables is normally not a big deal. But the magic
in my DB is in the GUI / front-end :-).
From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Sean Cary
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 2:27 AM
To: homeroast
Subject: Re: +Roasting Software
you can web enable Access DB's very easily...  
Remind me when I get home...  I have an extensive movie collection at home
that I web enabled an Access database to maintain so I can hit it from any
PC in the home network...never published it to my public webpage, but it is
just as easy.
Sean
On Jan 30, 2008 5:07 AM, Chuck Haines  wrote:
	Cool, I'll have to play around with that.  Maybe I can model
something
	online based on that.
	
	I'm really looking to have this an online tool where people can log
in
	and input their own data and decide what data to share.
	
	I'm starting the design work on it tonight.  I'll keep everyone
	informed of how it goes and will definitely be looking for beta
	testers and suggestions.
	
	On Jan 29, 2008 7:40 PM, DJ Garcia
	
	 wrote:
	> If you have MS Access, you can try this:
	>
	>http://improbablystructuredlayers.net/CoffeeRoastingDB/CRDBHome.htm	>
	> DJ
	>
	>
	>
	>
	> From: homeroast-admin
	> [mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of kevin
creason
	> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 4:23 PM
	> To: homeroast
	> Subject: Re: +Roasting Software
	>
	>
	> I would love that. I would also like it to inventory my coffee
stash, and
	> support roasting/profiles for a couple of different roasters
(Behmor, RK
	> drum, etc). Needs some security-- user being able to set what can
be seen by
	> a guest and what is not. I'll help beta test, but I'm an admin,
not a
	> developer.
	>
	> I'm just getting going testing Terry's Palm app. It looks very
complete and
	> thorough. Just not immediately or easily shareable.
	>
	>
	>
	>
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11) From: raymanowen
For the microprocessor controlled roasters, all of the control electronics
would be on a highly regulated power supply, and should be immune to power
line spikes, surges and brownouts.
The manufacturers feel compelled to save a nickel by installing a "bare
minimum" heater that runs continually, with the best case heat control
provided by a variable speed fan.
That works fine with solid line power, but everybody has differing power
line voltage, and the heat varies exponentially with the voltage. That
botches attempts to match the Veeblefetzer roast profiles of someone else.
With the same roaster, or the same model on different power line voltages,
it might be hard to recognize "identical" profiles and beans in the cup.
I would suggest monitoring and logging power line voltage on your end, and
the user monitoring his voltage, being aware that he might need to work to
stabilize his temperatures, install a buck/boost transformer or line
conditioner to feed volts to his Veeblefetzer. The roaster might be the
cheap part.
Cheers, Mabuhay -RayO, aka Opa!
Got Grinder?
On Jan 29, 2008 2:16 PM, Chuck Haines  wrote:
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12) From: Aaron
another thing to keep in mind.  especially with I roasts as an example.  
No two roasters are alike.   A few years ago,... or maybe a year ago,.. 
i forget.. I did an experiment I posted on here,  two I roasts,  
identical settings, identical amounts of beans, measured down to 1/10 a 
gram.  Both were majorly different in how they turned out.
Some run hot, some run cold, and Ive seen in my years of I roasting and 
using many many units that there seems to be some differences in the 
base programming as well.   One mode is to get up to heat and then vary 
the fan as it gets too hot... a later 'mod' was to keep the fan 
pulsating all through the cycle regardless once it started heating up..  
IMHO that mod, the pulse is more problematic than the original one.
I also kept tabs on the power consumption and power factor too down to 1 
/ 10th of a watt.  The power on the heating elements varied by as much 
as 50 to 75 watts too.  (ie one drew that much more power on the heater 
than the other).... in that small a bowl, that amount IS significant in 
your outcome.
Sorry to geek out on you but the bottom line is.  even under identical 
conditions, just because I might be able to do something on my 
machine... yours might spit out something entirely different.... any 
recipies or instructions that anyone gives you.  It's best to use that 
as more of a general guideline, or a starting point, instead of a law.  
I sure can tell you what *my* machine WILL do... what yours will do, is 
an educated guess at best.
Aaron

13) From: Tim Harvey
also include recommended rest & discard times for each bean, brewing methods that are good and not good for the bean/roast.
---- DJ Garcia  wrote: 
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If you have MS Access, you can try this:
 
http://improbablystructuredlayers.net/CoffeeRoastingDB/CRDBHome.htmDJ
From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of kevin creason
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 4:23 PM
To: homeroast
Subject: Re: +Roasting Software
I would love that. I would also like it to inventory my coffee stash, and
support roasting/profiles for a couple of different roasters (Behmor, RK
drum, etc). Needs some security-- user being able to set what can be seen by
a guest and what is not. I'll help beta test, but I'm an admin, not a
developer.
I'm just getting going testing Terry's Palm app. It looks very complete and
thorough. Just not immediately or easily shareable.

14) From: Chuck Haines
Yea, anything that is posted would just be a what has worked for me
here is a starting point kind of deal.  Nothing would be a here is the
exact times to use.
On Jan 30, 2008 8:57 PM, Aaron  wrote:
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15) From: ries van Twisk
Woul'it it be nice to have an online tool?
I never roasted myself, but the software for doing that doesn't sound  
to hard.
Ries
On Jan 31, 2008, at 10:50 AM, Chuck Haines wrote:
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Phone: + 1 810-476-4193

16) From: Sean Cary
I prefer to roast the beans - it would be pretty painful to roast myself...
Sean
Gonna get Toasted when I get home...and roast some coffee...just not at the
same time.
SINGLE DIGIT MIDGET UNTIL I AM HOME!!!  Not just until I leave Iraq!!!!
On Jan 31, 2008 7:06 PM, ries van Twisk  wrote:
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17) From: Brian Zambrano
Hi everyone,
I don't check this list all that often, so I'm coming to this thread late.
It's funny, because I've been working on exactly this for the past couple of
months.  I have pretty much everything going that people have mentioned,
charts, different roasters, input profiles, beans, ambient
temperature....etc.  The only thing I haven't built in yet is the cupping
information which is a great suggestion.  My plan was to finish the
application and then announce it to the list.  All of the data is stored in
a database on my end, so all you need in order to save/get your data is an
internet connection and a web browser.
Currently, it's just running on my Mac Mini at home.  I still need to polish
up some of the functionality and get my designer friend to actually give
some style to it (colors, some layout, etc.).
This is all in my spare time, so it's been a bit slow.  I work as a
programmer all day but this is one project that has been really fun to work
on even when I come home.
If anyone is interested, I can set up a few beta user accounts and let you
play with it.  However, I'd warn you that it's still *very* rough....like,
pre-alpha rough.  Also, as it'd be hosted on my machine at home it will be a
bit slower than the final product (which will be hosted at a real colo).
Brian
On Jan 29, 2008 6:07 PM, Chuck Haines  wrote:
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18) From: John Despres
Congratulations, Sean!!!
Enjoy the trip.
John
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19) From: Chuck Haines
I'd be very interested in giving it a whirl and even helping out with
coding if you needed it.  I've got web space if you need some to host
the site once you want other people to start using it.  I'd be happy
to give some space on my codemonkeyjava.com site.
--chuck
On Jan 31, 2008 12:31 PM, Brian Zambrano  wrote:
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20) From: Dustin Fluke
Wow. I too, like others, have started on something similar. Something 
that had roasting profiles, etc. with private and public data. I'll 
admit everything is still mostly on paper or in my brain, as I haven't 
began to construct anything. I've been passionate about access to 
information on the web, including a lot of database/webapp types of 
things. I like doing that type of work.
I've also been frustrated by single user / flat file types of systems 
because they are just so limiting. Sure, Access may work for a lot of 
people, but it silos all that data. I feel that in a community 
environment, why not share the love and share the data you have. Most of 
this work I wanted to do is in response to a fluid bed roaster I want to 
build, but now I'm thinking since there are others into the same type of 
thing, I may focus on the roaster part of things. Who knows. I look 
forward to seeing your results!
Dustin
Chuck Haines wrote:
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21) From: Dustin Fluke
I'd also be interested in testing out the application...hopefully I can 
finish my roaster soon.
Brian Zambrano wrote:
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22) From: Mejia, Carlos
Yeah!  That's it... sorta like a wiki-roasta-pedia!

23) From: Barbara Greenspon
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As a dyed-in-the wool Mac person, I would love to see this.  I'd be  
glad to play with a beta version!
Thanks,
Barbara
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As a dyed-in-the wool Mac =
person, I would love to see this.  I'd be glad to play with a beta =
version!
Thanks,
Barbara

On Jan 31, = 2008, at 11:31 AM, Brian Zambrano wrote:
Hi = everyone, I don't check this list all that often, so I'm coming = to this thread late. It's funny, because I've been working on = exactly this for the past couple of months.  I have pretty much = everything going that people have mentioned, charts, different roasters, = input profiles, beans, ambient temperature....etc.  The only thing = I haven't built in yet is the cupping information which is a great = suggestion.  My plan was to finish the application and then = announce it to the list.  All of the data is stored in a database = on my end, so all you need in order to save/get your data is an internet = connection and a web browser. Currently, it's just running on my = Mac Mini at home.  I still need to polish up some of the = functionality and get my designer friend to actually give some style to = it (colors, some layout, etc.). This is all in my spare time, so = it's been a bit slow.  I work as a programmer all day but this is = one project that has been really fun to work on even when I come = home. If anyone is interested, I can set up a few beta user = accounts and let you play with it.  However, I'd warn you that it's = still *very* rough....like, pre-alpha rough.  Also, as it'd be = hosted on my machine at home it will be a bit slower than the final = product (which will be hosted at a real colo). = Brian On Jan 29, = 2008 6:07 PM, Chuck Haines <chaines> = wrote: Cool, I'll have to play around with that.  Maybe I can model = something online based on that. I'm really looking to have = this an online tool where people can log in and input their own data = and decide what data to share. I'm starting the design work on = it tonight.  I'll keep everyone informed of how it goes and will = definitely be looking for beta testers and suggestions. On Jan = 29, 2008 7:40 PM, DJ Garcia <djgarcia= ystructuredlayers.net> wrote: > If you have MS Access, you = can try this: > >  http://improbablystructuredlayers.net/CoffeeRoastingDB/C=RDBHome.htm > > DJ > > > = > > From: homeroast-admin= s.sweetmarias.com > [mailto:homeroast-admin= s.sweetmarias.com] On Behalf Of kevin creason > Sent: = Tuesday, January 29, 2008 4:23 PM > To: homeroast= s.com > Subject: Re: +Roasting = Software > > > I would love that. I would also like it = to inventory my coffee stash, and > support roasting/profiles for = a couple of different roasters (Behmor, RK > drum, etc). Needs = some security-- user being able to set what can be seen by > a = guest and what is not. I'll help beta test, but I'm an admin, not a = > developer. > > I'm just getting going testing Terry's = Palm app. It looks very complete and > thorough. Just not = immediately or easily shareable. > > > > > = > homeroast = mailing list > http://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast<=/a> > To change your personal list settings (digest options, = vacations, unsvbscribes) go to http://sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsetting=s > -- Chuck Haines chaines ---------------= -------------------------------------------- Tau Kappa Epsilon = Fraternity Fraternity For Life Alumni ">http://www.deepspace.orgirc://irc.deepspace.org/=">http://www.tke.orgirc://irc.deepspace.org/TKhttp://www.deepspace.orgirc://irc.deepspace.org/= Lobby ----------------------------------------------------------- = AIM: CyberGrex YIM: CyberGrex_27 ICQ: = 3707881 Skype: = CyberGrex ----------------------------------------------------------- = homeroast mailing list http://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast<=/a> To change your personal list settings (digest options, vacations, = unsvbscribes) go to http://sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsetting=s = = --Apple-Mail-1-417154567--


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