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Topic: new baby at my house!!! (19 msgs / 474 lines)
1) From: Kris Bhatti
OK, it's not that kind of baby...  I just got home from my wonderful thrift store and this time I got a La Pavoni Europiccola for $15!  If there had been a heart rate monitor on me when I spotted this machine sitting there with the Mr. Coffee's, it would have been sounding alerts like crazy.  I didn't even plug it in before buying it, I figured if there is anything wrong with it, I can get it fixed and still have a great bargain.  It doesn't look like it's had much use, but it must be fairly old.  The black rubber along the bottom is cracked.  I'll be spending my afternoon cleaning it up and reading all I can find about this machine.  I'll be happy to hear from any other owners of this machine who can share tips.  Off to play now...
Kris Bhatti
Tustin, CA
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2) From: Barry Luterman
New one not chrome $609.
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3) From: Jerry Procopio
WOW!  Great find - Congratulations!
Jerry
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4) From: Lynne
Boy - you scored one, there!
Congrads on this - I second the wow...
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5) From: Jim Gundlach
Kris,
      That is a find.  You will probably need to put new seals and  
gaskets in all around.   These are readily available and are  
considered part of regular maintenance on these. I got one that had  
not been used for more than ten years from a daughter-in-law who was  
cleaning out her deceased grandmother's house.  As I recall it cost  
about $50.00 to get it up and running.  I think there may be a Thor  
Tamper for this on Sweet Maria's sale page, might not remember  
correctly.
         pecan jim
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6) From: James C. Hathaway
Hey Kris, that's a great find.  I have a Gaggia Factory, which is basically
the same machine.  You are going to love it!  Do you have a high quality
grinder?  You will need one with a lever machine; they require a very fine
grind.
You may end up replacing gaskets, etc, but you did find a steal of a deal!
Congrats!
James

7) From: Lisa J. Carton
NICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  what a find............
Can't wait to hear about how it goes....
   
Kris Bhatti  wrote:
  OK, it's not that kind of baby... I just got home from my wonderful thrift store and this time I got a La Pavoni Europiccola for $15! If there had been a heart rate monitor on me when I spotted this machine sitting there with the Mr. Coffee's, it would have been sounding alerts like crazy. I didn't even plug it in before buying it, I figured if there is anything wrong with it, I can get it fixed and still have a great bargain. It doesn't look like it's had much use, but it must be fairly old. The black rubber along the bottom is cracked. I'll be spending my afternoon cleaning it up and reading all I can find about this machine. I'll be happy to hear from any other owners of this machine who can share tips. Off to play now...
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Tustin, CA
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8) From: Barry Dryden
Wow,  what a deal!!  I keep checking my local Goodwill shops, nothing
but crap.  Cancer Society stores are better but still no luck yet.
Congratulations on your find!
Happy brewing!
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9) From: Kris Bhatti
Hi Jim,
Do you use the one you have on a regular basis?  This one has two switches, the power switch and the pressure switch.  The directions I downloaded from La Pavoni talk about a green pressure switch light that is supposed to turn off - I don't see any green light at all.  The directions also don't mention anything about using that pressure switch.  I filled the tank up with some Cleancaf and turned it on.  It didn't really get hot until I switched the pressures switch from I to II, then water and steam started coming out of the safety valve.  I tightened that up, but it still comes out.  
If it's just a matter of replacing gaskets and seals, I can probably do that myself.  Not sure what is going on with the green light thing. I am a little wary of the thing with all the pressure and steam going on - really don't want to bet burned!  I really really just want to try making espresso on it, then maybe I can put it away until I get the new gaskets.  I will try to order those tonight or tomorrow as I don't want to wait!  I see that there is an authorized service center about 80 miles from here, so I wonder if it would be worth it to just take it in and have it worked over?
Back to play with the machine some more...
Kris Bhatti
Tustin, CA
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From: Jim Gundlach 
To: homeroast
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 2:07:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Homeroast] new baby at my house!!!
Kris,
      That is a find.  You will probably need to put new seals and  
gaskets in all around.   These are readily available and are  
considered part of regular maintenance on these. I got one that had  
not been used for more than ten years from a daughter-in-law who was  
cleaning out her deceased grandmother's house.  As I recall it cost  
about $50.00 to get it up and running.  I think there may be a Thor  
Tamper for this on Sweet Maria's sale page, might not remember  
correctly.
         pecan jim
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10) From: Paul Helbert
If you are afraid of getting burned, scalded, fingers smashed or worse, You
could just put it on eBay. (Hint...hint)!
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11) From: Kris Bhatti
I'm not THAT wimpy :)  I'm drinking my first cappuccino from the "new" machine right now and while it may not be perfection, it's pretty danged good!  My Gaggia Coffee Deluxe never dreamed of steaming milk like this.  I had sweet microfoam on my second try.  I seem to just get a ristretto at the moment, but I only tried 3 times.  I really just wanted my afternoon coffee and have to get back to making dinner.  That portafilter feels like a toy though - such a small handle!  Sorry, you won't see this one on eBay!
Kris Bhatti
Tustin, CA
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Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 3:53:56 PM
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If you are afraid of getting burned, scalded, fingers smashed or worse, You
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12) From: Jim Gundlach
Kris,
     I haven't used it but a couple of times since I got the Andreja.   
I look at it as a back-up machine.  Mine has one three position  
switch. I would say the leak at the valve is what you need to take  
care of first. Is the water coming out the valve or from where it  
screws into the boiler?
    pecan jim
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13) From: Kris Bhatti
Hi Jim,
The leak went away after I removed the nut, spring and ball bearing and put it back on again.  I guess I'll check some other coffee forums to see if anyone else has this model with the two switches.  I'm not sure how you are supposed to know when it's ready without that green light.  The pressure switch doesn't look like it would have a light behind it, so I don't think it's just a burnt out bulb.  I think this machine sat on someone's counter for a long long time and was rarely ever used (either that or the user was so fastidious and gentle that there are no signs of use on the portafilter or baskets).  After the mess I made using it, I can't imagine you could use it often and not have some signs of wear and tear!
I better get my bean order placed because I'll surely be going through more beans as I learn this machine!
Kris Bhatti
Tustin, CA
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From: Jim Gundlach 
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Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 4:19:22 PM
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Kris,
     I haven't used it but a couple of times since I got the Andreja.   
I look at it as a back-up machine.  Mine has one three position  
switch. I would say the leak at the valve is what you need to take  
care of first. Is the water coming out the valve or from where it  
screws into the boiler?
    pecan jim
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14) From: Brett Mason
Same store on Laguna Rd., just E of Red Hill?  That is just plain wrong...
Same store never had anything good in 2004....
If you go up Red Hill to the top, then turn left on La Loma Dr., go thru the
tstop sign at Arroyo, the 2nd house is 1229...  I grew up in that house from
1961-1973...
Small World, and great catch!
Brett
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15) From: Dennis Ryan
If you get stuck, give Thomas Cara LDD in SF a call. He's  
(Christopher Cara) been able to talk me through any Pavoni problems  
I've had, and hell, he's just a great guy to chat with.
-D
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16) From: Bob Hazen
Kris,
Indeed you did strike paydirt!  I had one of those many moons ago.  It was 
my first espresso machine; back in about 1979.  I learned a few things:  1) 
it was very sensitive to grind, my whirlyblade didn't cut it, or should I 
say "hack it?"  2) Don't touch the darn thing anywhere except the 
portafilter handle or the lever when it's on.  If you do, you won't do it 
again!  and 3) Don't be in too much of a rush to disengage the portafilter. 
It's real easy to blow grounds all over the place, including the barista, if 
you don't let the pressure subside.
Other than that, it was fun.  It wasn't too long, though, until it went down 
the road and I bought a Gaggia.
Best of luck with it!
Bob

17) From: Kris Bhatti
Hi Bob,
Luckily I'm already in good shape grinder-wise.  I was using a Rocky until last summer when I found a nice Mazzer Super Jolly (at the same thrift store for $20!)  I figured out pretty quick that this machine is hot all over and that I needed to wait a bit before removing the portafilter.  I've wanted a lever machine since I first saw one - I love the look of the machine.  My other machine is a PID'd Gaggia Coffee Deluxe, pretty much the lowest end of a halfway decent machine.  It will be interesting over the next months to see which machine gets more use.  They are on the counter side by side for now.  Even if I decide it's too much trouble for a quick cup, I think I can use it as my dedicated steaming unit - my other machine never dreamed of steam like this.  I do want to be successful with this machine though as I love doing things in the least-automated manner whenever possible!
Kris Bhatti
Tustin, CA
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From: Bob Hazen 
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Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 8:21:38 PM
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Kris,
Indeed you did strike paydirt!  I had one of those many moons ago.  It was 
my first espresso machine; back in about 1979.  I learned a few things:  1) 
it was very sensitive to grind, my whirlyblade didn't cut it, or should I 
say "hack it?"  2) Don't touch the darn thing anywhere except the 
portafilter handle or the lever when it's on.  If you do, you won't do it 
again!  and 3) Don't be in too much of a rush to disengage the portafilter. 
It's real easy to blow grounds all over the place, including the barista, if 
you don't let the pressure subside.
Other than that, it was fun.  It wasn't too long, though, until it went down 
the road and I bought a Gaggia.
Best of luck with it!
Bob

18) From: John Reiko Ross
I have an old one like yours--no green
lighted switch--two rockers; top is lighted
(red) and the bottom one choses whether you
brew (I) or steam (II)--I heat with it set to II until
it starts blowing steam then I switch it to I, let
some steam out the wand and then slap the
portafilter in, pull a shot. I think the water
has to be at steaming temp 'cause the brass
chills it to brewing temp.
I have found that you can brew maybe three
doubles before the quality declines and you
have to let the unit cool (to the point you can
open it and add water).
I got a package of baskets from Thomas E. Cara Ltd.
517 Pacific Ave. in San Francisco 94133 and
some instructions off the net -- Google it
I have an old Gaggia Baby (single boiler with a
switch that boils the water for steaming) and use the
Europiccola to steam the milk when I have to
brew a bunch of espresso drinks for friends,
thereby keeping the Gaggia's temperature
steady and you can pull a straight espresso
from the Pavoni to fill-out your reguests in in the
process.
John in SanFran.
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19) From: Tom Ulmer
No doubt there will be a favored little guy on your counter.


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