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Topic: Pre grinding beans...or not (30 msgs / 647 lines)
1) From: Saundra ONeil
I've been having way too much fun with my Behmor.  Last night i roasted 3 lbs (six 1/2 lbs) that i want to send to my brother who lives in the middle of nowhere (Bishop, CA) and does not own a grinder. He was hoping to walk into the local coffee shop and asking if they'd grind his coffee, but i seriously doubt that would fly more than once or twice.
After i roasted, i let it rest for about 6-8 hrs them packed it in vacuum bags where it now resides comfortably.
I know this borders on being sacriligious, BUT... any opinions on the option of me grinding the coffee then sealing it in air-tight (ie: foodsaver) pkgs and having him freeze what won't be immediately consumed?  i've heard of people doing this with freshly roasted beans, but am uncertain what it would do to ground coffee. Any ideas?
Thanks!
Saundra
ps...No, him buying (or buying him) a grinder is not an option.  Sending him my extra grinder is also not an option :)
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2) From: Allon Stern
On Feb 20, 2008, at 1:14 AM, Saundra ONeil wrote:
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Grind one day's worth of coffee. Mail it to him. Repeat every day.
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3) From: miKe mcKoffee
Send him a grinder if he's too cheap (or too poor) to buy one. Even fresh
whirly chopped is better than stale grinds. Wait, just read your PS. Must
ask why? No electricity? Make it a hand crank. At first thought might be in
a situation like some of my relatives and not able to receive things like
grinders. (i.e. incarcerated) But since can go to local coffee shop doesn't
sound like that's it. (Unless said "coffee shop" is within "walls", damn
Charbucks really is everywhere!) Hmmm, now got me really wondering the why
he can't have a grinder...
Individual brew size foodsaver vac packs of ground would work. If frozen
quite good quite a long time. Been making exactly that for Debi to take to
work for many years. 
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4) From: Brett Mason
Ask if he owns a blender...
  He probably does...
Ask if he owns a hammer...
  He probably does...
Ask him to commit as much as you are committing to him, and go buy a $10
whirley-blade grinder.
  He probably can...
Not owning a grinder is not a major life-restricting event.
Spending $10 for a grinder really is not asking too much.
If he balks, clip a coupon out of the newspaper for Folgers, and mail it to
him.
DO NOT grind and ship - that's a waste for everybody...
Brett
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5) From: Tom Ulmer
I'll break ranks on this one. My opinion is that it would be quite
acceptable to send a week's worth of pre-ground. Tell him to keep it in the
refrigerator in an air tight container. It will certainly be better than
what he's drinking now.

6) From: Marc
Saundra,
When traveling for a couple of weeks I have preground and vac packed my
coffee, admittedly it's not the same but even at the end of the trip it was
better then what I could buy. I vac sealed 4 oz packages to help minimize
flavor loss.
-Marc
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7) From: Paul Helbert
My son was In Bishop teaching a two week wilderness first responder course a
month or so ago. Send it to him just before Mule Days. The mules can tromp
it.
Best send your brother the whole beans and let him grind with his neighbor's
mill until he is financially able to spare fifteen dollars for his own mill.
He can share the coffee with friends; so everyone gains.
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8) From: Dean
I gotta go with Tom (& Mike McK) pregrinding ain't the ultimate best, 
but short term it's still pretty "ok".  If you can grind & vac it for 
your brother--he still gets great coffee.  Tell him to drink it while 
it's fresh--Most of mine starts to fade (becomes 'ordinary') within a 
week or so, and that's whole beans.
I've taken coffee to family get-togethers and tried bringing whole beans 
and a crappy grinder (blade or Melitta "burr") and also pregrinding & 
portioning into zip-locks.
(Grinding at home in the Mazzer Mini for drip)--the preground is more 
uniform, tastes better, and still wows everybody even 3-5 days later.  
Would taking the Mini along make it better? Probly.  Enough to bring it 
along?  Uhh, no.
Staying warm in the weeds in central Iowa,
Dean
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9) From: Treshell
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As all Wal-Mart I think have dry ice would it help if you put the Vac pks in
with dry ice every day.
Tres
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10) From: Brett Mason
At some point the purchase of a whirley blade grinder has to be considered
as an alternative to foodsavers, dry ice and custom bags....
Or not - we're a techie crowd that likes to "SOLVE" the unsolveable!
Like - how can I travel, with fresh beans, ground as fresh as possible,
except that we must not consider a grinder for the grinding?
I wonder if we buy two steel cookie trays, sandwich some beans between them,
and then drive the rental car across them - would the fresh "grind" (crush)
be capable of providing a good brew?
What if we buy a portable workbench, with a vise, and then mound the vise
vertically, can we create a "portable, non grinding, bean crusher"?
Can arrangements be made with a local butcher shop to allow the crushing of
beans in a cold storage environment such that thee freshness of the beans is
maintained, while using one of our inventive methods?
Can I get the rental car into the butcher's refrigerador?
Tough questions.
What's a whirley-blade grinder cost, $10?
Brett
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11) From: Brett Mason
At some point the purchase of a whirley blade grinder has to be considered
as an alternative to foodsavers, dry ice and custom bags....
Or not - we're a techie crowd that likes to "SOLVE" the unsolveable!
Like - how can I travel, with fresh beans, ground as fresh as possible,
except that we must not consider a grinder for the grinding?
I wonder if we buy two steel cookie trays, sandwich some beans between them,
and then drive the rental car across them - would the fresh "grind" (crush)
be capable of providing a good brew?
What if we buy a portable workbench, with a vise, and then mound the vise
vertically, can we create a "portable, non grinding, bean crusher"?
Can arrangements be made with a local butcher shop to allow the crushing of
beans in a cold storage environment such that thee freshness of the beans is
maintained, while using one of our inventive methods?
Can I get the rental car into the butcher's refrigerador?
Tough questions.
What's a whirley-blade grinder cost, $10?
Brett
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12) From: Brett Mason
At some point the purchase of a whirley blade grinder has to be considered
as an alternative to foodsavers, dry ice and custom bags....
Or not - we're a techie crowd that likes to "SOLVE" the unsolveable!
Like - how can I travel, with fresh beans, ground as fresh as possible,
except that we must not consider a grinder for the grinding?
I wonder if we buy two steel cookie trays, sandwich some beans between them,
and then drive the rental car across them - would the fresh "grind" (crush)
be capable of providing a good brew?
What if we buy a portable workbench, with a vise, and then mound the vise
vertically, can we create a "portable, non grinding, bean crusher"?
Can arrangements be made with a local butcher shop to allow the crushing of
beans in a cold storage environment such that thee freshness of the beans is
maintained, while using one of our inventive methods?
Can I get the rental car into the butcher's refrigerador?
Tough questions.
What's a whirley-blade grinder cost, $10?
Brett
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13) From: Paul Helbert
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A dollar ain't a dollar anymore. Maybe $15.
Paul
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14) From: Kris Bhatti
I buy extra whirley grinders at the thrift store for a couple of bucks so I can share my homeroast whole beans with friends who don't own grinders.  These grinders may not be good enough for the connoisseurs, but it's a far cry from the nasty pre-ground stuff some of my friends are used to!  I think these grinders might even have some advantages over the cheaper burr grinders - much easier to clean out gunk when you can see and access it all without disassembling anything.
Kris Bhatti
Tustin, CA
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From: Paul Helbert 
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Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 4:32:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Pre grinding beans...or not
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A dollar ain't a dollar anymore. Maybe $15.
Paul
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15) From: Rich
Actually, if your friends are going to brew the result of your roasting 
with a generic drip brewer then the whirly blade will work very well. 
There would be a very small increase in brewed quality if they used a 
multi-Franklin genuine Italian burr grinder.  Most humans would never 
notice the difference.
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16) From: Saundra ONeil
OOPS - posted this reply in the wrong thread - SO SORRY 
Kris - you sure do seem to score at the thrift stores!  i will keep my eye out for one of those for my brother if he likes the coffee sampler i sent him.  i ended up gringing then vacuum sealing them in individual bags with strict storage instructions (ie: freeze immed upon receipt...take pkg out to defrost the night before, etc), but it was a PITA.  after all the suggestions i got here, incl yours, i've decided a whirrly is in his future. since it was MY idea for him to taste my homeroasts, it didn't seem right to ask hime to go buy a grinder.  i had thought those grinders threw off too much heat and my pre-grinding was preferable.  y'all set me straight.  thanks to everyone. this list really is THE BEST!
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17) From: Kris Bhatti
Agreed!  I also added in a couple of pourover cones and boxes of filters to my order from SM yesterday - these are going out as birthday gifts soon.  I know that I am not responsible for the coffee practices of my friends, but rather than just make pretentious comments about my superior equipment and procedures, I try to share a low-tech low-cost entry into the world of superior coffee.  I've got one friend converted to a customer - 2 pounds of my order go directly to her (after I roast them)!
Kris
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From: Rich 
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Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 6:15:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Pre grinding beans...or not
Actually, if your friends are going to brew the result of your roasting 
with a generic drip brewer then the whirly blade will work very well. 
There would be a very small increase in brewed quality if they used a 
multi-Franklin genuine Italian burr grinder.  Most humans would never 
notice the difference.
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18) From: Paul Helbert
I did the same when my wife had a gift exchange at her work Christmas party.
Gave a thrift store whirley grinder & four jelly jars of freshly roasted
coffees with instructions to use it all up within a week or so. Got great
reviews and converted them to the first step: grinding just before brewing.
Did the same for tenants of rental house with same result. Don't find many
grinders in thrift stores, though.
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19) From: Bill
Frustration: I gave away about 20 lbs of homeroast to friends and coworkers
for Christmas.  I roasted a week before Christmas and clearly wrote on the
label, "consume all before Jan.1"... I have had a few folks tell me in the
last few weeks, "I finally drank your coffee and it was the best I've ever
had!"... I say, "well if you'dve drank it 6 weeks ago when you were supposed
to, it would've knocked your socks off!!!bill
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20) From: Paul Helbert
On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 10:57 PM, Bill  wrote:
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Yeah, I got some of that, too.  Did they tell you it was too "strong" so
they used it less rapidly? Mine did. Heck, they said they liked dark roast
Kenyan, so I thought they had an idea. Still, they did enjoy it and I think
we deepened friendships with the gifts, which was the idea.
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21) From: Treshell
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As they all most always save it for something special tell them to put it in
the freezer.  At least then it has a chance.  There is that good article on
HB on that.http://www.home-barista.com/store-coffee-in-freezer.htmlTreshell
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22) From: Bill
Nobody told me it was too strong, thankfully!  That would have landed them
on the 'never-again' list, which i wouldn't have wanted to have happen!!!
 yes, i think that giving a gift that you say was hand-made (hand-roasted)
goes a long way... even if they would score in the negatives in CSA points!
bill
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23) From: Brett Mason
Heartless: Giving Homeroast when Folgers Dark would have done as well.  Next
time, give them a coupon for Folgers.  Was it really worth the $7/lb that it
cost you to buy the green beans, + your time and resources?
You're doing them a disservice.  Next time, amke a pot and serve
samples....  If they really want more, invite them over.  Then invite them
when you roast.
You do not need to beg people to like your coffee to make your passion
worthwhile.  Better to leave them unknowing in the darkened world.  More for
the likes of us.
Same as with Starbucks. If they prefer Starbucks, buy them a gift card...
Brett
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24) From: Saundra ONeil
Can i just confirm with the group here that a whirly grinder is something along the lines of the Braun blade grinder i had about 30 yrs ago?
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25) From: Brett Mason
Yep...
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26) From: Brian Kamnetz
Saundra,
Yes, that's right. The beans go into a grind chamber at the top, most
often with a see-through plastic top. Usually the beans go in, the top
goes on, press down on the top, and the blade "whirles" around and
grinds (some say smashes) the beans.
Brian
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27) From: Joseph Robertson
Brian,
I call it a chipper. Chips and chunks and finally a mixture of chip pieces
and powder. But what the hay, If it was all I had I would be way happier
than if I was using my hammer and wooden bowl.
JoeR
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28) From: raymanowen
Mortar and pestle took a lot of wrist power and I whined enough, Edith sent
me a Capresso weed whacker.
My Grind Master weed whacker finally got dust in the switch after 25 years.
I kept the leading edges of the blade crisply sharp on a grinder after my
metal fab friend Vince tacked some stellite weld on it. Good enough for all
of my Bunns with their paper filters. I knew nothing.
I saw a Solis Maestro in the thrift shop, overpriced at $ 0.99, because it
almost drove me to buy a neat looking Mahlkönig (Grind King). It took me
past the $190 mark for the new SMP, and just trying to get a decent set of
burrs for it. Mahlkönig burrs look like jewels and cost accordingly.
They'll grind a Pound of coffee to Turkish powder in 10 seconds. Egad- a bit
much for home use according to Edith and Dan, who used my whining for an
excuse to drive up PCH from Burbank!
Cheers, Mabuhay -RayO, aka Opa!
Got Grinder? (Got 3Ĝ 208v power?)
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29) From: Joseph Robertson
Ray,
Save that Turkish powder. Linda my partner just got back from Egypt with a
genuine Turkish Ibrik. I don't know if I spelled it write but I bet I can
figure out how to use it.
JoeR
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30) From: raymanowen
I can grind Hard Red winter wheat in the Mazzer Major to any consistency of
*flour* I want for baking. At a setting of 3, the flour makes for an
excellent loaf of whole grain bread. I use 250g of wheat flour, plus 125g of
cracked oats + wheat (steel cracked in a blender,) EVO and a little honey if
I feel like it. Add bread flour, as needed to achieve dough consistency
I can't wait to try some whole grain bagels, but I've already turned this
largish apartment kitchen into the well-known* blivet. Add an Ibrik? There's
no guest bedroom for an unrepentant Opa. Never had to sleep in the Bronco,
either!
*Well-known to those who know it well.
I grind for espresso at around 20- 22, so Turkish might get a 5- 10 setting.
Ain't did it yet. May be on the distant event horizon...
Cheers, Mabuhay -RayO, aka Opa!
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