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Topic: A Kopi Luwak story (19 msgs / 401 lines)
1) From: Jim Gundlach
Back in 2003 we had a contest to create a story about the origin of  
Kopi Luwak.  Since we have several new list members I thought I would  
repost my entry.  Here itis:
Jim Gundlach's entry for the Kopi Luwak urban legend contest.
Back in the early to mid 1600's the Dutch were establishing their  
colonial power over the Indonesian Island of Madura. One policy that  
made the locals very angry was the practice of requiring all the local  
produce to be turned over to the VOC, the Dutch colonial enterprise.  
The locals liked to collect the red ripe coffee berries and make a  
wine from the fruit and dried the seeds to make drinks and food with.  
The Dutch officers decided that they would supervise the processing of  
the coffee berries and start exporting the coffee beans. This upset  
the locals to no end because it would end their making coffee wine.  
There was a young prince by the name of Trunojoyo who thought up a  
plan. He had several villagers collect the poop of a little creature,  
the luwak, that ate the ripe coffee berries and pooped out the seeds.  
He gave the villagers some golden silk bags and told them to go  
collect some of the luwak poop and put it in the bags. He told them to  
then pretend to give him the silk bags of luwak poop as if were a  
special offering to royalty in a way that the top Dutch officer would  
think he saw something that was being kept from him. When the officer  
saw the shiny golden bags being given to Prince Trunojoyo by kneeling  
villagers he grabbed the bags and started whipping one of the  
villagers to get him to tell him what it was. After the officer  
administered several lashes to the poor villager, Prince Trunojoyo  
spoke up and pretended to reluctantly tell the officer that it was  
kopi luwak, a coffee processed by God's creatures into the most  
perfect and most wonderful coffee. He also said that only royalty were  
allowed to consume it. With this discovery, the officer decided on the  
spot to change the rules about giving coffee to the VOC. The villagers  
could keep their ordinary old coffee but all the kopi luwak would be  
turned over to the VOC. The villagers of Madura spread the word of how  
Prince Trunojoyo had fooled the Dutch into eating luwak poop and saved  
their coffee wine. The legend helped Prince Trunojoyo become a popular  
leader and in the early 1680's he led a failed rebellion against the  
Dutch in which he was killed. To this day, the villagers of Madura  
will gather in the evening drinking coffee wine and tell the story of  
how Prince Trunojoyo had fooled the Dutch into eating poop and saved  
their coffee wine.
      pecan jim
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2) From: Dave Kvindlog
Great story, Jim!  Almost believable...
I still find it hard to believe that ANYone would be silly enough to
actually drink the proceeds from the wrong end of a cat.  Don't EVEN get me
started on the fragrant aroma of the brew.  I know the aroma from that end;
my son had a burrito for dinner tonight and produced enough gas on the way
to church that I had to let my windows down (his first, of course) to keep
from asphyxiation!
Sipping on a very drinkable FP Nicaragua Placeres Estate del Miel (which
regrettably almost depleted),
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3) From: miKe mcKoffee
Bah, any true coffee connaisseur will try Kopi Luwak at least once and many
on this List have. Including our Esteemed Host and International Cupping
Expert Tom Owens. In fact Tom has even had it as an offering on occasion for
those who are serious about their coffee education journey. For the record
it is indeed very drinkable and quite a deep and rich interesting cup.
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4) From: Jim Gundlach
On Feb 20, 2008, at 10:39 PM, Dave Kvindlog wrote:
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The Luwak is a civet,  not a cat.   I have had three different kopi  
luwaks,I found a distinct, common, and not unpleasant set of flavors  
in each but I did not find them to be exceptional.  They are certainly  
not worth the price usually asked.  However, I believe if you take  
learning coffee seriously, it is enough of the coffee lore that you  
should know what it taste like.  Being culture bound in this global  
economy can be a real handicap.
       pecan jim
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5) From: Brett Mason
I didn't like it so much....  Too finicky, I am, and I know it....
Others seem to really liek it....
Between each sip, I could hear Ted Nugent, "Cat Scratch Fever...."
Brett
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6) From: Dave Kvindlog
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Ah...the price of pursuing a truly great cuppa joe.  A rewarding hobby, but
with a few "hard to swallow" educational steps we all must apparantly take
to appreciate greatness.
I'll sip if you have/will... (though I may cringe a little!)
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7) From: miKe mcKoffee
Ah Brett, give yourself credit where credit is due! You did try it which was
my point.
For the record I said is was very drinkable and quite a deep and rich and
interesting cup. I did not say I liked or disliked it:-) But for the record
it was not an offensive cup in anyway to me. Though I'll most highly likely
not pay $150 for a pound of "greens" again in this lifetime! Then again, I
never say never. Who knows, may well sometime procure some for a coffee
tasting event at the Kafe. You know maybe a taste pairing of coffee
opposites, like with Panama Gesha:-)
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8) From: Joseph Robertson
Mike,
This is a coffee I have not had the "honor"? to try. I have heard a
description of Earthy?
Has anyone else here who has tried it come away with that taste?
JoeR
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9) From: Brett Mason
Earthy was a good description.  Funky, like a Monsooned Malabar as well...
For the record, I have not been successful with the Harars either...  So
it's not the wrong end of the cat, per se.
  NOT CAT.  Civet...  Looks like a cat to me - Here's Fluffy, eat these
beans...
  Can you feed GREEN BEANS, and then roast the cat? - oops, off topic.
Perhaps this is a matter of taste - I love my Colombians, Costa Ricans,
Brazils, and similar....  Juan Francisco was amazing, always....
I'll take the McKredit as MiKe suggests - indeed I have consumed, and shared
with my wife and kids too.
  THANKS SUSAN for sharing with me - Java Mama rocks!...
Brett
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10) From: Scott Miller
I have had a pretty good Kopi in the past, and yes since it's an Indo bean,
earthy is an appropriate description for what I had. It was a mix of arabica
and robusta beans. The Luwak is not discriminate in the type of bean it
consumes.
cheers,
Scott
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11) From: Larry Johnson
I was fortunate enough to win some Kopi Luwak in a tradition offering
by Tim RenClay and I found that "earthy" and "funky" were indeed the
descriptors that first ocurred to those of us who were trying it. It
was roasted when I got it, no way to know how long (it was roasted
when Tim got it, and he didn't know how long either).
I held a tasting at a coffee/wine/tapas bar (Aromas), invited a few
friends and the staff of Aromas to sample it. Everyone agreed that it
was different, unusual. Nobody liked it. One of the waitresses said it
tasted like her grandmother's basement had been brewed into a cup of
coffee.
So for me, it's "been there, done that."
Oh, the manager of Aromas had some very fresh-roasted Panama, that one
that the bidding got out of control on last year and Tom mentioned
that it was hugely overpriced because of the bidding war that it
induced. Can't remember the name - brain cramp. But it was the
brightest coffee I've ever had. Talk about contrasts.
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12) From: Larry Johnson
Typo - that should be "Tim TenClay". Sorry, Tim.
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13) From: Dave Kvindlog
I've always heard the Civet referred to as a Civet cat.  Just looked it up.
Indeed, though distantly related to cats, it is not in the feline family.
My bad.
Of course, drinking anything that comes from the wrong end of any species is
guaranteed to produce a little anxiety as the cup approaches the lips...
However, the next time you get some, invite me over.  Can't guarantee I'll
drink the whole cup though...
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15) From: Jim Gundlach
The key difference is that the Civet is a vegetarian,  the cat a  
carnivore.   Makes a big difference poop wise.
       pecan jim
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16) From: Joseph Robertson
Brett,
Going OT,
I read most of this recent post on the "Cat" coffee. When it comes to coffee
from this creature that is not a cat I would like to know which end is the
right end? This sounds like there is a title in here somewhere for a Dr.
Seuss book. If he was only alive to read this.
JoeR
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17) From: Brett Mason
True, Dr. Suess would have fun....
  "Clarence Cups a Civet"
would be in his library, no doubt!
Brett
Which end?  I think the animated logo communicated rather well...
Think of it as Truly Organic Processing...
Brett
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18) From: Dave Kvindlog
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19) From: Joseph Robertson
Brett,
OT not a cat coffee.
When I said which end is right. Kind of like the "left" end? Both ends are
wrong to me. My thought of great coffee begins with those gorgeous red
cherries hanging from a beautiful bush in the high mountain sun. Now just
imagine how they hang from our cute little "not a cat" creature. Now imagine
a wonder smile crossing your lips as you taste it for your first time
because of?
Hey I will try any coffee once. I'm just trying to imagine the first time.
JoeR
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