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Topic: $150 in beans, wife goes "sigh". (8 msgs / 195 lines)
1) From: 02bndr
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As w/ all of my hobbies I'm getting obsessed again. I don't think I'm =
quite anal obsessive but the potential is within. Another fad that will =
fall by the wayside? I dont think so, I like coffee too much. I hav'nt =
found "The Bean" yet but I just placed a order for four more lbs of =
various Indonesians and I cant wait to start roasting again.
When I find "The Bean" how will I be able to store 5-20lbs before it =
goes bad? Ive read a few of you exp w/ vaccum. 

2) From: John Roche
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on 1/2/02 9:28 AM, 02bndr at fly4fun wrote:
When I find "The Bean" how will I be able to store 5-20lbs before it goes
you are talking about green right? If so, they will last a long time.
Several years at least, although i find decaf seems to last significantly
less. Don't know why, but i've had de-caf green go bad after less than a
year. BUT who knows how long they were around before getting to me.

3) From: JKG
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It really depends upon the climate where you store your beans.  I've
had no problems storing the beans in my basement in the burlap 
bags that Tom Sells.  But I live in Wisconsin, where it's cool and dry
in my basement during the winter. And in the summer, the house is
air conditioned when the humidity kicks in.
Congrats on finding a new hobby.  My wife sighs all the time.  We're
constantly negotiating over how much counter space I get to use for
coffee-related equipment.  My old hobby was brewing beer (which 
I continue at much reduced frequency).  She's much 
happier with coffee as my primary vice.

4) From: Gary Zimmerman
John Roche wrote:
Hi John,
Just curious: How did you know they were bad?  Was it a visual thing, a 
smell thing, or did they just not roast properly?
-- garyZ
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5) From: John Roche
on 1/2/02 11:40 AM, Gary Zimmerman at garyzim wrote:
They looked as they always had, no off smell. But when roasted it tasted
like crap. This really puzzled me for some time as I tried roasting it this
way and that, thinking my roaster was out of whack. However, I had no
problems with any reg coffee in the same roaster. I concluded that the beans
were the problem. They had a horrible off taste. Undrinkable. The beans were
less than a year old (in my hands). It was also several different green
decafs, not all the same bean, but all close to a year old. All were
purchased from Sweetmarias. BTW, I should mention that the beans did not sit
around the whole time, I did many fine roasts with them. I'm not suggesting
that I rec'd them in this condition. Storage was in my apt, in SM bags,
average temp & humidity etc.
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6) From: coffenut
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I keep them in the cotton bags that Tom sells, stored in an indoor closet
(aka "my coffee closet").  Granted it has the aroma of green beans, but hey,
it's my closet and I like it.  This keeps the beans out of the light and
within the same temp/humidity range as the rest of the house.  I've done
this for well over a year and have no problems with beans going bad or
losing any noticeable flavor due to storage.  Initially, I tried to only
purchase enough for a few months use, but not all beans are available
year-round.  So, you'll likely do some accumulating/collecting, especially
when your favorites have limited volume and availability.
Coffenut  :^)

7) From: Devin Nickol
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Lately people have been championing various green bean storage methods. =
I'm not sure that any extreme measures are really necessary. I just =
leave mine sitting on the counter, out of the direct sunlight, in their =
original plastic Sweet Maria's bags, and they do fine. I thought about =
sticking them down the basement, but with the Nebraska winter =
approaching I think that might be cruel. : )
In your quest for "the bean" I would suggest that you try coffee with a =
wide variety of taste profiles. Sounds like simple advice, but when I =
started out I thought I knew what I liked: full body, low acidity, =
smoky/complex flavor. As time has gone on I've developed a real =
appreciation for "brighter" coffee. Really powerful Kenyas still taste a =
lot like hot orange-flavored tea to me, but slightly less acidic coffees =
are really great....I like the Finca La Tacita quite a bit. It's nice to =
have a variety of stuff around....on subzero days its still best to go =
out for a walk with a cup of Yemeni buttersmoke or an inexpensive =
Mexican roasted to the oily, snob-scorned nether regions of second =
crack. : )  Make up your own mind about what you like!

8) From: Ryuji Suzuki -- JF7WEX
From: "Devin Nickol" 
Subject: Re: +$150 in beans, wife goes "sigh".
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 07:46:23 -0600
I also love dark Mexican in drip or espresso. With a care to use 10
degrees lower than I usually use for brewing, the result can be really
good. This really sucks in vacuum brewers. I usually try real dark
roast with almost all beans I buy at least once, regardless of what
they recommend. But Mexican decaf is my favorite for straight French
roast. At Vienna roast, I like Mandheling, Timor, many others, but not
many at French level.
One thing I miss is Guatemalan Fraijanes SM used to carry. It had nice
dark berry and chocolate, and was also somewhat winey without
earthiness of Harar. A bit of full city Harar in city+ roasted Mexican
isn't too far, Panamanian Finca Maunier is a great substitute, but
ummmm.... Maybe I should try Antigua they have now.
Someone said he missed Brazilian Auction winner. I have Fazenda Bom
Jardim, which lasted for even shorter than the other. Like any good
Brazil, it has softly bitter base with some creaminess and spice,
which I like a lot (it takes a few days of resting to attain the full
integration of these characters). I still have a bit left but I will
miss it when it's gone!  One thing I do as an attempt to make
something similar is a blend of Timor or Nicaragua and Brazil Mogiani.
I really like any one of these straight, but it's interesting to see
blending sometimes does a lot more than averaging.
Ryuji Suzuki
"I can't believe I'm here.
People always say that I'm a long way from normal."
(Bob Dylan, Normal, Illinois, 13 February 1999)
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