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1) From: b cook
Cafe Medici in Austin uses the LM Swift grinder and they have always pulled
good shots for me.
They typically have good QC in the prep process though.
brad
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2) From: Alchemist John
My beef with the Swift is that it is in lieu of training.  Like Mike 
said in this thread (pre-shift), nothing wrong with automation, but 
that is AFTER you have done the work to know what the hell you are 
doing.  If it is in lieu of knowledge, you don't know if something isn't right.
IMO, when I think of Stumptown I don't think of Hairbender straight 
away.  I think of their quality and dedication.  Instead, what I am 
seeing is them pushing the names and their politics (not that is 
isn't good) of Direct Trade.  It feels like they are pushing a 
concept now (DIRECT TRADE HAIRBENDER) and not a philosophy and the 
philosophy of excellence (like Mike's) is what made them great.
Shoosh, I didn't mean this to turn into a bash of Stumptown, but this 
has all been stewing in my head lately and just sort of came out.
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3) From: Scott Miller
I looked at an automated grinder last year at CoffeeFest in ATL; Nuova
Simonelli Mythos:http://tinyurl.com/3x4ce6It was impressive, but that's a lot of $$ for a grinder, methinks.
cheers,
Scott
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4) From: Joseph Robertson
John,
I'm sure Mike will come back on this one but the duel head La Marzoccos is
not an HX machine unless I have really be napping way too much.
Hey, when it comes to what Stumptown is up to or the big coffee boys, when
they muck it up on the customer service end and things start to go down
hill. Guess where the folks go who want something more than great marketing
and mediocre cup.
Back to the grass root shops like Mike and Bruce's.
Haven't we seen the same kind of corporate model before go the same path
only to finally discover the error of there ways?
Just my pre-coffee 2 cents worth.
Thanks for the review John. I wish I had time to get out more.
Hey, don't apologise, your not really bashing Stumptown. Your more than
qualified to give us all a creative review of the buzz on the street
compared to the reality of it.
Cheers John,
JoeR
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5) From: b cook
I think to say that the Swift is in lieu of training is somewhat jumping to
conclusions.  Maybe it is, maybe it isn't.  The 1st and 2nd place finishers
at the last Southwest Regional Barista Championship were both employees of
Cafe Medici..the one in Austin that uses a Swift.  Obviously they were not
lacking in training.  Not that you would find the same everywhere but I'm
just saying...you cannot assume that Swift = untrained monkeys.  ;)
brad
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6) From: Alchemist John
I was not assuming.  I watched, talked to them, =
etc.  Except for the one trying to learn, the =
rest working there don't deserve the title barista or even barista in train=
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7) From: b cook
Oh ok.  My bad then...I guess I was the one assuming that you had assumed!
Sorry.
brad
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