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Topic: Swiss Gold filter comparison (9 msgs / 267 lines)
1) From: Dave Peckham
Hope someone can assist here.
My sister-in-law got a new 12-cup Black & Decker 
SpaceMaker Coffee System for Christmas, the kind 
that hangs from under a cabinet.  She's asked me 
about getting a replacement permanent filter for 
it, like the Swiss Gold ones that Tom sells.  
After looking at the list on Tom's website, there
are two models that would fit her machines 
  model       top    bottom     height
KF-10 basket  4.375    3.675    2.375  
KF-12 basket  4.000    3.250    2.500  
Not sure which one to get for her.  
Does anyone have any experience with these?
I guess the questions is, does any certain 
combination of height vs. top width vs. bottom 
width have any particular performance advantage 
over the other?  Am I being too obsessive here :)
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2) From: Steve Shank
I believe that *here* (in this group), it is not possible to be too=
 obsessive. We vary and record temperature settings, exact degree of grind,=
 seconds of extraction time, grams of coffee per 10 ounce cup. To even=
 begin to appear *normal* here, you'll have to rig a thermometer to her=
 water to get the exact temperature and analyze the dispersion of the water=
 afterwards to check whether the black and decker is getting uniform=
 extraction from all the grounds, before giving up any automatic maker in=
 favor of total control.
That said, I have no idea which filter to use. 
Steve Shank
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3) From: Jan Sirek
Hi.  Not to be snotty or anything, but don't Black and Decker make low end
junk?  Probably the best thing you could do for your sister in law is help
her return the B&D spacewaster and get her a coffee maker.  I've never fully
understood why the majority of the water in that type of coffee maker
bypasses the filter altogether.  A neat idea for people who want weak coffee
would be to use less grounds.

4) From: Ryuji Suzuki -- JF7WEX
From: "Jan Sirek" 
Subject: RE: +Swiss Gold filter comparison
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:19:57 -0500
I didn't check the Spacesaver but I checked their thermal carafe model
which is a fully satisfactory machine. I think it's pretty close to
where the best machine can be at. I was a bit skeptical at the
beginning so I kept all the box and packaging material while doing
temperature measurement etc, but I threw away the packages. I use it
when I have to wake up with coffee. When I have time I use my Hario
drip system (baby version of Chemex using cotton flannel filter
instead of paper).
Ryuji Suzuki
"I can't believe I'm here.
People always say that I'm a long way from normal."
(Bob Dylan, Normal, Illinois, 13 February 1999)
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5) From: Dave Peckham
Well I tried to get them to buy her something other than that particular
unit, but I believe their key operative here was 'low-cost'.  So what's a
mother to do?

6) From: Arabela
In a message dated 1/3/02 7:03:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
steveshank1 writes:
lol...i agree. 

7) From: Steven Tock
For some people the convienence of having an under the cabinet
coffee maker outweighs the quality of coffee it produces. I 
know, a friend of mine has one (and his wife just gave him one
of the Home Innovations roasters for Christmas. We'll see how
long he keeps the B&D). 
On Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:17:00   
 Dave Peckham wrote:
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8) From: Ed Needham
Obsessive?  Never!  (in my own eyes anyway).  Take a look at my espresso
machine modification...
Ed Needham

9) From: Dave Peckham
Sheeeshh Ed....I guess you learned me a thing or seven!
I withdraw my pathetic statement and quietly crawl back into my hole, tail
firmly ensconced between my legs!! That thing come with its own homeowners

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