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Topic: Grinders and Double Grinding (4 msgs / 109 lines)
1) From: sci
Thanks for pointing that out Sandy. Everybody knows you can always spend
more money, we're all consumers. As Les showed, you can spend $4,842.00. on
a freakin coffee grinder.  I don't mind some friendly advice and some joking
is expected at times. When I originally asked about double grinding, I guess
others got a good laugh out of that, but except for the possibility of this
hurting my grinder, I didn't actually hear anybody give a good reason for
not doing it. Actually, it does work better, so it can't be as bad as
"buying a hammer, a brick, a dustpan and a whisk broom" or "using two
bricks." If it destroys my grinder, then I'll have a really good reason to
buy one of these high-end rigs. There are probably a 1000 degrees of quality
in any cup that we actually drink, and there are dozens of factors
contributing to that elusive quality. Ironically, I can produce a cup of
coffee or an espresso better than any shop within 20 miles of my house, even
with a cheap $50 "fake burr" grinder. Why is that? They have $1000s of gear,
but their espresso tastes horrid. Of course all you die-hard roasters can do
better than me, but asside from getting a good laugh at my expense on this
list for several days, some here also convey a snobbishness that looks down
on a poor fellow who's relatively new at homeroasting and  homebaristahood.
And if my idea of double grinding my beans in a cheap "fake burr" makes more
crema on an espresso, then why berate me with brick and broom jokes?
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2) From: Brett Mason
1. Wasn't meant to be a joke of you or at your expense.
2. Beans make all the difference compared to all the local shops
3. You take more care at preparation than all the local shops.
4. Hard for you to get this - but the grinder WILL be your next hurdle to
cross.
5. Doesn't even have to be $100 - less than $80 for new from Sweet Maria's
6. Stop spending so much time trying to justify that this grinder talk is
nuts
Like I really give a rip?  I thought you came looking for some tips.
For less than $50, I'd still go with the brick...  I've used a rock and fry
pan on a campout - no broom....
Brett
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3) From: John Brown
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i use a hand powered grinder more than my good electric.
it is slower of course  but so am i.
i use a Press Pot most of the time.  so i grind course.  if the bean is 
hard i will open the grind up some  and do it twice.  it does take more 
time still.  and i have to pay attention to the hopper to make sure the 
grounds go through
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4) From: Floyd Lozano
Buying a race car doesn't make one a better driver ;)  Sorry you took
the grinder joking as a jab at your expense.  Try to understand the
grinder debate has gone on longer than you or I have been on the list,
as have the grinder jokes.  Folks like me, and those before me,
sometimes forget that folks newer to the list don't see things that
way.
I can produce, on my $200 refurb Gaggia Evolution, coffee superior to
either the 2 group La Marzocca down the street or the $10,000 Franke
Evolution super auto sitting in a pastry shop in the North End.  But I
could not do so consistently until I got a decent grinder, and
relatively speaking, I got it on the cheap - closing coffee shop sells
Mazzer Super Jolly for $350.  And if the folks knew what they were
doing on the LM, they could do better than me, I am sure (that is if
their beans were fresh, they bothered to clean their grinders, and the
machine for that matter).  Of course, the Franke will always make the
same coffee, every time, so no competition there!
Double grinding will probably pulverize your beans better, producing
more of a powder that will restrict water flow, which works better for
you than the single grind.  Unless you are fastidious about grinder
maintenance, it will gum up the burrs and your grind will become less
and less consistent.  It probably won't hurt the motor.  It probably
won't destroy the burrs.  It probably will make your coffee suck
though.   I'd suggest that you save up for a good grinder if you care
about getting the absolute best flavors from your coffee.  Between the
Capresso Infinity I started with, the Rocky I moved to next, and the
Jolly I ended up with, I spent like $800 on grinders.  I could have
started there and been stunned from the start instead of fighting the
machine for grind supremacy, and I do wish I had known that when I
started the journey, and I am sure others feel the same.
-F
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