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Topic: storing green beans (or roasted) (11 msgs / 380 lines)
1) From: sci
I have about a year's worth in a rotating stock of 30 varieties, and I store
most green beans in plain brown paper bags so they'll breath; some are in
cotton. For long term storage over 8 months, there's an inexpensive method
for vacuum sealing without buying a machine. This vacuum method also works
wonders for roasted coffee as well. I easily keep all of my roasted beans in
near oxygen free storage.
1. Get VacuSeal brand bagshttp://www.vacu-seal.com/ Try BB&B. These cost
about $5 for 7 quart or 5 gallon bags. DO NOT buy the worthless little
vacuum machine that sucks the air out of the bag that costs about $30. You
will not need it.
2. Put your beans in the bag, roasted or green.
3. Use your lips or a straw in the little one-way check valve to draw out
the air. You'll be surprised how you can suck it down to the point that the
beans become a rock hard mass. (No jokes guys)
4. I put my freshly roasted beans in there as soon as they cool, draw the
vacuum, and let them sit for 24-36 hours. As they give off gas, the bag will
slightly inflate with CO2 creating a near oxygen free environment,
especially if you evacuate the gas every so often. It only takes about 3
seconds to draw out the gas. After using the beans, reseal and evacuate the
bag. It is really fast. Roasted beans will stay fresh for two weeks or
longer this way because each time most of the oxygen gets removed. But who
lets good beans sit that long anyway?
5. If you put green beans in there, you can store them in a cool place. I've
tried freezing them in a deep freeze and I've found that it makes little if
any difference. But I haven't tried this for really long term storage like 2
years, though I have some I'm waiting to let sit that long.
6. The bags can be used and reused for a long time. I have a set of 7 quart
bags I've been washing and using for a year. They are pretty tough.
7. Now if you are really picky and have some expensive roasted beans to keep
fresh after opening the bag the first time, do this: Go to a wine store. Buy
a can of wine preserver. This is a can of compressed nitrogen and argon,
both inert gases, noble gases. Seal and vacuum your bag of roasted beans.
Then barely open the ziplock so the tube from the gas can will insert.
Inflate the bag. Remove tube. Reseal zipock. Jumble the  bag around and then
vacuum it. Now your pricey roasted beans are in a nitrogen flushed oxygen
free environment. Why all the trouble. Well, this is the way the big boys do
it to keep foodstuffs fresh for long periods of time (like potato chips).
Oxygen reacts and destroys organic compounds like coffee. I don't do this
all the time because I drink most batches of beans in less than 7 days. It's
really easier than it sounds.
Hope that works for you. It has worked like a charm for me.
Scizen
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2) From: Paul Helbert
Good post & good idea, Thanks!
I recently bought an old seltzer bottle in a junk shop with the idea of
flushing with CO2 but have not been able to find oil-free (food grade) CO2
cartridges to fit it. (Paint ball gun cartridges say not for food & I
suspect oil is the reason). I lent all my old fire extinguisher CO2 gear
that I used to use for kegging home brew beer to a friend.
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3) From: Rich
If a product is not specifically APPROVED by the govt. for food then it 
will be marked non-food if thee is an equivalent food item.
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4) From: Dean De Crisce
Thanks...very helpfull...i will try it tomorrow. And I can't help enjoying the 'rock hard mass' juxtaposed to words like 'lips'...brings back a junior high school giggle.
Dean De Crisce

5) From: Dean De Crisce
Thanks...very helpfull...i will try it tomorrow. And I can't help enjoying the 'rock hard mass' juxtaposed to words like 'lips'...brings back a junior high school giggle.
Dean De Crisce

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Could you go to a paint ball adventure shop and pay them to fill it? I have a Soda Quick machine and I take my cartridge there when the cartridge is empty. 
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7) From: Paul Helbert
This seltzer bottle was made for the cartridges. Don't see any fittings for
alternate filling methods. Good suggestion, though.
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8) From: Cameron Forde
The selzer bottle I have takes 8 gram CO2 cartridges that I used to
buy at Beverages & More in Albany, CA.  Looking at their website they
seem to just be a California chain.  Now I buy them at London Drugs
(western Canada chain).
Cameron
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9) From: Brian Kamnetz
In your opinion, are the VacuSeal brand bags substantially different
than freezer ziplock bags?
Thanks,
Brian
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10) From: sci
Brian,
Yes these bags are different. If you looked at the website you probably
noticed a picture of the bags with a substantial plastic valve on the side
seam. THis is a one-way check valve with a rubber detention ball inside. It
is much more substantial than the little valves used on standard coffee
bags. A standard freezer bag doesn't have a valve allowing a vacuum to be
pulled on the contents. I have also found these bags to be extremely
resilient. I have some that I have used hundreds of times. They are tough.
However, the valve can get debris in it and not seal. Warm soapy water and
rinse between each use makes them good as new. There are lots of other
vacuum bags/machines etc out there, but this one is great for one more
reason: I can use them anywhere, anytime without a gizmo or machine. Just
put the little valve to your lips and suck out the air until the beans are
hard as a rock; takes about 5 seconds.
Ivan
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Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 11:32:15 -0400
From: "Brian Kamnetz" 
Subject: Re: [Homeroast] storing green beans (or roasted)
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In your opinion, are the VacuSeal brand bags substantially different
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Thanks,
Brian
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11) From: Brian Kamnetz
Thanks, Ivan. I just got 18 pounds of greens, which is a 36-week
supply for me, and I was sort of wondering whether I should do
something for storage other than leaving them in the plastic bags the
beans come in. I will pick up some of the bags you describe.
Brian
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