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Topic: bitter brew (12 msgs / 290 lines)
1) From: Jarred Vallozzi
I recently roasted 4 batches of the Brazil Daterra Farms - Yellow Bourbon in
my popper and every batch has a bitter undertone.  The roasts have been
between FC and FC+ and brewed in a french press for 2:30 to 3:00 after 2
days rest.
Anyone have experience with this bean?  I'd like to know if I am doing
something wrong.  I have roasted about 15 lbs of coffee from Sweet Marias
and have never experienced results like this.
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2) From: John Despres
How soon did they reach first? I've roasted this bean and have enjoyed 
it without any bitterness at all. What grind did you use in your French 
Press? I wonder if it was too fine or if some fines made it into your pot.
John
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3) From: Dennis Parham
Of the years I have roasted , the only times I've gotten bitter bean  
face that was within the correct roast level was just me having sinus  
issues... Or roasting too fast and overshooting roast level... But  
that was years ago... ;-)
Dennis Parham
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4) From: John Despres
How soon did they reach first? I've roasted this bean and have enjoyed =
it without any bitterness at all. What grind did you use in your French =
Press? I wonder if it was too fine or if some fines made it into your pot.
John
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5) From: Frank Awbrey
Maybe a couple of more days of rest (or 4 or 5) will help?
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6) From: Jarred Vallozzi
I used my Zass to grind a little more course than drip.  Roast hit first
around 7 min.  I'm going to try decreasing brew time a touch.  I think the
problem is over extraction.  What is throwing me off is the coffee doesn't
taste over extracted like over extracted has tasted before.
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7) From: raymanowen
"Anyone have experience with this bean?"
Not I, but there's always a first time. I volunteer...
A little more sleepy time might help those wonderful orbs.
With a paint and tile peeling heat gun, an automatic bread making machine
and a flour grinding Mazzer for when I want to misuse the bread machine to
make bread, I sometimes get it all together for a roasting and Steinway
event.
The TechniVorm stands on its own, brewing a 16 oz Steinway with 24g of
grounds. I hear chatter that the TV only brews full batches of coffee;
partials are unsatisfactory. If you believe that, Starbucks has your coffee
waiting.
They really only have to brew the Time Change Blend twice a year. Time
Change or Breakfast- what's the diff? 0.97Burned = 0.99Burned. One blend
fits all (OBFA).
Cheers, Mabuhay -RayO, aka Opa!
If the only tool you have is a hammer, the problems all look like nails...
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8) From: Michael Wade
Jared, yes, I experienced the same thing with my latest purchase of that 
coffee.
I roast with a CCR so there is virtually no variation between roasts.  I 
have roasted this same bean (different purchase) before and had no problems. 
It  is one of my favorite coffee discoveries.  I was very much looking 
forward to the cup and was surprised and very disappointed at the 
bitterness.  I've been out of town so haven't had a chance to try another 
batch.  Interesting that you are having the same problem.
Michael

9) From: Jarred Vallozzi
I greatly increased my results with rest and extraction time.  The brew
matured a lot by day 4.  I decreased my normal french press time from 3:00
to 2:00, and increased the coffee/water ratio a bit.
Let me know what subsequent roasts produce.  Thanks for the feedback.
-Jarred
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10) From: sci
Friends, our fresh roasted beans from a whirly blade grinder in an AeroPress
with a paper filter yields a stunningly delicious cup. I've never had a
bitter cup from AP w/PF, even when grinding quite fine with a WB. Sure, it
isn't the absolute best. It isn't a Cona Vacuum Pot cup quality, but it will
beat the pants off nearly anything you can buy out on the street in a
strange place.
Here's my bare bones travel kit:
AP, with assorted paper filters
A cup that will support the AP. Paper cups collapse. Take you own.
A Whirly Blade
Bodum Mini-Ibis water pot
3-4 bags of fresh roasted beans.
[I put the bags of beans in the Ibis to travel and save space]
Great cups. No disappointment. Saves time. Saves $.
Ivan
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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:49:01 -0500
From: "Dean De Crisce" 
Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Fwd: Bitter brew
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Im sure others will have opinions about this...but I'd rather grind the
coffee fresh with a cheap whirly blade (which i use for travel)...than have
the preground coffee stale. Certain brew methods are more forgiving of the
whirly blade...like those with paper filters (such as drip or aeropress).
However the whirly blade would result in a defcon 5 code red status for a
french press or worse, an espresso machine.
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11) From: Allon Stern
On Nov 19, 2008, at 11:57 PM, sci wrote:
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Another travel tip:
If you're traveling and have styrofoam cups handy, first pour the  
ground coffee into a styrofoam cup, then into the AP.
Static will stick the smallest particles will be to the inside of the  
foam cup. Can turn a mediocre grind into a much better one by  
filtering out the fines.
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allon
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12) From: MikeG
I'd rather not send a non-biodegradable cup to the landfill just to
filter out a few particles from a cuppa
Choices and all
Mike
On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 8:48 AM, Allon Stern  wrote:
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