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Topic: *$ OT purchases maker of Clover (7 msgs / 273 lines)
1) From: Dean De Crisce
People get so upset about this! This is business and the way our society works. It is a reflection at times with how our society interacts with other cultures all over the world, every day. It may be how some coffee growing cultures feel about us...that their culture does not enjoy the fruits of their labor...because we buy it all up. When Iived in Mexico, this was an attitude I frequently heard amongst the intelligentsia. Starbucks is doing what we do...and does it well at that. "as you reap...so shall you sow."
Dean De Crisce
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2) From: raymanowen
I don't have a Clover. I've never had a drink brewed in a Clover, and that's
only half of the story. Me and the Mazzer and flash frozen beans got a thing
going.
"Starbucks is doing what we do...and does it well at that. "as you reap...so
shall you sow.""
Gong! The sanitation department is probably working overtime to stay ahead
of that one. You probably plugged their pumps. What the ubiquitous coffee
chains do, they do only to make money. They don't even have access to the
raw materials that we do, so that part of the story is false on its face.
You really have to issue hip waders and put up flood lights so people can
avoid pasture pies like "Starbucks is doing what we do..."
It doesn't fit their business model, so they *couldn't* do what we do. They
make money fooling Yuppies, and they do it well, don't they?
Cheers, Mabuhay -RayO, aka Opa!
The Emperor has no clothes!
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3) From: Dean De Crisce
You took my statements out of context. In saying...starbucks does what we do...i was not at all referring to making coffee. I was referring to the general sentiment that starbucks monopolizes the market and puts the smaller guy out of business. I said this type of behavior mirrored what we as a culture sometimes do to other cultures...in our cultural business model....and we all (U.S.) benefit. Look around your place. Much that is there came from other societies at an unlivable wage. What even us pay here for green beans does not allow the farmers a lifestyle even close to what we enjoy. Clearly this is not a load of cow patty as you suggest. I originally made the comment at all because I was surprised by all the antistarbucks responses about their business choices. It makes sense to me...even if I despise their coffee (which is why I am here in the first place).
Dean De Crisce
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4) From: Dean De Crisce
You took my statements out of context. In saying...starbucks does what we do...i was not at all referring to making coffee. I was referring to the general sentiment that starbucks monopolizes the market and puts the smaller guy out of business. I said this type of behavior mirrored what we as a culture sometimes do to other cultures...in our cultural business model....and we all (U.S.) benefit. Look around your place. Much that is there came from other societies at an unlivable wage. What even we pay here for green beans does not allow the farmers a lifestyle even close to what we enjoy. Clearly this is not a load of cow patty as you suggest. I originally made the comment at all because I was surprised by all the antistarbucks responses about their business choices. It makes sense to me...even if I despise their coffee (which is why I am here in the first place).
Dean De Crisce
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5) From: Bob Hazen
The parallels to another Seattle behemoth are hard to ignore.  Could it be 
the inevitable business cycle that results from an obsessive focus on 
monumental growth?  Recall the events of 100 years ago leading up antitrust 
laws.
I don't want to start a software debate, but it seems people are learning 
that there are options to Microsoft.  People are learning there are options 
to *$.  The Clover isn't, IMHO, likely to differentiate *$ for long.
Bob

6) From: Rich
The Clover is a high tech press pot.  It does have many advantages over 
the original when being operated by the hired help.  The clovr also has 
a lot of gee whiz appeal.
Bob Hazen wrote:
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7) From: Bryan Wray
You really have to issue hip waders and put up flood lights so people
 can
avoid pasture pies like "Starbucks is doing what we do..."
It doesn't fit their business model, so they *couldn't* do what we do.
The hell they can't...  How difficult would it be for Starbucks to
start offering relationship coffees?  And after they do that, do you think
most customers are going to be able to tell the difference between our (indie)
shop relationship coffees and 'Bux relationship coffees?  How many customers are
going to have 15 minutes for you to explain the difference?
They don't have access to the raw materials that we do?  What raw materials?
Yeah, I don't see them serving auction-winning Geisha any time soon
either, but how many people on the list got some auction-winning Esmerelda Especial?
What percent of people that walk in to an independent shop day in and day out
are going to know the difference between Esmerelda Especial and Boquete 
Organic-Los Lajones?  Now, how many are going to know the difference if they 
don't have 10 minutes for you to explain Best of Panama and the story behind 
Esmerelda Especial?  It's not that they can easily start serving CoE coffee, it's
that they are clouding up the minds of customers.  Why is this coffee (a CoE brewed 
pour over style) so much better than one brewed at precisely exact temperatures on a
Clover?  We know the difference, but I bet a customer would get really confused at the
information 'Bux would give them (even if it is in some brochure) vs. the information that
we would give them?
Again, probably over re-acting, but I hope so...
-Bry
Bryan Wray
NaDean's Coffee Place
Kalamazoo, MI
"It is my hope that people realize that coffee is more than just a caffeine delivery service, it can be a culinary art"- Chris Owens of Cafe Grumpy in NYC.
       
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