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Topic: New roaster-Advice? (13 msgs / 409 lines)
1) From: John and Emma
I am just starting out. Haven't received my first batch of beans yet and I'm
going to be using a Poppery II.
As I've been reading these threads and knowing that eventually, I am going
to need a roaster with a greater capacity I went through Sweet Maria's site
and read Tom's evaluations. I read a lot of people talking about the Hot Top
and Behmor. Yet haven't read anything about the Gene Café? I'm wondering
whether for me this might not be the best option? The Hot top is too pricey
and may be beyond what I need and will dedicate to it. The Behmor sounds
nice but is limited by type of bean and roast. I like the option to do dark
roasts and like to try different beans regardless of chafe etc.
Any input on pros and cons of Gene Café? Any other advice?
John
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2) From: Brett Mason
Ask Eddie Dove - he knows them both...
Brett
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3) From: John Despres
Hi, John and welcome!
I use a Gene Cafe and believe it is a great roaster. You can learn a lot =
with it. You'll get lots of opinions here. There's no shortage of =
opinions or excellent help here!
I'll be happy to share as much about the GC as you'd like to know.
John
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4) From: John Despres
Excellent advice! Eddie's the master Gene Cafe roaster. I learned a lot =
from him and have new questions forming in my head. His help and =
guidance moved me along quite quickly.
John
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5) From: Jim Gundlach
On Mar 29, 2008, at 7:29 PM, John and Emma wrote:
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option.
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6) From: Paul
John, I have no problem getting dark roasts out of my BEHMOR. Instead of 4 oz, use 3. Instead of 8 oz, use 6-7. Instead of 16 oz, use 12-13 oz. Works great for me. Whatever profile I use, I just add on the maximum time allowed and hit cool at the proper time. 
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7) From: Kris McN
John,
I roast very chaffy beans in my Behmor all the time with no problem (though
I don't usually go darker than FC+ on any given roast).  I don't feel in any
way bean-limited.
Best,
Kris McN
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8) From: John and Emma
Thanks Brett,
Who is Eddie?
John

9) From: John and Emma
Thanks everyone. I appreciate having other peoples input.
John

10) From: Brett Mason
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11) From: raymanowen
Put your plastic or check book away for a while, John.
The popper will get you started with decent batch sizes for tasting the
differences. You don't risk obliterating too many beans if you dislike the
results.
As for "Dark," it's probably not a wise goal, initially.
You can't recover from "too dark," but "too light" is easy to fix. I think
it's pure fiction that the Behmor roaster won't roast as dark as you like.
The man wouldn't invest the time and money to produce a machine that
arbitrarily shuts out a customer base.
When you get your beans, play around with them and sample the taste before
you worry about how you will roast them by the ton or turn them black.
That's just what you Don't want.
Cheers, Mabuhay -RayO, aka Opa!
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12) From: Eddie Dove
Dear John,  ;-)
A while back a review was written on the Gene Cafe and it is posted at:http://www.homeroasters.org/php/forum/viewthread.php?forum_id=36&thread_i=d=473
Both the Behmor and the Gene Cafe can quite handily roast a 1/2 pound
(227 grams) of coffee and a bit more, but the Behmor 1600 has the
ability to roast up to 1 pound (454 grams) whereas the Gene Cafe's
maximum is 10 oz (300 grams).  With the Gene Cafe, I have had the most
success with respect to profile control using 227 gram batches of
coffee and could take the coffee as dark as I desired.  I like the
infinite control of the Gene Cafe.
With the Behmor, after reviewing the manual, I nailed the second 1/2
pound roast and it turned out very similar to my roasts in the RK
Drum; this was confirmed by Aaron who so generously gifted the Behmor
to me and was the recipient of my first attempts at roasting in that
Behmor.  One can also do various things to control the Behmor as well
and they have been discussed at length on this list.  I like Behmor
1600 as well.
Both of these roasters are back by two very fine gentlemen:
Tim Skaling for the Gene Cafe
Joe Behm for the Behmor 1600
Any time I have had problems with my Gene Cafe, I just called Tim
Skaling.  We would diagnose the roaster, but also take the time for
good conversation too.  Tim knows that I am not afraid of turning a
screwdriver, so he usually just sends me the part and I take care of
it myself.
When it was time to roast those first few batches for Aaron, I wanted
to make sure I was going to send him some good coffee, so I called Joe
Behm.  He personally answered the phone and after a few minutes of
conversation about the profiles and such, I was ready to roast.
However, Joe and I probably spent about an hour on the phone
conversing on any given topic you can imagine; it was a great
conversation and we have had several since.  Joe is passionate about
his product and supporting it and you, the customer.
I hope this is helpful.  Feel free to ask me any questions and contact
me off-list if you so desire.
Have a happy Sunday!
Respectfully,
Eddie
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13) From: Gary Foster
I also roast dark with no problem.  I'm roasting *my* coffee a bit
lighter already, but I keep my wife supplied with Tom's French Roast
blend done to a vienna/light french roast in the behmor with zero
problems.  The only time you'll have problems getting to a dark level
is if you just "set it and forget it" with one of the recommended
profiles.  Those will get you to a city+ or full city generally.  If
you want darker you have to just set the programmed weight higher than
what you put in and extend the time out, and of course watch it
carefully to make sure you don't push it too far.
I roast 1/2# at a time, I select the 1 lb option and 16:30 minutes and
roast on P2 and they come out perfect every time.  My wife *refuses*
to go to a lighter roast level and she complains bitterly when I
"underroast" (according to her) anything.  The above profile in the
Behmor keeps her happy, and I just enjoy my own coffee in my Silvia or
FP.
I think if I wanted to, I could get a 1/2 lb of beans to third crack
without any problems at all :)
It's definitely an untruth that the behmor can't do dark roasts.  It
does them absolutely just fine, thank you very much.  I think Joe
probably tried to shy away from "recommending" them because he didn't
want people to "set it and forget it" and end up torching their
kitchen when they decided to set a quarter lb of beans for 20 minutes
and go watch Lost or something.
-- Gary F.
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