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Topic: Behmor roast #2 (4 msgs / 207 lines)
1) From: Rick Copple
Did my second roast in the Behmor this evening.
Same bean as before, India Baba Budan. This time, I used the 1/2 setting 
for a 1/2 pound of beans, but added as much time as possible with the + 
button. I forgot all about what the A through, D?, what times they 
represented, I guess I was on the default A (assuming it is for P2...but 
that was before I pushed the P2 button, so that's why I was able to add 
more time onto it during the roast).
If there is one thing I would suggest on these, if and when an update 
occurs (and this may have already been mentioned) is arranging this for 
a more intuitive interface. I would expect to naturally go from top to 
bottom on the controls, selecting the settings. It seems to me after 
selecting the size of the load, next you would select the profile, and 
then the time. Yet, those last two are reversed, so I tried to select 
the time and then the profile. I'll remember from now on to do the 
profile before the time, but that makes the flow on the controls 
backwards in that regard. The other non-intuitive design on it is the 
+/- time adjustment buttons. I hit the - one thinking I was adding on 
time because it was on the right, and that's where I would expect the 
"add" button to be, + on the right, - on the left. That would be 
intuitive (at least for the USA world). Then I realized my time was 
going down, not up and looked to see that the buttons were the opposite 
direction.
So, if I could change anything about that, I would rearrange where the 
control buttons are for a more intuitive interface. But that's a minor 
issue. I've dealt with software that was ultra non-intuitive as well. So 
no biggie. You just have to learn that it doesn't go by what's natural 
to you.
Anyway, I added as much time as I could, to the max (I think it was 13 
minutes), and then hit P2 and started it rolling. I was shooting for a 
FC roast this time.
I felt the shift from 100% to 70% happened to early, no doubt due to 
setting the time before setting the profile. I was hoping to shoot for 
the 70% power to kick in around first crack.
Of course, maybe it was close, because I never really heard first crack. 
Just one or two pops. I was really expecting it, because this bean on 
the P1 setting earlier had a fairly distinct and loud first crack. But, 
it never really came, which was my problem.
I was making myself a cup of coffee, getting things ready, keeping an 
eye and ear on the roast. I noticed that I was in the final minute of 
the roast, and I had not heard a clean first crack yet. So, I discovered 
that I could add more time to it (because I had selected the profile 
after selecting the time, I need to re-read on the time buttons to get 
what they are in my head clearly). So I added another push of time to it 
which pushed it back over a minute left to go.
I went back to Aeropressing my cup of coffee. Then I heard cracks. Oh 
good, first crack is in full gear now. Hey...wait a minute! That's not 
first crack. That's second! A nice rolling rice-crispy popping noise had 
filled the air. Darn! I had hoped to kill it right at the first signs of 
second crack. Hit the cool button and hoped for the best.
After cooling and dumping, it appeared to me to be a solid FC+ 
roast...very close to Vienna. Guess I get to see what this bean is like 
at FC+. Darker than I wanted, but maybe it will still be good. However, 
I planned on giving it away to begin with. I'll make a cup with them 
tomorrow evening, and if decent at least, I'll grind them up and have 
them use them up at work. Then tomorrow night I can say, "Darn, I don't 
have a lot of roasted beans. Guess I'll have to roast some more! Yeah!"
The cup I Areopressed, however, was the first Behmor roast of Baba 
Budan. It has developed a nice sweet aftertaste, good nutty flavor with 
that milk chocolate base. Very cool. I expect this FC+ roast to be more 
heavy on the chocolate end, if the bean didn't thin out too much from 
the higher roast level.
Tomorrow night, because I don't think I can wait, I'm going for the IMV 
city roast.
-- 
Rick Copple
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2) From: Bob Hazen
Interesting viewpoint.  I can see what you mean.  Having arrived at 
Behmor-land from IRoast-land, I found the Behmor interface a delight.  Now 
if you really want to see counter-intuitive....  It's name is IRoast!
Bob
From: "Rick Copple" 
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3) From: Bob Luis
Came the same route Bob, found no problem with the Behmor!!
Bbo
On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 6:08 PM, Bob Hazen  wrote:
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4) From: Rick Copple
Bob Luis wrote:
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Well, never having used an IRoast, I'll defer to both your experiences 
on that point.
That said, I only pointed out the very minor backwardsness of the 
buttons so that, one, others would be aware of it, and two, so Joe would 
be aware of it if and when they ever decide to do a new version, update 
it (though it is likely he is already aware of it, but you never know). 
I wouldn't update it just for that, like I said, it is minor. Not a 
biggie at all. But, despite all my reading, I did push the buttons in 
the wrong order due to it. Now I know to drop to the bottom and hit a 
profile before I slip back to the middle to set a time. I would by no 
means say it is majorly non-intuitive, just on those two places where 
what comes natural isn't what you should do. And I know from what others 
have said and my own conversation with Joe via email, that he wants this 
to be as good as possible. So, that is the origin of my observations. 
Not to diss the product which I love. Keeping in mind I'm a writer, and 
my work gets critiqued all the time! And I want it to be! Cause I want 
it to be better than it is.
But if that is all I ever find that could be improved on this roaster, I 
would say this is a near perfect roaster by all accounts. :)
Now, back to the coffee. After last night's dark roast (I decided it 
landed on the high end of a FC+) of the Baba Budan (notes say FC 
tops...but that's just for the best origin flavor), I brews a pot in my 
Yama to drink today at work.
Well, it did have the darker roast bite that a *$s has, but not quite as 
over powering (after all, they probably go into Vienna and beyond!). 
However, the flavor I had along with that was actually pretty good. A 
sweet raisin flavor, spiced, came through. The aftertaste was really 
sweet, and lingered in the mouth. I could easily imagine a *$s fan 
tasting this and getting blown away, because it has some similarities 
with their coffee in the bite, but loads more flavor and sweetness that 
comes shining through. This roast level is actually pretty darn good. 
So, be aware, you can take the Baba Budan to a FC+ and still have a very 
good coffee. No nutty flavor at all, but very solid and strong at that 
roast level.
Now, I couldn't resist. I pulled out the Behmor again tonight and 
decided to go with a pound of IMV and shoot for a city roast. Long story 
short: I nailed it. When first crack began to die down, before it was 
finished, I hit the cool button. I set it at P3, and time "D" setting. I 
believe that started it out at 22 minutes, if I recall correctly. First 
crack began in earnest after the timer dropped under 5 minutes, and I 
hit the cool button around 3.
I would almost say I hit a very low city roast, on the edge of a 
cinnamon roast. Looks very evenly roasted for an Ethiopian (but then 
again, I am used to the wok's uneven roasting). It's resting and I'll 
give it a try tomorrow morning.
The only problem I had was a small chaff fire, that I didn't even see. 
All I know is right about when I hit the cool button, smoke came pouring 
out the door. That surprised me, cause I had only reached a city roast, 
nothing way dark. But the IMV is a heavy chaff coffee. As I said, I 
didn't see the fire, only some chaff being blown around glowing along 
their edges shortly after the cooling started, and the smoke should have 
clued me in too. But when I really realized it was after pulling the 
chaff collector out, a charred spot in one corner had discolored the 
shiny metal.
But it never erupted into anything major and the machine never needed to 
shut off. And like I say, I never saw the fire, just the smoke and the 
evidence after opening it up.
One other oddity. The IMV isn't a real small coffee bean, but it is 
smaller than most. So I sort of expected some beans would fall through 
from everything everyone has said. Yet, when I loaded them I spun the 
drum around, nothing fell out. And not one bean fell out during the 
roast. I also ordered the smaller mesh drum, and while I believe I can 
see a difference between the two, it doesn't seem to be that big of a 
difference. So I'm almost wondering if I've ended up with two small mesh 
drums. Guess I should whip out a good ruler and measure the width of the 
holes and see for sure if there is a difference (my eyes could be 
fooling me).
But, can't wait to try out the IMV!
-- 
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