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1) From: Alex Fitch
I have been reading this list for about a week now and have learned  
quite a bit. But I have some questions for those with more experience.
I started roasting my own about 3 months ago. I find my popper  
requires me to roast often due to the lower volume. Not that I mind,  
but time is short and I am becoming less tolerant of commercial coffee.
So if I wish to have more control, larger volumes of roast potential,  
and take my roasting to the next level what is the advise of the  
group. My research has lead to consider the two following roasters,  
Behmor and the Gene Cafe.
Thank you,
Alex
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2) From: Rich
The Behmor will roast a full pound, the Gene will not.  The Behmor is 
lower cost.  Look in your wallet, have extra money to spend?  The 
differential is $200.00, that will buy a lot of nice green coffee.
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3) From: Frank Parth
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Alex,
Welcome to the group. You'll find everyone here, no matter their level of experience, is very passionate about 
roastinggreat coffee.
I started with a Zach & Dani's roaster, then sold it to someone else who loved the idea of roasting coffee and moved up 
to a Gene Cafe. It has worked great for me. It gives me great control over the roast. The only downsides are thatfirst 
and second crack can be little hard to hear over the sounds of the roaster (there are ways to overcome that), and it 
doesn't provide the fast cooling that other options do. But I wouldn't trade it in for anything else rightnow.
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4) From: Bill
Don't forget to check out Heat-gun/dog bowl (or bread machine) roasting.
 Lots of fun as you watch the roast progress.  otherwise, the behmor gets
lots of good buzz on the list.  both do, actually, but the behmor is
cheaper...bill
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5) From: John Despres
Welcome, Alex.
I use a Gene Cafe and thoroughly enjoy roasting with it. For me, it's =
the best roaster out there. You have total and 100% control over the =
roast giving you a great deal of flexibility.
There are many folk here who will help you with any questions you may have.
You'll also get lots of opinions as to which roaster, as well.
Good luck. Let us know what you decide!
John
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6) From: Les
Welcome to the list!  I used a popper for 18 years.  Plug and Play you are
looking at the Genie Cafe, Behmor, or Hottop if you are wanting to move to a
drum and at least a half pound.  Each has their plus and minus features.
The RK drum is a good route to go if you don't mind a bit of tinkering.  The
ultimate IMNSHO is the one pound US Roasters Corp.roaster.  Spendy but you
will never have upgrade fever again.
Les
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7) From: Coffee
On the other hand... With the Gene Cafe you have total control over  
time and temperature. You can easily see the beans roasting, and there  
is almost no risk of fire on those dark roasts.
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8) From: Alex Fitch
You raise many good points, and that is what I am looking for. Those  =
things I can not determine or discover by looking at adds on the  =
internet. There is no one in my area that sells roasters. So I am  =
trying to collect all the info I can prior to deciding. Once again  =
Thank you.
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Alex Fitch
(703) 625-4352 (cell)
Alex
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9) From: Eddie Dove
Alex,
Welcome aboard!
The Gene Cafe is about $200.00 more than the Behmor.  If that is not
the deciding factor, then taste preferences, control and capacity are
certainly worthy of consideration.
The Gene Cafe is a bit of a hybrid with its method of roasting.  It
does use forced hot air, but is not a fluid-bed roaster like your
popper.  It can still produce the bright roasts, but perhaps not quite
so bright; the flavors should be familiar.  The Behmor produces a
flavor profile of a drum roast and might be a welcome addition to your
roasting arsenal.  With the Behmor, you can add drum roasting flavor
profiles and still use your popper when you desire that air-roasted
flavor.
The Gene Cafe gives you full control throughout the roast, which is
appealing to some and bothersome to others; you can control the time
and temp on the fly.  The Behmor has roast control via the selection
of 5 different profiles with available adjustments for time, batch
size and initiation of the cooling cycle.  Both roasters can roast a
have pound plus, but the Behmor can roast up to a full pound.
The Behmor does have smoke abatement technology and aesthetically can
assume the position of any appliance on the counter whereas the Gene
Cafe would draw "What is that?" attention to itself.
If you are a do-it-yourselfer, you could hotrod your poppers for
greater capacity and control:http://www.homeroasters.org/php/forum/viewthread.php?forum_id2&thread_id'0I hope this is helpful ...
Eddie
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10) From: Dean De Crisce
I have the behmor and am very pleased with it...and understand its limitations for the price. I live in a city apt and heat gun or any outdoor method is not an option for me. Believe it or not I was using my oven for a while and I kinda liked it...allowed some temp control and large batches (1/2 pound or more)...but I understand it was not ideal. I use the behmor and roast a 1/2 pound every three days. My wife really isn't a coffee drinker and that is enough for me. I am no master...but this has worked for me and given me unbelievable espresso every morning. My tastes are a little unusual and I can make at  home what I have never had anywhere else.
Dean De Crisce
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11) From: miKe mcKoffee
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Just thinking there's a lot of parallels between home roasting setups and
home espresso setups. More inexpensive entry level units of both "can"
achieve great results with adequate tweaking including often modifying the
units but also can often be hit or miss without extreme attention to the
minutest detail. Learning curves tend to be steep. Ease of use and
repeatable quality tends to go up as the price goes up. 
OTOH if going directly to a top machine one may not fully appreciate the
beauty of the upper echelon machines unless first spending time in the
trenches! 
Les spent 20 years in the trenches before reaching home roasting equipment
Nirvana with his USRC. Others get there quicker, some never.
Kona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffeehttp://www.mckoffee.com/Ultimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must">http://www.mcKonaKoffee.comURL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://www.mckoffee.com/Ultimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must
first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment
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12) From: Barry Luterman
I agree it's an adventure. I would also add do not regret any money spent
trying to achieve your goal. Constant upgrades do have merit
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13) From: Coffee
I owned a couple of espresso machines before my current Andreja  
Premium. With the higher end equipment you definitely get greater  
consistency and repeatability. When I have a bunch of friends over and  
I have to pull 9 double shots of espresso and 4 or 5 lattes it's  
practically effortless with the Andreja. I don't think I'll feel the  
need to upgrade any time soon. In the long run, it would have been  
cheaper to start here.
Now to upgrade the roaster ...
-Peter
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14) From: Gregg Talton
Alex, I have both the Gene Cafe and a Behmor and like both.  The Gene Cafe
is a terrific roaster with ultimate control.  Change time or temp at any
time during the roast with no problems.  I absolutely love my Behmor and use
it about 70% of the time.  The pre programmed profiles work fine for me and
I have learned how to play a bit to stretch a roast if I so desire.
 However, If I'm going to roast a coffee really dark (usually Moka Kadir) I
use the Gene Cafe simply because it's easier.  Honestly, I could probably
use the Behmor with a half pound of coffee set to one pound on P1 and burn
it to a crisp... I just haven't.  I do need to order a new basket for the
Behmor for roasting smaller beans.  That's been the only headache but it's
fixable with an order from SM.
Gregg
Roasting in the Carolinas...
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