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Topic: Rossi, Rancilio, or Mazzer grinder? (9 msgs / 231 lines)
1) From: Kris McN
All,
I've come into possession of 3 used, commercial grinders: a Mazzer Super
Jolly, Rancilio MD50, and Rossi RR45.  I'm only going to keep one and sell
the others, so I'm trying to decide which one to keep.   They are all in
good shape - all 3 will probably outlive me.  The Mazzer and Rossi have new
burrs, and it would be straight forward to get new ones for the Rancilio.
I'd end up mod'ing whichever one I keep - they all have dosers and
ridiculously large hoppers.  They all have big ol' flat burrs (63.5 mm on
the Rancilio and the Ross, 64 mm on the Mazzer). So, on the face of it,
there's not much recommending one over the other.  I can't tell any
difference in the grinds I get out of any of them for the various brew
methods I use (moka pot, FP, AP).  I don't do espresso at the moment, but
I'm moving in that direction, so I wonder if there will be a difference in
how they do for espresso, either in grind quality, or in how easy or
difficult it is to dial them in.  I'm afraid this is the kind of thing I
won't know until I actually use them for espresso grinding.
So, I'm wondering if there's an espresso fiend out there within a couple
hours drive of Corvallis, Oregon, who would be willing to spend a morning or
afternoon with me pulling shots.  You have the machine and skills, and I'll
bring the grinders, beans, and snacks!  I'm trying to think of a way to
sweeten the deal (maybe some fresh eggs from my hens?).  Contact me off-list
if you're up for it (krismcn).  Of course, if anyone has
experience with all 3 of these grinders and knows of an obvious choice, let
me know.
Thanks,
Kris McN
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2) From: raymanowen
"... there's not much recommending one over the other."
There may, indeed, be a recommendation found in your own comment. Only one
has old burrs, yet all three seem to grind the same, speaks well of the
Rancillio MD50.
Now, for utility and probable machine longevity, I personally like the
Mazzer's adjustability. Get the heavy one.
Oops- Iron Chef's on
Cheers, Mabuhay -RayO, aka Opa!
On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 6:46 PM, Kris McN  wrote:
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3) From: miKe mcKoffee
I'd probably keep the SJ being stepless for finer grind adjustability.
Fairly certain both the MD50 & RR45 stepped though not huge steps. Plus if
planning to use a hopper, the short Mazzer Mini hopper fits the SJ just
fine. (Though it does look kind of funny such a small hopper on such a
goodly sized grinder:-) Doser grind sweep isn't great on the SJ (or about
any Mazzer!), but easy to tape mod for good clean sweep.
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4) From: Allon Stern
On Apr 6, 2008, at 9:28 PM, miKe mcKoffee wrote:
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Espressoparts sells a replacement collar for the RR45 with more steps.
I tried making mine stepless using teflon tape but it kept slipping,  
and I had to redo the tape after disassembly (deep cleaning). Are any  
"stepless mods" anything more than just teflon tape?
(Not saying the RR45 is a better grinder - I have no experience with  
anything other than the RR45, but I figured I'd add that piece of  
information to the general pool)
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5) From: Kris McN
Hmmm.  Good point, miKe.
Ray - per your repeated admonitions, I can't hold any of these grinders with
one hand at arm's length.  Heck, I can't hardly hold any of them with *both*
hands at arm's length!
Would a 100w difference between the SJ and the Rossi/Rancilio (350 vs. 450)
raise anyone's eyebrows?
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6) From: miKe mcKoffee
IF used in a busy scenario the SJ's lower wattage and higher RPM would
result in faster heating, not a good thing. However, I'm talking busy as in
café not home scenario. Unless you happen to entertain at home A HECK OF A
LOT and have a three group espresso machine hammering away full bore! Then
you'd want a heavier duty grinder for your main grinder than any of those
three anyway:-)
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7) From: Allon Stern
On Apr 8, 2008, at 1:49 AM, stereoplegic wrote:
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Thanks for the link!
Mine does have a doser, but I have contemplated going doserless. I  
guess if I do, I may have to investigate some sort of active static- 
reducing method...
Or HERE'S an idea...
How about a low current, high voltage generator on metal portafilter  
support forks that generate the OPPOSITE charge of that imparted to  
the grounds? Then instead of stray coffee spraying everywhere, it all  
gets sucked right into the portafilter! Just like the industrial  
spraypaint machines....
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8) From: stereoplegic
like Allon, i have no experience w/ the SJ nor the MD50, but i do have a 
Rosito Bisani (rebadged Rossi) RR45 that came w/o doser, top burr and 
carrier, adjustment collar and hopper (but also only cost me about $70 
shipped). cafeparts.com has cheaper burrs than espressoparts.com, and 
the the only adjustment ring they offer for that model is the one 
EspressoParts lists as "automatic" (the one w/ more/finer steps, and 
also cheaper @ CafeParts-just make sure you order the pin). check 
EspressoParts to see which ring/pin combination you have, as you may 
already have the best one. the teflon tape stepless mod didn't do the 
trick for me either (it kept wandering until i put on too much tape to 
easily adjust), but it does reduce a great deal of noise.
Allon- here's a reference to a stepless mod that i found:http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Alt/alt.coffee/2006-03/msg03027.htmlRossi burrs are much cheaper than SJ burrs, but probably won't last 
nearly as long either. as far as mods go, be prepared for some headaches 
and lots of cleanup should you decide to go doserless. mine produces a 
great deal of static.
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9) From: Mike Koenig
Don't go doserless.....  I rejoice every day since I switched to a
grinder with a doser.  No longer do I need to fiddle around with
various cheats, tricks, and tribal dances to overcome clumps.
And I don't need any bizarre apparatuses, like fermented milk
containers, or devices normally used to prod dead frogs.
To get back to the original topic,  I'd keep the Mazzer personally,
but a stepped grinder might be easier to go back and forth between
brewed and espresso.
--mike
On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 1:30 AM, Allon Stern  wrote:
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