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Topic: Taste and satisfaction (9 msgs / 326 lines)
1) From: John Despres
Just musing here a bit...
Just a while ago, on my way out the door, I turned on the Cartoon =
Espresso Machine (CEM) for a quick shot before running out the door on =
errands. Since I'm new to espresso and this machine ain't the best, I'm =
not sure what went wrong. The shot was not as satisfying as some others =
I've pulled. Being in a hurry, I used the Illy espresso grind I bought =
for grind samples. Suffice it to say, it was not very good.
As I was driving away with the memory of a less than quality shot, =
something occurred to me. I have been drinking less coffee since I began =
home roasting. The coffee I roast and drink is extremely satisfying. =
With that satisfaction comes less desire for another cuppa joe.
A couple years ago I read a wonderful book called "The Emperors of =
Chocolate - Inside The Secret World of Hershey & Mars" by Joel Glenn =
Brenner. There was a passage about the production of M&Ms and the =
research that went into the development of the candy as we know it =
today. Mars spent a great deal of time trying different recipes and =
testing them on employees. Each new formula was tried in candy dishes =
throughout company headquarters. While the candy was deemed to be =
delicious, it just wasn't being consumed very quickly or very much. The =
thought behind this was the "satisfaction quotient", if you will. The =
more satisfying the candy, the less you desire more. It tastes great =
while It's in your mouth, and leaves a stunning aftertaste. Mars worked =
diligently to reduce the resulting satisfaction and arrived at a recipe =
that is delicious yet leaves you wanting more. After all, how many of us =
can et just a few M&Ms from that big bag there? Not me, I need more and =
more as I am an M&M junkie. Really, once we're satisfied with something, =
we tend to leave it alone a bit more.
The less than tasty shot wasn't very satisfying at all and left me =
wanting more. Upon my return home, I pulled another shot, this time =
using my own roast of Ethiopia Golacha, and was very pleased with the =
extremely satisfying flavor.
The coffee I roast is very satisfying and leaves me wanting just a bit =
less in my day.
John
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2) From: Dave
Since I started roasting coffee...
First I was going to bed at night looking forward to my morning cup,
next I found I was drinking 3 big mugs every day instead of the 2 I
used to drink. Finally I'm now 25% more grounds per cup...
Nope, I guess I'm not drinking less because of "higher satisfaction"
-- 
Dave
Some days...
It's just not worth chewing through the leather straps
On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 1:15 PM, John Despres
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3) From: Bryan Wray
I hope you understand when I say that I am completely backwards of you...
Haha
-Bry
 
"It is my hope that people realize that coffee is more than just a caffeine delivery service, it can be a culinary art"- Chris Owens of Cafe Grumpy in NYC.
       
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4) From: Bill
I'm with John.  I've found that I'm drinking 16 oz of coffee in the morning
and an occasional 2nd pot of FP in the afternoon.  But yes, now that I'm
enjoying my coffee instead of just looking for a jolt, I'm drinking less and
enjoying it more...bill
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5) From:
I am with you, since I started roasting my consumption is down and my
enjoyment is up.  I am doing maybe 2 or 3 cappuccinos or one French press of
brewed coffee a day.  Before I started roasting I was drinking coffee
continually.

6) From: raymanowen
Since I've started home roasting in earnest, I've found that merely making
good coffee is not my goal. I always attracted a small crowd from the
offices when I'd roast in my battery charger shop in a Melitta Aroma Roast.
[The smallest chargers were 150A on a single 48V fork truck L-A battery.]
60V @ full charge, and the batteries liked distilled water from my steam
still. So did everyone that  soaked up my coffee.
With  rest, I'd grind the Kenya AA in my grindmaster and brew four pots
before there was enough left for me to fill my (coffee) mug and catch a few
refills.
I got a rebuilt Brewmatic (3) station 12- cup brewer from Boyer Coffee, and
Bill had set the temperature thermostat to 198 F, IIRC. I just knew it
wasn't scalding hot, so I liked it.
It's nice that people compliment you on your coffee. That's about one shot
short of a double when you're doing it gratis- doesn't count. People would
flock to *$ for that.
I only roast, grind and brew for Yours Truly, the hedonist. My Celtic Critic
and I only like coffee for its effect as brewed. The Vietnamese beans of
several years ago had a delicate fragrant flavor at first.
I avoided the jar of roasted beans for weeks because of all the negative
comments on list. When I again tried some after 8 weeks' rest, they hadn't
aged, they morphed- Eau de Dragstrip. Egad, what a blast.
Sweet Maria's Classic Italian espresso blend blew us away. The first sip of
7 hour aged, barely Vienna roasted in 18:35, had an almost shocking Mint
flavor for openers. It dissipated in the mouth and shot, and I've never
gotten it since.
How am I going to explain that one? Research- try again!
Cheers, Mabuhay -RayO, aka Opa!
If my coffee and beans are great when I give it away at cost or cost plus,
I'm an Idiot...
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7) From: miKe mcKoffee
Been chasing fresh roast whole beans since 1984 and have always looked
forward to that first cup of the morning. (Only home roasting going on 8yrs)
Past number of years first cup of the day is an Americano, still always is.
These days some day I might only have a one additional "cup", most often a
straight shot. Other days like today started as usual with an Americano
before heading into the Kafe 6am pre-open. Later made a cap' to go with a
fresh out of the oven pineapple mango macadamia nut scone. Later still was
"playing/practicing" with new restricted Linea tip and steaming in 3oz
pitcher for no waste macchiatos, don't you know drank two of 'em. No day
goes by at the Kafe without a straight shot of Ohana so let it be written so
let it be pulled some time early this afternoon. Yum. A bit before closing a
customer (Zachary) came in and order a mach'. After he finished it he order
a straight shot. We got in a great conversation discussing the merits of
"toddy" for iced coffee versus espresso shots (guess who was proponent of
shots:-) so I broke open a bag of Yirg' Kochere and proceeded to dial it in.
Choked the Linea first pull. (I mean 20 seconds and not a drop!) Next pull a
very tight ristretto, not what I wanted for an iced Americano but drank half
of the sweet nectar sharing it with Zach'. Adjusted grind a wee bit more and
pulled a stellar normale. Somehow it didn't make it to the waiting glass of
water for his iced Americano, (we split that one too;-) But I still had to
prove a well pulled shot makes a fantastic "iced coffee" so pulled another
for his iced Kochere Americano, pulled into the waiting water, then ice
added. His comment was something like the best, liveliest smoothest
Americano he'd ever tasted:-)
Oh the thread... taste, satisfaction, and consumption. Depends. Today was a
WHOLE BUNCH of very satisfying cups:-) If you want to really see coffee
fiends in extreme consumption, come to PNWG VI!!!
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8) From: Coffee
I'm drinking more... It's so good, and I'm the only coffee drinker in  
the house, I find I have to drink more to keep up with production ;-)  
I like roasting and trying different kinds of coffee. With half-pound  
batches, the only way to get to roast more is to drink more ... and  
I'm OK with that.
-Peter
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9) From: Lynne
I'm drinking more (although the number of cups I consume each day is
directly proportional to the number of enticing messages I read on this
list, lol). When I started homeroasting, I remember saying that I drank one,
at the most two cups a day - because after that, the 'acid' flavor really
was too much for me. (and, being a lifelong coffee lover, I was always on
the search for the best coffee I could find).
I've switched to mostly decaf now, and although I never thought caffeine
really effected me, I feel better these days. But a good cup of homeroast
always leads to my wanting another - I admit, however, that the flavors of
that indescribable homeroast lingers on for a long time.
On the other hand, I don't like Mars candy, and the only aftertaste I can
sense is sugar, sugar, sugar - and chemicals. Yuck (you can have all the
M&M's that come my way, btw!) Now a good piece of Ghiradelli chocolate..
that's another thing. Since I can't afford the brands that are even
better... so I don't want to educate my palate, lol... but.. when I take a
peek at Alchemist John's site, every now & then - the idea of chocolate
roasting is SO tempting...
Lynne (whose hips do NOT need a chocolate hobby!)
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