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1) From: happyusx4
Greetings!
I was reading an article in the March 2008 Good Housekeeping magazine and wondered if anyone had heard of the claim they made.  According to the article, the coffee oil cafestol causes your cholesterol to rise, as much as 8-10 percent in four weeks. The study used 10 milligrams of cafestol a day, which would translate to about 25 oz of brewed coffee or 10 oz of expresso.
They suggest using paper filters which absorb the oil, which is why I don't use them.  
Has anyone else heard of this problem?
Blessings!
Nancy
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2) From: Lindsay Murphy
I've not heard coffee accused of messing with one's lipid profile,
although it makes a certain degree of sense - caffeine is metabolized to
a number of xanthine compounds, most of which promote lipolysis
(breakdown of fat for energy).  Triglycerides move lipids around the
bloodstream, so yes, if you're breaking down a lot of fat, you'll have
an elevated lipid profile.  I don't know anything clinically about this
cafestol.  The studies look interesting, although I'm a bit suspicious
of the fact that there have been no RCTs (randomized clinical trials);
all the papers I could find in OVID are either mouse toxicity studies,
mouse genetic knockout studies or retrospective, case-analysis stuff in
humans.  
I do know that coffee has a fairly strong neuroprotective effect,
though, so if you're concerned about Parkinson's or Alzheimer's, it's a
good reason to have an extra cup. :-)
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3) From: R Nepsund
:-(
I did a quick google on it.   It's mentioned a number of respectable places
that the coffee oils have this problem.  French-press's and boiled coffee
have this problem.
I vaguely remember reading something about the aeropress maker using paper
filters because the inventor was fanitical about cholesterol.
I'm trying to get my cholesterol down.  I suppose I'll have to go back to
paper filters for now.  Until I can find out a way around this.  I don't
have the time now.
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4) From: Lynne
We talked about this some time ago, here on this list. I think there was one
study done (I found it in one of my searches a long time ago) something like
20 years ago. It's very possible that it does raise cholesterol - sigh - I
really, really prefer FP method, so I although I've almost entirely switched
to decaf, I prefer my FP - and not ready to give it up.
Lynne
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5) From: Eddie Dove
"They suggest using paper filters which absorb the oil, which is why I
don't use them."
Kinda defeats the whole point, doesn't it?
The number of components and compounds in coffee that is bandied about
today is around 1300.  Studying the effects of just one in isolation
does not take into account all of the other components and the effects
of them consumed in unison.  There are many conflicting studies on
this topic.  There is some interesting information and links provided
as part of a thread on CG:http://www.coffeegeek.com/forums/espresso/general/363292#363292A while back my doctor told me that my cholesterol was a bit high and
wanted to put me on medication.  I refused, was given a diet and told
to come back in three months.  I was also instructed to cut back or
cut out the the coffee to which I insolently responded, "No.  I'll die
happy!"  (I can get away with this because she buys coffee from me.)
I insisted the test results were atypical because everyone was out of
town for the weekend and I had the house to myself.  The results of my
next test came back fine.
The important question is, does it raise YOUR cholesterol?  If not,
worrying about it will likely raise your blood pressure and give you
anxiety.  For GOOD NEWS about coffee:http://www.positivelycoffee.org/Mavis Leyer stated it well, "Life's journey is not to arrive at the
grave safely, in a well-preserved body, but rather to skid in
sideways, totally worn out, shouting, 'Holy crap, what a ride!'"
I shall be having another unfiltered cup of the Panama SHB Las
Victorias whilst I finish my last of eight roasts today, the India
Mallali Estate "Tree-Dried Natural"... I'm thinking a Full City roast
for the milk chocolate.
Respectfully,
Eddie
-- 
Utinam logica falsa tuam philosophiam total suffodiant!
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6) From: Bob Hazen
Eddie,
I like what you said.  Life is too short for bad coffee and blended whisky 
and... and....
I'm not about to worry that coffee is elevating my cholesterol.  We all have 
to die of >something< right?
Bob
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7) From: Jeff
Here's an analogy which demonstrates what I believe in regard to such 
subjects. If you find an unbiased doctor who is willing to be honest 
with you, and I have, the truth is that tobacco alone is not the 
problem. It's a combination of factors. That's why there are people who 
smoke into their 90's without developing serious smoking-related 
disease, and some who succumb to lung cancer at an early age.
I suspect the same is true of coffee and cholesterol as well as 
countless other effects we try to attribute to a single cause.
Please don't get me wrong. I believe smoking is a foolish and dangerous 
thing to do, along with many other things such as eating a steady diet 
of cholesterol-laden food. But I do believe we should have the right to 
make our own choices (and mistakes) in such matters, be it food, coffee, 
tobacco, alcohol, sky-diving, etc., etc. etc.
The anti-smoking crowd is not pleased with me!
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8) From: Sean Cary
I drink 20 - 30+ ounces of coffee a day and my cholesterol is always right
around 100...never more then 120.
I eat very "spartan?" however, very low carb/low fat and I train/exercise/PT
every day for and hour to and hour and a half...
YMMV...
Sean
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9) From: John Despres
Hmmm. I guess then my cholesterol is 8 - 10 points low. With my coffee =
consumption, it's perfect.
Friends don't let friends use paper filters. Unless it's Chemex.
John
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10) From: Dean De Crisce
They have done other studies...a scandanavian one in particular that showed that boiled coffee, non paper filtered was associated with a rise in homocysteine and lipid levels which may correlate with adverse cardiac outcomes. I am not aware of specific studies involving cafestol.
I will try to find some links to post.
Dean De Crisce
Sent from a Treo.

11) From: raymanowen
"...caffeine is metabolized to a number of xanthine compounds, most of which
promote lipolysis..."
In the case of this Ethiopian Sidamo- the first time in weeks that I've
roasted with my HG/MB setup and the Grand Slam cooler- the hydrocarbons
carrying the caffeine taste Gorgeous. A few snaps of Second Crack meant that
the other 1,213 beans never reached Second. A nice Full City that I'll flash
freeze and grind in portion for Sarah to take with her to Day One as a
buyer's assistant.
I'm using all of my paper filters to make displays in my new paper filter
museum. I personally encourage all the lipolysis I can muster. My former
espresso maker no longer has any use for potential  lipolysis-promoting
compounds, so The TV moves ahead with the 16oz Steinways.
Cheers, Mabuhay -RayO, aka Opa!
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12) From: sci
Nancy,
I have definitely heard of this and have been tracking the research. It's a
big concern. Seems that diterpene oils raise cholesterol. I'm not sure if
cafestol is one of the diterpenes. Anyway, for this reason and this reason
only, I have taken to putting a paper filter over my FP plunger.  I now use
the AP most of the time now; it is so simple. You get a lot of great coffee
filtered though a small paper filter that imparts virtually no tastes to the
coffee. So, now I only drink filtered coffee now. I actually gave up
espresso because of this health problem. I drink only 1 per week now. My
cholestrol was borderline 210ish, so every little bit helps to lower it. It
is down to 180 now.
Another great way to make filtered coffee is the Chemex. Those filters are
great.
Thanks for mentioning this. Maybe somebody else knows more. I'm hoping more
research will be done.
Ivan
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Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 19:24:41 +0000
From: happyusx4
Subject: [Homeroast] coffee and high cholesterol
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Greetings!
I was reading an article in the March 2008 Good Housekeeping magazine and
wondered if anyone had heard of the claim they made.  According to the
article, the coffee oil cafestol causes your cholesterol to rise, as much as
8-10 percent in four weeks. The study used 10 milligrams of cafestol a day,
which would translate to about 25 oz of brewed coffee or 10 oz of expresso.
They suggest using paper filters which absorb the oil, which is why I don't
use them.
Has anyone else heard of this problem?
Blessings!
Nancy
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13) From: Jesse Van Der Molen
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-Jesse
sci  wrote: Nancy,
I have definitely heard of this and have been tracking the research. It's a
big concern. Seems that diterpene oils raise cholesterol. I'm not sure if
cafestol is one of the diterpenes. Anyway, for this reason and this reason
only, I have taken to putting a paper filter over my FP plunger.  I now use
the AP most of the time now; it is so simple. You get a lot of great coffee
filtered though a small paper filter that imparts virtually no tastes to the
coffee. So, now I only drink filtered coffee now. I actually gave up
espresso because of this health problem. I drink only 1 per week now. My
cholestrol was borderline 210ish, so every little bit helps to lower it. It
is down to 180 now.
Another great way to make filtered coffee is the Chemex. Those filters are
great.
Thanks for mentioning this. Maybe somebody else knows more. I'm hoping more
research will be done.
Ivan
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Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 19:24:41 +0000
From: happyusx4
Subject: [Homeroast] coffee and high cholesterol
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Greetings!
I was reading an article in the March 2008 Good Housekeeping magazine and
wondered if anyone had heard of the claim they made.  According to the
article, the coffee oil cafestol causes your cholesterol to rise, as much as
8-10 percent in four weeks. The study used 10 milligrams of cafestol a day,
which would translate to about 25 oz of brewed coffee or 10 oz of expresso.
They suggest using paper filters which absorb the oil, which is why I don't
use them.
Has anyone else heard of this problem?
Blessings!
Nancy
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14) From: gin
Hi all:
I happened to be at the docs last week for a "check up."
He mentioned that my cholesterol was a bit on the high side, always has been.
We discussed diet. There was not one mention about my double double espressos 
in the morning. She did as that when I can in next to skip my espresso because
it did effect my blood pressure reading.
Family history plays a role...
ginny
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15) From: Morris Nelson
I have been enjoying everyone's comments.  Was the study referenced in GH
with or without the other 1299 substances in coffee? I looked at the Science
website and I saw so many articles suggesting all the good things about
coffee. So, if the bad things about coffee are going to influence you, the
positive must also.  
One very important way to determine if this is an issue for each of us
individually is to "look in the mirror" and see our parent.  We have the
opportunity to avoid many of the things that affected our parents. My father
lived past the age of 90.  Whether he realized it or not, he took some of
Mavis' advice on the way to his grave. I plan to do the same. 
Excellent reminder Nancy.
Morris

16) From: Allon Stern
On Apr 27, 2008, at 3:55 PM, sci wrote:
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Just when you thought it was safe to go in the (hot) water.....
There's now the concern over BPA. The AP is polycarbonate.
Why can't life be simple?
The monster AP thread on CG has comments about it from Alan at page 155.http://coffeegeek.com/forums/coffee/machines/195166?Page5He points out:
"We will soon be testing the actual migration from the AeroPress,  
however it's unlikely that it will be substantially higher than the  
amount used here which was based on the Journal of the Food Hygienic  
Society of Japan.  If however the AeroPress migrated ten times the  
level assumed here, then about 30 cups of AeroPress coffee would  
equal the average adult's daily consumption of BPA."
-
allon
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17) From: Lynne
Concern over polycarbonates is what kept me from buying one right from the
beginning. I was reading articles way back that cautioned about that (and
it's used so much, all around us).
As far as the cholesterol factor goes, I can't find any recent studies.http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7911820 (1994)http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/abstract/321/21/1432  (1989)">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6855815  (1983)http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7911820 (1994)http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/abstract/321/21/1432  (1989)
OK, this one was from 1997:http://arjournals.annualreviews.org/doi/abs/10.1146/annurev.nutr.17.1.305But this was the one that was the most interesting of them all. This was a
study between 1979 and 1982, and they concluded that the men in the study
were eating (donuts?) along with their increase of coffee consumption, and
the blame could be on the added fat & calories.
Interesting. Sigh... none of this is actually all that relevant for us. It
may be true - however, I doubt that anyone here drinks 'boiled' coffee.
Would be interesting if another study was done with French Press and
espresso - but only black, as they can't have the added factor of cream -
and definitely no donuts to go along with the coffee!!
Lynne
(still drinking coffee made in her French Press, although now it's mostly
decaf)
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18) From: Lynne
Forgot to add the link for this one!http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/122/1/1But
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19) From: Treshell
Didn't they decide that it was the coffee solids that could cause a problem?
I thought the end of the study said that if you filtered it and didn't eat
the grounds you didn't have the problem?  So I guess that means we need to
look at the chocolate covered beans?
Do I need to go back and look up my source on this?
Tres
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20) From: raymanowen
"coffee and high cholesterol"
Oh, how sweet it is!
I'm an idiot, just like the designers of the Crapesso Espresso Luxe thingy I
was using. Part of the valve body group cracked, just downstream of the
heat/ steam thermoblock.
Of course, they're not going to sell me a valve or valve body parts, so all
I can do is clamp it, like applying pressure to a wound to keep it from
bleeding. Happily, I never had to do that, but the concept is the same for
the low pressure hydraulics of a simple gimple expresso maker.
Well, it works after a fashion- brews a mighty fine espresso drink that
isn't packed as tight as I would normally tap, tap and tamp with a joystick
motion. The manual always said that- rereading led to remembering.
Almost 33% of the heated water still leaks out as I brew, but the preheated
reservoir adds to the power of the heater so it can maintain the brew
temperature for the excessive volume. Amazing how good 9g of Monkey blend at

21) From: sci
Steve,
Really? You're an MD, so you should know. I'm just finding it difficult to
believe. Is there any research that debunks the "lipid Hypothesis"?
Ivan
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 08:00:04 -0400
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Bear in mind that elevated cholesterol in an of itself is a weak cardiac
risk factor, so most people with high cholesterol have nothing to worry
about. In addition it is the cholesterol/hdl ratio that matters far more
than any absolute number including triglycerides or Ldl. Risk factors
that really matter are diabetes, hypertension, smoking etc.
The cholesterol thing has been terribly blown out of proportion by the
pharmaceutical industry and physicians who have been too uncritical of
the the studies, and the recent hub bub about zetia/vytoren only bears
this out. The Lipid Hypothesis, so called, is still just that, an
hypothesis. So drink coffee however you like and enjoy!!
Steve Bien, MD
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22) From: sci
Jesse,
Please note that the study used pure cafestol, without sugar and cream etc.
The whole idea of doing a study like this is to isolate the one element that
is hypothesized to cause raised LDL.
Some have said that raised LDL isn't all that bad for you. Without pulling a
complete lipo-profile from espresso drinkers (sans cream and sugar) and
non-espresso drinkers, we'll probably never know. Further research is
merited, since nearly half of the global population drinks coffee.
For now, I'll stick to coffee filtered by chemex filters and an occasional
espresso or unfiltered method.
Ivan
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 13:08:46 -0700 (PDT)
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cholesterol haven't been very specific. "Espresso drinks" or "non
filtered coffee drinks" are most commonly sugar and milk laden
atrocities. So there are other factors which are influencing the rise in
cholesterol--including lifestyle choices: smoking, drinking, etc. As far
as I know there has been no scientifically proven link between high
cholesterol and unfiltered coffee.
-Jesse
sci  wrote: Nancy,
I have definitely heard of this and have been tracking the research.
It's a
big concern. Seems that diterpene oils raise cholesterol. I'm not sure
if
cafestol is one of the diterpenes. Anyway, for this reason and this
reason
only, I have taken to putting a paper filter over my FP plunger.  I now
use
the AP most of the time now; it is so simple. You get a lot of great
coffee
filtered though a small paper filter that imparts virtually no tastes to
the
coffee. So, now I only drink filtered coffee now. I actually gave up
espresso because of this health problem. I drink only 1 per week now. My
cholestrol was borderline 210ish, so every little bit helps to lower it.
It
is down to 180 now.
Another great way to make filtered coffee is the Chemex. Those filters
are
great.
Thanks for mentioning this. Maybe somebody else knows more. I'm hoping
more
research will be done.
Ivan
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Greetings!
I was reading an article in the March 2008 Good Housekeeping magazine
and
wondered if anyone had heard of the claim they made.  According to the
article, the coffee oil cafestol causes your cholesterol to rise, as
much as
8-10 percent in four weeks. The study used 10 milligrams of cafestol a
day,
which would translate to about 25 oz of brewed coffee or 10 oz of
expresso.
They suggest using paper filters which absorb the oil, which is why I
don't
use them.
Has anyone else heard of this problem?
Blessings!
Nancy
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23) From: Lynne
Ivan -
I'm actually considering a Chemex as my next coffee apparatus, when I can
afford a gift to myself. Haven't had my cholesterol taken in a few months,
but I've been trying to get some better numbers - I have heart disease on
both sides of my family (my dad, rest his soul, had five or six heart
attacks before the final one got him - he was one tough Polack!), need to
lose (more) weight, and I refuse to take statins...changing so much of my
diet, but I refuse to give up my coffee.
I do love my French Press, though. I like the stronger brew it makes - how
does the Chemex compare?
As far as the studies go, I'd be happier if there were more recent ones,
and, especially, if other methods of brewing were used (as I mentioned
before). Boiling - ugh...
Please note that the study used pure cafestol, without sugar and cream etc.
Which study is that? (Wondering if I missed one)
Lynne
(who finds this way more interesting than most 'normal' people...lol)
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24) From: Ed Needham
Think Ebay.  Look for the Chemex pots that have three little glass ridges or 
feet on the bottom.  Or if they list a model number, avoid those with CM-3A 
or CM-4A.  The 'A' designates a thinner, more cheaply made pot.  They even 
feel cheaper in your hand.  I use the bog Chemex CM-4 on a daily basis, but 
the CM-3 is a nice personal size too.
You can sometimes snag them on Ebay for $15-$20 on a good day.
Use white filters for much better flavor.
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25) From: Lynne
Thanks, Ed, for all the info. I've been checking out eBay today.
Lynne
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26) From: Allon Stern
On Apr 28, 2008, at 6:55 PM, Lynne wrote:
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I'm resurrecting this thread, since I just discovered that my  
cholesterol is high. *sigh*
Wikipedia for Cafestol turned up:http://ntp.niehs.nih.gov/ntp/htdocs/Chem_Background/ExSumPdf/
Cafestol.pdf
which provides some numbers, in section 7.0 Human Exposure:
The highest concentration of these  constituents occurs in  
Scandinavian-style (cafestol: 7.2 mg/cup [cup = 150 mL]; kahweol: 7.2  
mg/cup) and Turkish-style (cafestol: 5.3 mg/cup; kahweol: 5.4 mg/cup)  
boiled coffee, while instant, drip-filtered, and percolated coffee  
brews contain negligible amounts.  French press coffee has an average  
cafestol content of 3.5 mg/cup and kahweol content of 4.4 mg/cup,  
while espresso coffee has 1 mg/cup of each diterpene (Gross et al.,  
1997; Urgert et al., 1995b). Regular and decaffeinated coffees also  
have similar diterpene contents.  I
1 mg/cup in espresso? I hardly ever drink a cup of espresso. Usually  
only 1.5-2oz at a time, maybe 3 shots a day...
I wonder if it's per serving, not cup measurement....sloppy writing.
But still, exposure is exposure....I may try cutting out espresso,  
favoring the AP, and see how I do. My diet is already pretty decent,  
though I may make some other adjustments.
And I wanted a Silvia for my birthday. Wahhh.
Maybe a new grinder instead? :)
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27) From: Sandy Andina
It's all about your lipid profile, not just total serum cholesterol.  
What's your LDL, VLDL, HDL and the ratio between them? (The higher the  
HDL--which raises your total cholesterol and thus deceives you into  
thinking you're unhealthy--the better). How are your triglycerides  
(bad stuff)?  Are you already on a statin (which makes the situation a  
little less crucial)?  Even if your lipid profile is unhealthy, do you  
have other risk factors such as obesity, sedentary lifestyle,  
diabetes, hypertension, smoking, previous heart disease history or  
family heart disease history?  Have you had a scan to see if there are  
plaques or calcifications in your coronary arteries? Have you had your  
C-reactive protein and homocysteine levels tested? (These indicate a  
tendency toward inflammation, which with crumbly arterial plaques, is  
the real culprit). High cholesterol--even an unhealthy lipid profile-- 
does not in itself correlate to heart disease without other risk  
factors. And finally--if you're going to do espresso, relax--the 1mg.  
cafestol is per 6-8-oz. cup, not demitasse cup--the water's time in  
contact with the coffee grounds is *very* short.  And how much of a  
rise in "bad" cholesterol (LDL, VLDL, triglycerides) and/or drop in  
HDL does 1 mg of cafestol cause?
Relax, have an espresso (hold the sugar), go for a walk or swim and  
then meditate.  Buy that Silvia.  (My husband the cardiologist, who  
has a double Americano every morning, concurs).
Sandy Andina
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28) From: raymanowen
Allon, go for the grinder. Get the best and it will serve well, no matter
what you're brewing.
We all know the folks that denigrate those that propose the use of high
grade equipment to process the extremely high grade coffee beans we get from
Sweet Maria's. Why waste the beans with toy equipment?
I'm a know-nothing, but I take baby steps to figure things out. Lacking the
professional training and unpublished, hence questionable "research," I
always thought the grinder was the roadblock to releasing the Liquid Gold
from the beans. Don't discount the effect of the grinder- it's huge.
I don't have any axe to grind or point to prove, but the personal research
is a fabulous journey.
Cheers, Mabuhay -RayO, aka Opa!
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29) From: Sandy Andina
Of course he should get a good grinder.  But he was wondering if he  
needed to abandon espresso (and the purchase of a Silvia) because of  
cholesterol concerns--he wasn't asking which he should buy first.
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30) From: Allon Stern
On May 9, 2008, at 4:28 PM, Sandy Andina wrote:
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and I've got a good espresso grinder already.
I was thinking of a good non-espresso grinder for home.
And, FWIW, I unfortunately do have a number of other risk factors; my  
diet is already reasonably healthy, though I probably don't get as  
much exercise as I should.
At the very least, I may attempt to take a few data points on how  
espresso affects my own cholesterol level, at least as well as I can.
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31) From: Sandy Andina
For heart patients with hypertension or pre-diabetes, caffeine is more  
of a concern than cafestol.  But unless you're knocking back four or  
five doubles a day, neither should be a factor (and there's always  
decaf).
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