Good morning all, Question about resting. Once roast has cooled, does resting need to be done in air-tight environment, or do the beans need to offgas in the open air for a time? I just started using a vacuum "seal-a-meal" device that removes air from specially designed canister. My question is, does it hurt the newly roasted beans to vac right after cooling? Sunday AM Cup Hawaii Kona Purple Mountain C+ in Yama VP/Cory glass rod. Bob and Ellen Glasscock 148 Woodland Court Greenville, AL 36037 Homeroast mailing list Homeroasthttp://www.homeroasting.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20">http://lists.sweetmariascoffee.com/listinfo.cgi/homeroast-sweetmariascoffee.comHomeroast community pictures 9upload yours!) :http://www.homeroasting.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20 |
Bob, You will likely get a range of responses to this question, but I think most will agree that it is undesirable to seal the bean for a day or so, because doing so seems to blunt the flavors. After that, some people will likely say that if you consume the roasted beans within 9 days or so, it is fine to leave them in open air. Others will say that it pays to maintain CO2 in the container in order to force out the O2. But the consensus answer (at least, as I perceive the responses to questions similar to yours over the past few years) to your actual question seems to be that it is not good to seal the beans for the first 24 hours. Brian On 5/4/08, Bob Glasscock wrote: <Snip> Homeroast mailing list Homeroasthttp://www.homeroasting.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20">http://lists.sweetmariascoffee.com/listinfo.cgi/homeroast-sweetmariascoffee.comHomeroast community pictures 9upload yours!) :http://www.homeroasting.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20 |
Brian, do you just drop 'em in an open jar and let them sit that way for a day or so? Or do you jut set the lid loosely? I always close the jar right away. I suppose closing the jar up right away is stopping the degassing - once the pressure builds up inside the jar to some level, maybe the degassing stops until that pressure is released. I really haven't noticed any adverse effects on the flavors, but this method may improve flavors... Hmmm. I'll try it next - but doesn't leaving the coffee open and exposed speed up the undesirable process of going stale? John Brian Kamnetz wrote: <Snip> -- John A C Despres Hug your kids 616.437.9182 Scene It All Productions JD's Coffee Provoked Ramblings Homeroast mailing list Homeroasthttp://www.homeroasting.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20">http://lists.sweetmariascoffee.com/listinfo.cgi/homeroast-sweetmariascoffee.comHomeroast community pictures 9upload yours!) :http://www.homeroasting.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20 |
John, I think it was Ed Needham who has reported studying this question, comparing beans left in open dishes with beans in sealed jars, and his findings indicated that there is no reason to not simply let roasted beans sit in an open bowl, as long as they are consumed in around 9 days. IIRC, he also found that beans sealed immediately after roasting suffered. I personally subscribe more to the Ray-O method. Immediately after roasting I pour the beans into a glass jar and loosely put the cover on, so that any gas produced is able to easily force something (I'm betting that it is O2) out of the top of the jar, leaving the beans immersed in CO2. I assume the primary role of the lid is to prevent stray drafts from wafting the CO2 out of the jar. Later, as I use the beams, I still do not tightly seal the lid, just turn it on loosely, and carefully scoop the beans out with a ladle, trying to disturb as little as possible the CO2 that is hopefully protecting the roasted beans from O2. I should hasten to add that I am proceeding solely on the reports, theory, and hypothesizing passed along by others on this list, and have not carried out my own experimentation. Brian On 5/4/08, John Despres wrote: <Snip> Homeroast mailing list Homeroasthttp://www.homeroasting.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20">http://lists.sweetmariascoffee.com/listinfo.cgi/homeroast-sweetmariascoffee.comHomeroast community pictures 9upload yours!) :http://www.homeroasting.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20 |
Why, if you are a homeroaster, would you need to roast and seal beans? I might understand doing this if you intended to travel for a few weeks away from good coffee (why go there if there isn't good coffee?) and roasting equipment, but why not roast, brew, roast, brew, roast, brew? Your beans will taste heavenly for at a minimum of a week, and probably be indistinguishable (for most people) from week old beans at two weeks. I roast in five pound batches, and coffee is roasted and gone in less than a week. I see absolutely no reason to vac seal or prepare for long term storage within that week. On the whole, homeroasters tend to go to great extremes to achieve little or nothing, for the sake of retaining their CSA status.http://home.comcast.net/~mdmint/coffee/csa12steps.htmRoast enough beans for a week. Store in any respectable container. Don't wait for them to age (I mean "rest", excuse me). Enjoy them at all points along the staling process. Use. Roast again. Am I missing something here? ********************* Ed Needham "to absurdity and beyond!"http://www.homeroaster.com********************* |
What I posted was more of an observation and theory, based on a little bit of Googling molecular weights and making assumptions, since CO2 atomic weight was heavier at 44 and O2 was 32. A mason jar with a loose lid 'might' allow CO2 degassing to push out the O2, as it does when brewing beer. A sealed lid would seal in the oxygen and 'might' tend to stale coffee faster. All of this is a moot point though for most homeroasters, who use their beans in a very short time and really don't let coffee stale to the point of taking on bad tastes. At least I hope homeroasters don't settle for stale, rancid coffee. It's a fact that roasted beans put off quite a bit of CO2 as they stale. The 'big five' supermarket-preground roasters grind and stale their beans for up to six months to keep them from puffing up their pretty bags on the supermarket shelf. It really doesn't matter with the level of coffee they are selling. Bad will be bad whether fresh or stale. With homeroast, it's another issue altogether. There are very elusive and volatile flavors and aromas that disappear within a few days of roasting. Some don't like these, and must 'rest' the beans until they dissipate. I tend to crave these flavors and smells, and find coffee becoming less desirable after only a few days. It is not bad at that point, and it is still 'very' fresh, but something has gone away. It's all about personal tastes though, so who am I to require everyone to brew and drink coffee the way I do? Go, roast, brew, drink! ********************* Ed Needham "to absurdity and beyond!"http://www.homeroaster.com********************* |
I read that one ought to let the beans sit, unsealed, for 12+ hours before sealing in a jar. I have done that with two different 1/2 lb. batches and found them to be quite stale, even on the first brew. Jesse Brian Kamnetz wrote: John, I think it was Ed Needham who has reported studying this question, comparing beans left in open dishes with beans in sealed jars, and his findings indicated that there is no reason to not simply let roasted beans sit in an open bowl, as long as they are consumed in around 9 days. IIRC, he also found that beans sealed immediately after roasting suffered. I personally subscribe more to the Ray-O method. Immediately after roasting I pour the beans into a glass jar and loosely put the cover on, so that any gas produced is able to easily force something (I'm betting that it is O2) out of the top of the jar, leaving the beans immersed in CO2. I assume the primary role of the lid is to prevent stray drafts from wafting the CO2 out of the jar. Later, as I use the beams, I still do not tightly seal the lid, just turn it on loosely, and carefully scoop the beans out with a ladle, trying to disturb as little as possible the CO2 that is hopefully protecting the roasted beans from O2. I should hasten to add that I am proceeding solely on the reports, theory, and hypothesizing passed along by others on this list, and have not carried out my own experimentation. Brian On 5/4/08, John Despres wrote: <Snip> Homeroast mailing list Homeroasthttp://www.homeroasting.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20---------------------------------">http://lists.sweetmariascoffee.com/listinfo.cgi/homeroast-sweetmariascoffee.comHomeroast community pictures 9upload yours!) :http://www.homeroasting.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20--------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. Homeroast mailing list Homeroasthttp://www.homeroasting.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20">http://lists.sweetmariascoffee.com/listinfo.cgi/homeroast-sweetmariascoffee.comHomeroast community pictures 9upload yours!) :http://www.homeroasting.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20 |
If we had a "Sticky" or FAQ on this list I'd nominate this post of Ed's to top the list. On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 12:21 PM, Ed Needham wrote: <Snip> -- Paul Helbert Prepackaged, roasted & ground coffee,,, Some of the worst ideas since sliced bread. Homeroast mailing list Homeroasthttp://www.homeroasting.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20">http://lists.sweetmariascoffee.com/listinfo.cgi/homeroast-sweetmariascoffee.comHomeroast community pictures 9upload yours!) :http://www.homeroasting.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20 |
All good points, Ed. No argument from me. I'll give it the loose lid try. Thanks for sharing! John Ed Needham wrote: <Snip> -- John A C Despres Hug your kids 616.437.9182 Scene It All Productions JD's Coffee Provoked Ramblings Homeroast mailing list Homeroasthttp://www.homeroasting.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20">http://lists.sweetmariascoffee.com/listinfo.cgi/homeroast-sweetmariascoffee.comHomeroast community pictures 9upload yours!) :http://www.homeroasting.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20 |
I have de gassed in an open mason jar overnight then closed the canister. I have closed the cannister right after cooling. I have also used a seal-a-meal bag. I have not appreciated any different in taste. The bag of course inflates somewhat overnight. My standard practice is to degass for 4-8 hours and then close. This is based upon recommendation. Dean De Crisce Sent from a Treo. |
To all who responded, thanks. I'm embarrassed to admit that I have been going from the colander directly to locking containers and just recently to Foodsaver containers that allow you to vacuum seal, thinking that "air is the enemy." Now I see that Pogo was right when he said "I have seen the enemy, and it are us." I will repent and let the air in. Bob G. Bob and Ellen Glasscock 148 Woodland Court Greenville, AL 36037 Homeroast mailing list Homeroasthttp://www.homeroasting.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20">http://lists.sweetmariascoffee.com/listinfo.cgi/homeroast-sweetmariascoffee.comHomeroast community pictures 9upload yours!) :http://www.homeroasting.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20 |
Repent or not, now my turn to chime in. I'll continuing vac' sealing mason jars-o-beans directly after roast cooling as have been doing for over 7 years home roasting. Served many a visitng coffee fiend many a time with nada but good reports on the cups from vac storage method, including Tom. mcKona Koffee will also continue to vacuum evacuate valve bags after heat sealing. Pacific Northwest Gathering VIhttp://www.mcKonaKoffee.comURL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://www.mckoffee.com/Ultimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must">http://home.comcast.net/~mckona/PNWGVI.htmKona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffeehttp://www.mcKonaKoffee.comURL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://www.mckoffee.com/Ultimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before. Sweet Maria's List - Searchable Archiveshttp://themeyers.org/HomeRoast/ <Snip> Homeroast mailing list Homeroasthttp://www.homeroasting.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20">http://lists.sweetmariascoffee.com/listinfo.cgi/homeroast-sweetmariascoffee.comHomeroast community pictures 9upload yours!) :http://www.homeroasting.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20 |
Bob Glasscock wrote: <Snip> Don't know you need to let the air in, you just need to ensure it can get out. :) When I started, using Tom's suggestions on his site, I used a few mason jars. For the first few hours after roasting, I would leave the lids on but not tightened down, to allow the degassing to happen. Then, at some point after four hours (the minimum to degas off the immediate sharp taste for most coffee) I would seal the jar shut. But after a couple months of that, I switched to using the plastic degassing gift bags to store coffee in, so I didn't have to remember to do that. I can dump the beans in there and the degassing happens automatically, and no O2 will get in to stale them. But like Ed, I only roast enough for a week (2 pounds for me, being the only coffee drinker though my son and daughter will occasionally get a cup). There is little reason to vac seal roasted beans unless you need to store them for long periods of time. But you definitely wouldn't want to vac seal in the gas that needs to escape right after roasting, I would think that would affect the flavor of the beans. -- Rick Copplehttp://www.rlcopple.com/Homeroast mailing list Homeroasthttp://www.homeroasting.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20">http://lists.sweetmariascoffee.com/listinfo.cgi/homeroast-sweetmariascoffee.comHomeroast community pictures 9upload yours!) :http://www.homeroasting.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20 |
<Snip> But you definitely <Snip> Why? You "think" the beans under vacuum will not degas CO2? Contrare. Affecting the flavor wise sure it would affect the flavor, but not necessarily negatively IMO. Affect as in basically slowing the staling process. Have said many times (even earlier today) have served vac'd right after cooling beans many times over the years to many very picky Listers including Tom, always with favorable results. I do agree vacuum sealing not mandatory or even "very" beneficial when roasts consumed within a week. But start using the beans after 4 or 5 days development rest and then consume them for a week or two and definitely beneficial IMO. Pacific Northwest Gathering VIhttp://www.mcKonaKoffee.comURL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://www.mckoffee.com/Ultimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must">http://home.comcast.net/~mckona/PNWGVI.htmKona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffeehttp://www.mcKonaKoffee.comURL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://www.mckoffee.com/Ultimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before. Sweet Maria's List - Searchable Archiveshttp://themeyers.org/HomeRoast/Homeroast mailing list Homeroasthttp://www.homeroasting.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20">http://lists.sweetmariascoffee.com/listinfo.cgi/homeroast-sweetmariascoffee.comHomeroast community pictures 9upload yours!) :http://www.homeroasting.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20 |
I can't see that it would hurt it a bit to vac seal. I'm just saying that if someone is homeroasting at least once a week, then it's likely unnecessary. We coffee folk are funny about our brew. ********************* Ed Needham "to absurdity and beyond!"http://www.homeroaster.com********************* |
miKe mcKoffee wrote: <Snip> You may be correct, and I've not tested it. I think someone else had mentioned that their test had a negative effect, can't recall who without tracking it down. But, my impression both by what I've read on Tom's site and other places, that the first four hours at least you need to have the gas escape. But of course, since the beans are degassing, you can't really vac seal them, since they will still build up pressure and pillow out. Seems that gas needs somewhere to go, or it could burst a seam eventually, but you can't make it a vacuum environment, really. Not sure what one would accomplish with it opposed to just using a degassing bag or mason jars. Either method will effectively keep the beans away from the O2. Just vac sealing would trap all that gas inside and not let it escape, which I think would affect the flavor, potentially negatively if it keeps the flavors you want to degas out trapped in and around the beans. But, like I said, I've not personally tested it (have no reason to do so, really) and so I'll defer to your experience on it. So, I guess you are saying, that fresh roasted, sharp edge will disappear even if you vac seal it all in there and don't let the gas escape? Seems like that would at least make it take longer than four hours to get the just-roasted edge off. Don't know I want it to take longer to get to that stage. -- Rick Copplehttp://www.rlcopple.com/Homeroast mailing list Homeroasthttp://www.homeroasting.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20">http://lists.sweetmariascoffee.com/listinfo.cgi/homeroast-sweetmariascoffee.comHomeroast community pictures 9upload yours!) :http://www.homeroasting.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20 |
snip: Ed Needham <Snip> aromas that disappear within a few days of roasting. Some don't like these, and must 'rest' the beans until they dissipate. I tend to crave these flavors and smells, and find coffee becoming less desirable after only a few days. It is not bad at that point, and it is still 'very' fresh, but something has gone away. I like to try a roast from out of the drum and each day thereafter, and find some are very good right after a roast and then lose it for a day or two and rebound after 3 to 4 days developing body and unique flavors that were not there after a day but were there out of the drum, I'm not sure why this happens but it does, I store my roast in either valve bags or regular brown coffee bags. If I roast a lot that is not going to be consumed in a week I use a valve bag and freeze them in a 0 degree freezer after 48 hrs. rest. Everyone is different on there methods, I suggest you try several and see which ones work for you. RK <Snip> Homeroast mailing list Homeroasthttp://www.homeroasting.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20">http://lists.sweetmariascoffee.com/listinfo.cgi/homeroast-sweetmariascoffee.comHomeroast community pictures 9upload yours!) :http://www.homeroasting.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20 |
The initial vac sealing would at least remove much of the oxygen, which we know has a staling/oxidizing effect on the beans. Some say the CO2, when left on the beans has a negative effect also. I have no evidence of that and have not seen any bad effect from CO2 as a preservative. Now here's another thought... As a homebrewer, I am keenly aware of the effect that sunlight can have on beer. In a very brief time, sunlight can skunk good beer. Bottlers that use clear or green bottles are not protected from this skunking effect, but brown bottles filter the harmful light and minimize the effect. I wonder if sunlight might negatively affect coffee beans. Anyone have a clear jar and a brown jar and a windowsill? ********************* Ed Needham "to absurdity and beyond!"http://www.homeroaster.com********************* |
I agree completely. Your description is exactly my experience also. ********************* Ed Needham "to absurdity and beyond!"http://www.homeroaster.com********************* |
Not at all absurd. I've never seen a brown Mason jar (green, yes) maybe just not paying attention; but I have paint. One experiment coming up. On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 10:52 AM, Ed Needham wrote: <Snip> -- Paul Helbert Prepackaged, roasted & ground coffee,,, Some of the worst ideas since sliced bread. Homeroast mailing list Homeroasthttp://www.homeroasting.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20">http://lists.sweetmariascoffee.com/listinfo.cgi/homeroast-sweetmariascoffee.comHomeroast community pictures 9upload yours!) :http://www.homeroasting.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20 |
Had always heard that the stalers of coffee are: oxygen, water, and light. Excited to hear about the results of this experiment... I keep my beans in a dark cupboard. I roast for a friend who leaves them by the coffee pot in the kitchen lights. Anyone know if artificial light is said to be a staling factor as well? bill in wyo On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 8:52 AM, Ed Needham wrote: <Snip> Homeroast mailing list Homeroasthttp://www.homeroasting.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20">http://lists.sweetmariascoffee.com/listinfo.cgi/homeroast-sweetmariascoffee.comHomeroast community pictures 9upload yours!) :http://www.homeroasting.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20 |
What about another staler - time! Someone can test this by keeping coffee in a maintained vacuum environment with no light - see if the coffee cups as well in a month or two with identically roasted coffee (will require vacuum environment and very good profile control) On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 11:18 AM, Bill wrote: <Snip> Homeroast mailing list Homeroasthttp://www.homeroasting.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20">http://lists.sweetmariascoffee.com/listinfo.cgi/homeroast-sweetmariascoffee.comHomeroast community pictures 9upload yours!) :http://www.homeroasting.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20 |
Not to nit pick, but can you describe the 'stale' flavor? |
This morning I painted a Mason Jelly Jar flat black on the outside. Now before I roast something and begin, I need to figure how to control the temperature in the two jars. The black one will surely heat up...so maybe I need to over paint white or aluminum. Just used the first thing that came to hand. The clear jar will also make a greenhouse heat trap if left in the sun with dark brown coffee beans in it. Need to get the temp control idea worked out before starting or we have too many variables. On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 1:32 PM, Floyd Lozano wrote: <Snip> -- Paul Helbert Prepackaged, roasted & ground coffee,,, Some of the worst ideas since sliced bread. Homeroast mailing list Homeroasthttp://www.homeroasting.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20">http://lists.sweetmariascoffee.com/listinfo.cgi/homeroast-sweetmariascoffee.comHomeroast community pictures 9upload yours!) :http://www.homeroasting.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20 |
why not put them in a controlled area out of direct sun light. Then the jar color and green house effect should be minimal. ------------------------------ Alex Fitch Alex On May 5, 2008, at 4:34 PM, Paul Helbert wrote: <Snip> Homeroast mailing list Homeroasthttp://www.homeroasting.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20">http://lists.sweetmariascoffee.com/listinfo.cgi/homeroast-sweetmariascoffee.comHomeroast community pictures 9upload yours!) :http://www.homeroasting.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20 |
On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 4:56 PM, Alex Fitch wrote: <Snip> Why not? Because we are trying to assess the deleterious effect of sunlight on the coffee. At least (without looking back) that's where I thought this started. -- Paul Helbert Prepackaged, roasted & ground coffee,,, Some of the worst ideas since sliced bread. Homeroast mailing list Homeroasthttp://www.homeroasting.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20">http://lists.sweetmariascoffee.com/listinfo.cgi/homeroast-sweetmariascoffee.comHomeroast community pictures 9upload yours!) :http://www.homeroasting.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20 |
Here's a very easy and successful resting technique that has lots of versatility. I've got lots of homemade storage solutions (jars and airtight containers with valves and pump gadgets, but this one is just the best I've found.) I use Vacu Seal bags and put a rock-hard vacuum on those beans while they are still warmish from roasting. Since it is a bag, the bag conforms to the beans and doesn't leave a big empty space in the container like a jar. The O2 is virtually gone from the git-go. The sealed bag will slightly inflate from degassing. I can leave them this way as long as I like, or pull another hard vacuum at any point, removing even the CO2 and the minute amount of O2. After opening the bag to use the beans, simply pull another hard vacuum on them to evacuate the O2. Presto! Virtually O2 free vacuum storage. If I have a really expensive bean that I want to use beyond a 10 days, I flush the bag with a puff or two of canned nitrogen, an inert gas like CO2. But for ordinary beans that I'm using within a 5 day window, the normal vacuum works like a charm. It only takes about 5 seconds to seal and vacuum the bag. I have a handful of bags that are over 6 months old. They are very tough, inexpensive, and I highly recommend them. They come in 1qt. and 1gal. size. FWIW, Ivan Homeroast mailing list Homeroasthttp://www.homeroasting.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20">http://lists.sweetmariascoffee.com/listinfo.cgi/homeroast-sweetmariascoffee.comHomeroast community pictures 9upload yours!) :http://www.homeroasting.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20 |
I see that some of my posts show up days later??? Dean De Crisce Sent from a Treo phone. |
The sunlight / no sunlight experiment is going to have to wait until the weekend. Sorry, but my son just called to see if I could join him (and his French Broad River staff) canoing on the New River Gorge tomorrow and camp out with them tomorrow night. That's an offer I shall not refuse. So, this evening I had to roast a pound for camping and half a pound for my wife to use in a silent auction for the teacher's association Wednesday evening. Gotta get going extra early to double up farm chores, pack and get things lined up to be gone overnight. Allon, I hope to blow through here, change vehicles and still make the pick up Wednesday evening. All y'all carry on without me. See you on the river! -- Paul Helbert Prepackaged, roasted & ground coffee,,, Some of the worst ideas since sliced bread. Homeroast mailing list Homeroasthttp://www.homeroasting.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20">http://lists.sweetmariascoffee.com/listinfo.cgi/homeroast-sweetmariascoffee.comHomeroast community pictures 9upload yours!) :http://www.homeroasting.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20 |
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What type of bag are you using and what do you use for the vacuum? -jrj sci wrote: <Snip> Homeroast mailing list Homeroasthttp://www.homeroasting.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20">http://lists.sweetmariascoffee.com/listinfo.cgi/homeroast-sweetmariascoffee.comHomeroast community pictures 9upload yours!) :http://www.homeroasting.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20 |
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Same here. My post show up, up to three days later. ------------------------------ Alex Fitch Alex On May 5, 2008, at 9:28 PM, Dean De Crisce wrote: <Snip> Homeroast mailing list Homeroasthttp://www.homeroasting.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20">http://lists.sweetmariascoffee.com/listinfo.cgi/homeroast-sweetmariascoffee.comHomeroast community pictures 9upload yours!) :http://www.homeroasting.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20 |
Jeff,http://www.vacu-seal.com/I purchase mine at Bed, Bath, and Beyond. $5 for 7 qt bags. Note: I don't recommend that you get the little handheld vacuum pump. It is a total waste of $$ at $30. You can simply put your lips on the little valve and draw a tighter vacuum than the little pump. And your lips are faster anyway (as long as you are a good kisser) ;~) and don't need batteries. Ivan +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 23:11:45 -0500 From: Jeff Jones Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Resting To: homeroast Message-ID: <481FDA81.1060001> Content-Type: text/plain; charset O-8859-1; format=flowed What type of bag are you using and what do you use for the vacuum? -jrj sci wrote: <Snip> airtight <Snip> I've <Snip> the <Snip> another <Snip> O2. <Snip> have <Snip> bag <Snip> works <Snip> size. <Snip>http://www.homeroasting.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20<Snip>">http://lists.sweetmariascoffee.com/listinfo.cgi/homeroast-sweetmariascoffee.com<Snip>http://www.homeroasting.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20<Snip> Homeroast mailing list Homeroasthttp://www.homeroasting.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20">http://lists.sweetmariascoffee.com/listinfo.cgi/homeroast-sweetmariascoffee.comHomeroast community pictures 9upload yours!) :http://www.homeroasting.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20 |