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Topic: Don't wash my cup! (23 msgs / 684 lines)
1) From: Joe Warner
This is probably a dumb question and more than a few of you will
probably get a laugh or two but here goes..
Is that just an urban legend about coffee tasting better if you drink your
coffee black and use the same unwashed cup over and over?
My Dad swore by this and kept such a cup out in the garage.  I guess he
didn't want my Mom to find it and wash it.  ;-)
He told me he almost got fired from his first job at a gas station when his
boss
had to run some errands and told him to clean the place up.  He found his
encrusted
coffee pot in a back office and scrubbed it with S.O.S pads until it
sparkled.  He said
when his boss returned, he couldn't remember a time he heard such a
long-loud
string of swear words.  Later, after he cooled down, he explained that it
was kept that
way on purpose and that it took him almost two years to get it like that.
I've tried using the same cup like that for a while and didn't really notice
that much of
a difference.
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2) From: Dave
Definitely an urban legend. Coffee oils go rancid, that's one of the
contributing factors to stale coffee. When I drink coffee I want to
taste today's coffee, not the old rancid oils from last week's or last
month's or...
-- 
Dave
Some days...
It's just not worth chewing through the leather straps
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3) From: Dean De Crisce
This is what they say about the aluminum moka pot. I switched to stainless
steel because it developed a funky taste over time that spoiled the taste of
fresh coffee.
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4) From: Morris Nelson
My humble opinion...
You need to leave the cup unwashed about 8-10 years, longer is better. 
Use really bad coffee, packaged in a steel can already ground.
Use a poor quality coffee maker.
Look forward to the flavor of the crust... 
Did I miss anything?  ;)
Morris

5) From: Barry Luterman
The only thing I won't clean is the drum in my Hot Top. It took more
than a few roasts to flavor it. Anything else to do with brewing or
grinding I keep scrupulously clean.
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6) From: raymanowen
"...string of swear words"
What in Hell does that mean?
Equipment and accessories are produced without the crust of filth, that has
morphed to a reference of  "seasoning."
There was a massive and sudden reduction in surgical theater deaths at the
hands of surgeons using seasoned implements and lab jackets when the
seasoning was abandoned, in favor of a cleaning regimen.
[Q- How much equipment breaks when it is Cleaned?]
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7) From: Sandy Andina
I notice it if someone doesn't thoroughly rinse out the dish soap.  I  
prefer to wash my mugs with hot water alone, unless they've contained  
milk, tea or cocoa.
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8) From: Les
Barry,
You do clean the drum in your Hottop.  Every time you preheat before the
next roast burns off the drum for you!
Les
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9) From: Barry Luterman
Yes but the patina stays. The same with the Behmor only I haven't
seasoned it yet. It could be that my roasts only get better with time
because of more experience with the roaster. But I really think
seasoning has something to do with it. I have a pot I use for making
pot roast. It was originally my mother's pot and is over 100 years
old. It has only been used for making pot roast for much of that time.
Pot roast made in that pot can not be beat.
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10) From: Ed Needham
It probably adds flavor to flavorless stale, preground, weakly brewed 
store-bought swill.  For homebrew, the cleaner, the better.  No nasty, 
rancid smells or off flavors to taint the sweet elixir.
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11) From: Jim Gundlach
My take is that this can be done with coffee that is so bad that a  
coating of used motor oil would help.  I put this in the same category  
as the saying "I've heard it said, and it is true I'm sure, that too  
much bathing will weaken it."  The last guy I knew that did not wash  
himself or his cup stank so much that no woman would get close enough  
for him to find out if not bathing did not weaken it.
        pecan jim.
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12) From: Bill
Didn't Sean post pics from Iraq of someone's coffee cup?  Nastiest thing I'd
seen in a good while...
And I agree with everyone else... the seasoning is only useful for sub-par
coffee that has nothing good going for it.
I keep everything very clean.  I want my coffee to taste exactly like's it
is supposed to taste.... Not like last month's cup of joe.
bill in wyo
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13) From: Sean Cary
I did  - someone hosted it for me, forget where...
Saw him day before yesterday, we've been back what 3-4 months?
He still hasn't washed it.
Sean
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14) From: Sean Cary
I did  - someone hosted it for me, forget where...
Saw him day before yesterday, we've been back what 3-4 months?
He still hasn't washed it.
Sean
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15) From: John Grubbs
The only advantage is cost. The cup eventually reaches the point that you
can just add hot water. You no longer have to buy coffee. ;-) Of course, our
host might not be a big supporter of this brewing method!
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16) From: Skydragon454
Definitely and urban legend, and an unsanitary one at that. If anything,  
that build up would interfere with the subtle nuances of a well prepared,  
carefully home roasted cup of goodness. Wash your cup, rinse really well, and  let 
the flavor come from the fresh roast :)
 
In a message dated 5/30/2008 11:54:10 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
hemijoe writes:
This is  probably a dumb question and more than a few of you will
probably get a  laugh or two but here goes..
Is that just an urban legend about coffee  tasting better if you drink your
coffee black and use the same unwashed cup  over and over?
My Dad swore by this and kept such a cup out in the  garage.  I guess he
didn't want my Mom to find it and wash it.   ;-)
He told me he almost got fired from his first job at a gas station  when his
boss
had to run some errands and told him to clean the place  up.  He found his
encrusted
coffee pot in a back office and  scrubbed it with S.O.S pads until it
sparkled.  He said
when his  boss returned, he couldn't remember a time he heard such  a
long-loud
string of swear words.  Later, after he cooled down, he  explained that it
was kept that
way on purpose and that it took him  almost two years to get it like that.
I've tried using the same cup  like that for a while and didn't really notice
that much of
a  difference.
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17) From: Skydragon454
Geez Moriris!! You forgot the importance of careful preparation!! ALWAYS  
prepare it in a percolator and let it percolate for at least an hour for  
complete extraction.
 
Eric
 
In a message dated 5/30/2008 12:25:32 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
myhomeroast writes:
My  humble opinion...
You need to leave the cup unwashed about 8-10 years,  longer is better. 
Use really bad coffee, packaged in a steel can already  ground.
Use a poor quality coffee maker.
Look forward to the flavor of  the crust... 
Did I miss anything?   ;)
Morris

18) From: Skydragon454
Are you saying that you truly cannot fathom what "...string of swear words"  
means?
 Anyway, to the new guy who shared his story about the unwashed  cup. Thank 
you!! That's what this forum is all about. Ask questions, get  answers, and 
share stories.
 By the way, I had no trouble understanding what you wrote :)
 
Eric
In a message dated 5/30/2008 12:53:34 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
raymanowen writes:
"...string of swear words"
What in Hell does that  mean?
Equipment and accessories are produced without the crust of  filth, that has
morphed to a reference of  "seasoning."
There  was a massive and sudden reduction in surgical theater deaths at the
hands  of surgeons using seasoned implements and lab jackets when the
seasoning  was abandoned, in favor of a cleaning regimen.
[Q- How much equipment  breaks when it is Cleaned?]
Cheers, Iechyd da -RayO, aka  Opa!
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19) From: Joe Warner
Thanks everyone, I'll make sure I leave the seasoning for my dutch ovens but
I'll keepmy cups and equipment super clean.  ;-)
Joe
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20) From: sci
I know a fellow who does this too. He claims that the cup and pot is "cured"
and washing it makes it uncured. Well...whatever floats your boat man!
I, for one, meticulously clean everything. My cups, FP, AP, Chemex, Zoji,
you name it, are squeeky clean. I finish off cleaning with a rinse of
filtered boiling water.
The key problem is oxidation of old oils and organic compounds.
I think some things need to be cured, but usually it is something that gets
very hot, like a grill, griddle, baking stone, roasting drum. These things
don't have much buildup of gunk because it gets burned off. I remember my
grandmother occasionally putting her old iron skillets in the fireplace to
burn off old black buildup. The skillet looked new when it cooled off. Then
she would re cure it with oil.
I don't think coffee cups and brewers are anything like this. Keep'm clean
and the crisp new flavors of each brew will shine.
Ivan
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Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 19:48:15 -0600
From: "Joe Warner" 
Subject: [Homeroast] Don't wash my cup!
To: homeroast
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This is probably a dumb question and more than a few of you will
probably get a laugh or two but here goes..
Is that just an urban legend about coffee tasting better if you drink your
coffee black and use the same unwashed cup over and over?
My Dad swore by this and kept such a cup out in the garage.  I guess he
didn't want my Mom to find it and wash it.  ;-)
He told me he almost got fired from his first job at a gas station when his
boss
had to run some errands and told him to clean the place up.  He found his
encrusted
coffee pot in a back office and scrubbed it with S.O.S pads until it
sparkled.  He said
when his boss returned, he couldn't remember a time he heard such a
long-loud
string of swear words.  Later, after he cooled down, he explained that it
was kept that
way on purpose and that it took him almost two years to get it like that.
I've tried using the same cup like that for a while and didn't really notice
that much of
a difference.
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21) From: raymanowen
"...you can just add hot water. You no longer have to buy coffee." [the
Ultimate seasoning-]
Who was talking about "the subtle nuances of a well prepared, carefully home
roasted cup of goodness?" [Doesn't even sound stable.]
Cheers, Mabuhay -RayO, aka Opa!
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22) From: Morris Nelson
Bacon is good cured...

23) From: Skydragon454
Sigh....again with your complete lack of understanding. I glad everyone  else 
does :)
 
In a message dated 6/2/2008 3:01:01 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
raymanowen writes:
"...you  can just add hot water. You no longer have to buy coffee." [the
Ultimate  seasoning-]
Who was talking about "the subtle nuances of a well  prepared, carefully home
roasted cup of goodness?" [Doesn't even sound  stable.]
Cheers, Mabuhay -RayO, aka Opa!
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