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Topic: OT Security screen door (15 msgs / 316 lines)
1) From: Brian Kamnetz
My house was broken into at Christmas when I was out of town. They
kicked in my back door. I'm thinking of installing a "security" storm
door. I've been wanting to add a screen door to give me some
ventilation on nice days, and would like to combine the screen door
and security storm door if possible.
I would appreciate any insights anyone has. Please contact me off list:
bkamnetz
Thanks for your help!
Brian
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2) From: Paul Helbert
If I were a crook and your door looked too strong and I really wanted
in and didn't have to worry about your neighbors hearing or seeing
what I was up to, then your storm door with a built in bar would be
useless. I'd just go through the glass, through the wall beside the
door, through a window, through the garage or find some other more
vulnerable location. It might be easier to fix a kicked in door than
some of the alternatives. I leave my Miata unlocked so the jerks won't
cut my convertible top to open the door.
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3) From: Brian Kamnetz
Hi Paul,
I agree, there are no really good choices. I don't live in the worst
neighborhood, though, so I'm hoping that I can make it look tough
enough to get in that the scumbags will decide to look for greener
pastures. Incidentally, many years ago I lived in Washington DC, just
off Dupont Circle, and we left our cars unlocked there so that the
scumbags wouldn't break the windows; just let them go into the car and
see that there was nothing to steal inside.
Brian
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4) From: Gary Foster
The trick is that you don't have to make your house invulnerable...
you just have to make it enough of a pain in the rear that they move
on to an easier target.  You'll never keep someone out if they *truly*
want to get in, but you can make it enough of a pain that the casual
thief won't want to waste his time.
-- Gary F.
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5) From: Paul Helbert
Yep, Learned that trick (leaving window down or car unlocked and
empty) while canoing along the Potomac River. The creeps would break
into cars while we were on the river. They knew it took hours for us
to get back. Worst was at Millville above Harper's Ferry. We always
figured the local constabulary must have known who the preps were but
either didn't care because we weren't locals or just couldn't catch
them in the act.
Anyhow, back when I was in the handyman business full time, Larson was
a good brand of storm door and I think they had one with a center bar
which dead bolted into both jambs. I doubt they had it with a screen.
You'd probably only use the screen while you were home, so you might
consider a combination of the secure storm door with a slide
retractable screen or even just a loose hanging screen curtain.
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Paul Helbert
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Some of the worst ideas since sliced bread.
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6) From: Jamie Dolan
Get this for the glass portion of the door, and keep the glass in
place when your away:http://www.shattergard.com/home.html?gclidmg2rG01JMCFQQiIgodgls4iQ
There are lots of nice doors at Lowes that easily change from glass to
screen, adding that film to them protects against quick smash and grab
type jobs.  Strongly consider the film for your other windows as well.
Dog or Dogs that are trained to hit the door and bark and growl are
going to scare the hell out of all but the very most determined
thieves and drug addicts.  Don't get a dog just for security though.
Oh and for anyone that might get past the first two options, Wire this
into your door, and mount it over head.  (Choose option #4)http://www.trainhorn.org/ Click Play on the site, You want loud -
these people get it!  At that power level you could destroy someones
hearing, there not going to be stealing anything after that goes off.
A jet engine at 100 feet is only 140db, compared to that horn at over
185db.
You have to guard your beans, right?
Jamie
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7) From: sci
In some places, people have had to take this principle to the next level. I
have a buddy who worked in Japan for years, where people would leave cash
laying out on a table in their home or apartment for thieves to take. The
reason: if they didn't find any cash, they would vandalize the place or
squirt ketchup all over everything. So now, we are going to have to leave an
offering to the vandals to beg them to leave our place alone. Sheesh, what's
next? Cook dinner for them?
Ivan
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Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 16:57:53 -0400
From: "Brian Kamnetz" 
Subject: Re: [Homeroast] OT Security screen door
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Hi Paul,
I agree, there are no really good choices. I don't live in the worst
neighborhood, though, so I'm hoping that I can make it look tough
enough to get in that the scumbags will decide to look for greener
pastures. Incidentally, many years ago I lived in Washington DC, just
off Dupont Circle, and we left our cars unlocked there so that the
scumbags wouldn't break the windows; just let them go into the car and
see that there was nothing to steal inside.
Brian
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8) From: miKe mcKoffee
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9) From: peterz
There used to be (not sure, maybe it is till there) a neon sign in the 
window of a building, 
on a lonely road that ran between Saugus and Lynn in Massachusetts.
A dimple sign.
It got my attention.
It said:
                                            "Warning- Gun Traps Set"
See I never forgot that either!
PeterZ
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10) From: peterz
Oooops! 
Should be "Simple sign"
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11) From: Seth Grandeau
Only "slightly" illegal in liberal massachusetts. :)
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12) From: Allon Stern
On Jun 1, 2008, at 4:57 PM, Brian Kamnetz wrote:
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Just get a trunk monkey:http://www.trunkmonkeyad.com/4qt.htm-
allon
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13) From: Paul Helbert
On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 8:34 PM, sci  wrote:
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I have a friend who told me that his great grandfather noticed that
his corn crib was getting lower more quickly than it should have been.
He devised some sort of trap which caught the culprit. He released him
on the condition that he join the family for breakfast. After
breakfast he gave the man a bag of corn which was too heavy for one
man to carry and so helped him home with it. There was no further
pilferage.
-- 
Paul Helbert
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14) From: Rich
That works for me....  I suppose the little simian wants coffee as a 
reward for a job well done though.
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15) From: Lynne
Hmm - *my* city - never saw that sign (in Revere, next city over, there is
liquor store w/my favorite name ever: "Land of Liquor." If that doesn't say
it all, I don't know what does..)
O.K., as a resident in the city with the unfortunate age old reputation as
.."city of sin.." I have to add my 2 cents. 'Course, my neighborhood is
really nice, but we are but a couple of streets away from some really bad
areas.
Best deterrent against crime? Get three dogs! My landlord got broken into
(twice) in the five months I moved out - he was very, very glad to get us -
with our (sometimes noisy) three canines - back. No problem since (and I
feel very, very safe).
Lynne
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