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1) From: Dean De Crisce
Can anyone recommend seal-a-meal, vacuum sealers. I bought a Deni Freshlock
from JC Penny yesterday for 30$, and used it to seal up some green beans.
The seal, bag material and created vacuum sucked (no pun intended). It
appeared that I'd be better off with ziplock freezer bags than with that
particular brand. Anyone have particular recommendations or experiences that
they could share.
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2) From: Tim Carter
I've had good luck with pump-n-seal.  It's pretty cheap and works.  The 
little valve thingys are reusable.  The biggest benefit is can use any 
storage container you want, not the manufacturer supplied expensive 
consumables. 
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3) From: Mark Schmal
I have good luck with the reynolds handi-vac sysem.http://www.reynoldspkg.com/reynoldskitchens/handi_vac/en/home.aspOn Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 9:06 AM, Dean De Crisce 
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4) From: Dean De Crisce
Thanks...but these two items involve vacuuming zip lock bags or jars...as
opposed to completely sealed plastic...which I am hoping are better for long
term storage.
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5) From: Steve McKibben
I have a Foodsaver, which so far I have had no problems.  Some of the mem=
bers of a cooking forum I belong to have had quality issues that have cropp=
ed up over time, and a couple of the "guru" posters there have recommended =
that folks looking for an upgrade over the Foodsaver, but not =
wanting to make the leap to commercial units, look here:http://www.dougcare.com/foodstorage/homeequip.htm#foodvacPS - I'm new here, this is my first post.  I don't have anything to bring=
 to the table as far as roasting goes (not yet anyway), but maybe this can =
legitimize my lurkdom...
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6) From: Barry Luterman
Tilla Food Savers is what I use. We seal all the large quantities of
freezer food from Costco plus my green beans. They have a whole bunch
of models depending on your needs. Cheapest bags for the machine is
usually Costco but sometimes they have specials on their site.http://www.foodsaver.com/index.aspxOn Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 7:39 AM, Dean De Crisce  wrote:
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7) From: Skydragon454
OK, I've got a real winner for this one. I use Reynolds Wrap Handi-vac and  
it works better then the expensive ones and the bags are reusable. The 
Handi-vac  that comes with a few bags cost around $9.00 at Wal-Mart. The quart size 
bags  run $2.48 for 14 of them and the gallon bags are the same price but only 
have 9  bags. The bags themselves are better quality then Zip-Loc and are 
reusable. I've  been using it for over a month, resealing my bags every time I have 
coffee and  the batteries that came with it are still working. Anyway, its a 
great little  item for the money.
 
Eric
 
In a message dated 7/11/2008 11:47:50 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
timcarter writes:
I've had  good luck with pump-n-seal.  It's pretty cheap and works.  The  
little valve thingys are reusable.  The biggest benefit is can use  any 
storage container you want, not the manufacturer supplied expensive  
consumables. 
Tim
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8) From: Dean De Crisce
Thanks steve
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9) From: Dean De Crisce
Which foodsaver do you have Barry....range from 75 on up to hundreds.
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10) From: Barry Luterman
This on plus a set of 3 canisters. You can remove the air from the
canister's and keep crackers fresh. Living in Hawaii cookies and
crackers sog shortly after opening. In addition grains and rice have a
tendency to get Beetles in them after opening.http://www.foodsaver.com/ProductDetails.aspx?productidG15Hve had it for 10 years now and it still works. Can send you a picture
of a pound of IMV I sealed over a year ago if you want.
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11) From: Dean De Crisce
That aint bad at all...80 bucks. More expensive than the jc penny 30 dollar
loser...but not hundreds...and worth the investment to protect the bean
investment. Thanks.
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12) From: Dean De Crisce
Thanks eric...i was using something similar to these. I wanted kind of a
permanent seal cause I found that those bags have a tendency to leak or the
ziplock can break open. I am prob going to go with the foodsaver type.
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13) From: peterz
Hi Tim,
I have been looking at these vac sealers for years, and we do have a 
Tilia. It does work okay, but it takes up too much room on the counter 
(we suffer from lack of space in our kitchen), and It seems a bother to 
deal with the special bags, and often they don't seal all that well imo. 
Probably just takes practice!
So, The most practical one I have seen so far, for me, is the one you 
suggested. Where did you get yours? Must I order it online?
Our new "super" walmart doesn't have Simple Green even, and the only vac 
sealers they have are food savers.
Now I just want a hand pump thing, and that one looks perfect! I like 
the idea of using your own storage containers, as I have lots of Mason 
Jars. Hey, I even got an adapter to hook my food saver to the mason jar, 
but somehow it seems like too much trouble.
Maybe I just like to collect gadgets?
PeterZ
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14) From: Bob Glasscock
Hello Dean,
I have been using the Foodsaver vac system for a while with good results. I
use their vacuum canisters that just hook up to the Foodsaver via a small
tube, and that seems to do a pretty good job. Not to mention the other
benefits of being able to seal food up for storage or freezing. Like the man
says, "I give it two thumbs up!"
Bob Glasscock
Can anyone recommend seal-a-meal, vacuum sealers. I bought a Deni Freshlock
from JC Penny yesterday for 30$, and used it to seal up some green beans.
The seal, bag material and created vacuum sucked (no pun intended). It
appeared that I'd be better off with ziplock freezer bags than with that
particular brand. Anyone have particular recommendations or experiences that
they could share.
Thank you.
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15) From: sci
I've commented on this lots in past, so won't say much.
I have the Reynolds Handi-Vac, but I do not recommend it.
Vacu-Seal (TM) brand bags are superior and they have one great advantage:
you can put a hard vacuum on the bag anywhere, anytime, W/OUT a machine, in
3 seconds. I don't even have the VS machine. I put 4lb of green beans in a 1
gal VS bag, suck the air out, and freeze those puppies.
You only need your lips! No gizmos, no batteries, just your kisser and the
bag to get a nice tight vacuum seal.
They only cost $5 for a box. "You pays ya money and ya takes ya chances."
With these bags, you pays little.
Ivan
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OK, I've got a real winner for this one. I use Reynolds Wrap Handi-vac and
it works better then the expensive ones and the bags are reusable. The
Handi-vac  that comes with a few bags cost around $9.00 at Wal-Mart. The
quart size
bags  run $2.48 for 14 of them and the gallon bags are the same price but
only
have 9  bags. The bags themselves are better quality then Zip-Loc and are
reusable. I've  been using it for over a month, resealing my bags every time
I have
coffee and  the batteries that came with it are still working. Anyway, its a
great little  item for the money.
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16) From: Tim Carter
I ordered it online.  It works very well with mason jars.  I just put it 
in a drawer, so it doesn't use any counter space.
Tim
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17) From: Barry Luterman
Me too I only take it out when I need it. Like after a Costo run, or a
SM order.I make bags up in 1 lb pkgs if for the Behmor or 500 gr pkgs
for the Hottop
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18) From: Paul
Dean, I suggest a FoodSaver vacuum system. It works fantastic for me. It does a great job on the bags. When you get a bean you really enjoy, just vacuum seal the greens for long term storage in the freezer. Then a year or two, or three, when you yearn for that long gone fabled bean That Tom cannot supply, voila! There it is in your freezer! 
FoodSaver's storage containers work great for roasted beans. They also have an attachment to use on glass canning jars and lids. It's kind of pricey initially, but worth every penny. I've been lucky and picked up some of the containers at a flea market. Ebay worht be a good place to cruis for a good price on FoodSaver items.
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19) From: David Morrow
Ivan,
I picked up a Vacu-Seal and a couple of boxes of bags more than a month ago
and have been very disappointed.  I have gone through all of the bags that
came with the pump (which I rarely use) and a box of medium and a box of
large bags and have only found one that will hold a vacuum for more than a
few hours.  Do you have any tips?
I have tried putting some cooking oil on the seal as suggested on the web
site of a competing product, but it didn't seem to help.  I know the vacuum
loss is not just my beans degassing because I had the same experience with
cheese and other leftovers.
I am ready to try something else.

20) From: F.R. Parth
I tried the Vacu-Seal (minus the mechanical vacuum-sucker) also. I put some beans into it before a trip, got as much air out as I could (the bag was really solid when I was done), and the next morning found a lot of air had leaked its way back in.
Just in case the air in the bag was due to outgassing of the beans, I put some pretzels into a bag, sucked as much air out as I could (again the bag was really solid), and a few hours later noticed that air had leaked back in.
They're ok for temporary storage, but I wouldn't count on them for anything serious.
Just my 2 cents.
Frank Parth
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21) From: Skydragon454
Well, it seems Ivan and I disagree here. I've been using the Reynolds Wrap  
handi-vac ($9.00) from Wal Mart for a little over a month and I love it. It  
seems to hold a  tight  vacuum for me. I've used it for other  foods as well and 
its proved its worth to me time and time again.
 
Eric
 
In a message dated 7/12/2008 11:47:26 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
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Ivan,
I picked up a Vacuum-Seal and a couple of boxes of bags  more than a month ago
and have been very disappointed.  I have gone  through all of the bags that
came with the pump (which I rarely use) and a  box of medium and a box of
large bags and have only found one that will  hold a vacuum for more than a
few hours.  Do you have any  tips?
I have tried putting some cooking oil on the seal as suggested on  the web
site of a competing product, but it didn't seem to help.  I  know the vacuum
loss is not just my beans degassing because I had the same  experience with
cheese and other leftovers.
I am ready to try  something else.

22) From: Ira
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Wow, I've had stuff stay sealed for months with my FoodSaver.  I'd 
call Tilia support. When I had a problem they took care of it right 
away no questions.  I bough a machine off the as is discount table at 
Linens and Things and it turned out to be bad. Tilia sent me a new 
one. Sounds like the heater is not getting hot enough.
Ira
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23) From: Barry Luterman
The trick is to leave a bit of selvage (margin)after the seal. I can
send you a picture of a bag of greens that are 15 years old and you
can see what I mean
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They we're talking about the battery operated "Vacu-Seal" and it's reusable
valve bags (and evem using it without the Vacu-Seal appliance), not a Tilia
FoodSaver...
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25) From: F.R. Parth
Since I wrote the quote you're reacting to, please let me respond. Food stored in my FoodSaver also stays well sealed for months. But we're talking about a different vacuum product, not the FoodSaver.
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26) From: sci
My experience with the Reynold's Wrap (RW) vacuum bags isn't good. I give
them a C- (grade, not roast degree). \
The problem is they leak too much. Occasionally I get a bag that works
great, but more often than not they leak. I can take a perfectly clean new
bag, carefully load it with green beans, suck the air out with the little
hand held pump, get a nice hard vac, but then come back the next day and
find the bag with air in it. I have bought several boxes of bags from
different locations. I don't think I got a bad batch of bags. They are just
flawed. Where they leak I don't know; maybe the seal; maybe the valve.
I own lots of these, but these are the reasons I don't recommend it. YMMV
David, et. al:
Vacu-Seal (VS) is a different story (they get B+). They work, but they ain't
perfect. Because they are zip-lock and indefinitely reusable, they have an
inherent flaw of this type of storage: the zip seal or valve can get debris
in it and lose the vacuum.  Keep them CLEAN and they'll serve you well; let
them get dusty, and they'll leak. If you're haveing a leakage problem with
VS bags try this: wash the bag with warm water and dry it. Repack the bag
with whatever, but don't let any debris, dust, crumbs, get in the little
valve or zip seal. Keep the bag upright. Seal the bag and vac it. I haven't
had to use oil on the seal. That attracts debris too. I wash the bags
between each batch of beans.
 These bags allow easy roast resting out to 7+ days.
Of course the FoodSaver (FS) type vacuum seal systems are the heavy duty
solution, but they have a limitation too: you can't reuse the bags hundreds
of times like a VS. Moreover, they can't be resealed without a hefty
machine. You can re vac a VS bag in total darkness, or riding down the
highway, in a jungle, in a van, with the simple touch of one hand.
So, VS and FS are different solutions for diff needs.
An FS would be perfect for storing green for long periods of time. As for
RW, you pays ya money and ya takes ya chances.
BTW, Eric, if you can give us tips on how to make the RW work right, lay it
on us. I have about 50 RW bags laying around here.
Watch out: stash proliferation ahead!
FWIW,
Ivan
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Well, it seems Ivan and I disagree here. I've been using the Reynolds Wrap
handi-vac ($9.00) from Wal Mart for a little over a month and I love it. It
seems to hold a  tight  vacuum for me. I've used it for other  foods as well
and
its proved its worth to me time and time again.
Eric
In a message dated 7/12/2008 11:47:26 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
davidmorrow writes:
Ivan,
I picked up a Vacuum-Seal and a couple of boxes of bags  more than a month
ago
and have been very disappointed.  I have gone  through all of the bags that
came with the pump (which I rarely use) and a  box of medium and a box of
large bags and have only found one that will  hold a vacuum for more than a
few hours.  Do you have any  tips?
I have tried putting some cooking oil on the seal as suggested on  the web
site of a competing product, but it didn't seem to help.  I  know the vacuum
loss is not just my beans degassing because I had the same  experience with
cheese and other leftovers.
I am ready to try  something else.
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27) From: Skydragon454
I'm not sure what I'm doing differently Ivan, but my experience with RW has  
been very different then yours. The greens I have in the bags feel like tight  
bricks after 3 weeks in the RW bags. The same goes with my food products. If 
I  had the "secret" I would gladly share it.
 
In a message dated 7/16/2008 12:19:44 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
scizen writes:
My  experience with the Reynold's Wrap (RW) vacuum bags isn't good. I give
them  a C- (grade, not roast degree). \
The problem is they leak too much.  Occasionally I get a bag that works
great, but more often than not they  leak. I can take a perfectly clean new
bag, carefully load it with green  beans, suck the air out with the little
hand held pump, get a nice hard  vac, but then come back the next day and
find the bag with air in it. I  have bought several boxes of bags from
different locations. I don't think I  got a bad batch of bags. They are just
flawed. Where they leak I don't  know; maybe the seal; maybe the valve.
I own lots of these, but these are  the reasons I don't recommend it. YMMV
David, et. al:
Vacu-Seal (VS)  is a different story (they get B+). They work, but they ain't
perfect.  Because they are zip-lock and indefinitely reusable, they have an
inherent  flaw of this type of storage: the zip seal or valve can get debris
in it  and lose the vacuum.  Keep them CLEAN and they'll serve you well;  let
them get dusty, and they'll leak. If you're haveing a leakage problem  with
VS bags try this: wash the bag with warm water and dry it. Repack the  bag
with whatever, but don't let any debris, dust, crumbs, get in the  little
valve or zip seal. Keep the bag upright. Seal the bag and vac it. I  haven't
had to use oil on the seal. That attracts debris too. I wash the  bags
between each batch of beans.
These bags allow easy roast resting  out to 7+ days.
Of course the FoodSaver (FS) type vacuum seal systems  are the heavy duty
solution, but they have a limitation too: you can't  reuse the bags hundreds
of times like a VS. Moreover, they can't be  resealed without a hefty
machine. You can re vac a VS bag in total  darkness, or riding down the
highway, in a jungle, in a van, with the  simple touch of one hand.
So, VS and FS are different solutions for  diff needs.
An FS would be perfect for storing green for long periods of  time. As for
RW, you pays ya money and ya takes ya chances.
BTW,  Eric, if you can give us tips on how to make the RW work right, lay it
on  us. I have about 50 RW bags laying around here.
Watch out: stash  proliferation  ahead!
FWIW,
Ivan
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From:  Skydragon454
Subject: Re: [Homeroast] vac sealers
To:  homeroast
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Well, it seems Ivan and I disagree here. I've been  using the Reynolds Wrap
handi-vac ($9.00) from Wal Mart for a little over a  month and I love it. It
seems to hold a  tight  vacuum for me.  I've used it for other  foods as well
and
its proved its worth to  me time and time again.
Eric
In a message dated 7/12/2008  11:47:26 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
davidmorrow  writes:
Ivan,
I picked up a Vacuum-Seal and a couple of boxes of  bags  more than a month
ago
and have been very disappointed.   I have gone  through all of the bags that
came with the pump (which I  rarely use) and a  box of medium and a box of
large bags and have only  found one that will  hold a vacuum for more than a
few hours.  Do  you have any  tips?
I have tried putting some cooking oil on the  seal as suggested on  the web
site of a competing product, but it  didn't seem to help.  I  know the vacuum
loss is not just my  beans degassing because I had the same  experience with
cheese and  other leftovers.
I am ready to try  something  else.
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