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Topic: buying green beans (14 msgs / 399 lines)
1) From: Ranger Tomcat
Hello all:
I discovered home roasting a couple years ago, and Sweet Marias (who was
actually my neighbor about 10 blocks to the south of me) a little later. I
was blessed with some really amazing always freshly roasted beans in Oakland
(Peets, Blue bottle, and countless others) so there was not much motivation
for me to become familiar with home roasting in a survival sort of way.
Desperation has set in.
After 10 years (to the day) of living in Oakland CA, I found myself moving
back across country, to Annapolis MD. It's a lovely little town but the
local coffee roasters have an inconsistent -at best- supply of beans. I've
discovered at least 2 local brands that were worse than starbucks in
staleness and over roasting; there are a couple others that roast
'specialty' coffees, like hazelnut and vanilla cinnamon. Great for the 7-11
creamer swilling crowd, but my palate has been unfortunately stained with
the promise of a more rewarding cuppa. Sigh. Same thing has happened with
beer- I've been homebrewing for over 10 years- and chocolate- I thought I
disliked chocolate until I had Dagoba Chocolate to replace my childhood
Hershey bars. Of course my family thinks I'm a food snob. I just like the
creation and craft of non-industrialized food- what's wrong with that??
With this newfound 'religion', I have finally got the knack of roasting
green beans with a Fresh Roast 8 (thanks for all your tips here and on the
Sweet marias website), and am going through the 2+ lbs initially supplied
with the roaster rather quickly. I'm not sure if this is entirely
appropriate for this list, but I'm wondering if there is another recommended
source for green beans, on the east coast, preferrably Annapolis or
Baltimore/DC area. I'm saddened that I have to resort to buying beans online
and havingt hem shipped across the country instead of being next door to one
of the best resources.
And....is there anyone local to annapolis that home roasts?
Tom Martin
Annapolis MD
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2) From: Edward Bourgeois
There are so many reasons to keep buying your greens from SM even if
they must be shipped. With SM The quality of the beans is ALWAYS high,
I know they are fresh and stored properly, the price/lb. considering
the quality is very reasonable, the cupping and roasting info on each
lot to me is priceless, the cost of shipping adds less than $1/lb.
which by the cup is a couple cents at most.
Ed B.
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3) From: golfermd01
Welcome to the area, Tom. I live in Germantown and we have one place where we can get green bean, but you have to call in advance to ensure they have it in stock. Unfortunately, you get a Kenya, a Sumatra, or whatever. Nothing specific as far as pure lots, etc... It's a rather unfortunate fact of life that we have to buy beans online. But the good thing is that green bean has a pretty good shelf life. So waiting for shipping doesn't create a problem. I'm willing to pay the shipping when I know what I am getting. And the great thing about SM is that you know what you are getting. Not just a Kenya, a Sumatra, etc...
Dan
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even extra charges still makes SM beans worth the price, worth it but not =
cheap!
Claus Thøgersen

5) From: Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee
Our flat rate shipping should definitely make long distance shipping 
easier. 20 Lbs to Annapolis is now about the same as 20 Lbs to Los 
Angeles. We try to get long distance packages into USPS Priority Mail 
boxes when we can, especially if they go anywhere east of Chicago. We 
don't let customers pick whether the SM flat rate will go UPS or 
USPS, but  you can stack the odds in your favor if you happen to live 
E of chicago: order around 18 Lbs or less and chances are we are 
going to send it USPS, not UPS, due to our costs.
We hope to continue the SM Flat Rate beyond July but we have to look 
at the numbers. We definitely lose a little on each order... (and NO, 
we havent raised any prices on coffee or product to compensate) ... 
sometimes we lose more , but our gamble is that people might order a 
little more, use that Behmor to roast for friends or the office a bit 
more... I hope the numbers work out and Maria approves, because it's 
a good deal. From my perspective, we have bought a LOT more coffee in 
direct fashion, using brokers as facilitators, not as a coffee 
source. We have been moving towards this for years, but this year we 
went nuts in Costa Rica, Kenya, Ethiopia, Yemen, etc. So my goal is 
to support this way of working, direct trade, and basically 
everything is a microlot selected at origin, with total transparency 
and a price of 150% to 300% (sometimes more) over the fair trade 
price to the farmer. With the economy like this, it's not a great 
time to talk this way ... then again, it is a good time to show the 
farmers that you wll always be there with a great price, when others 
might falter on promises due to poor sales.
Anyway, I am VERY biased ... but I know what other places offer and 
what we offer, and there is a big difference. I was a bit cheeky in 
the first cupping class and demonstrated this with 2 Colombia lots, 
on ours, one coffee i rejected around a year ago that is still being 
sold by someone else. If we had approved that coffee, it would have 
been sold out 9 months ago. If you find nearer places, ask about when 
the lot arrived (not at their door, but in the US). If it's over 6 
months I would not touch it, under 3 months is a better guarantee.
BTW: In a few cases, we are repackaging lots in gas-flushed nitrogen 
bags to hold some for longer, something you won't know when you get 
it, but you WILL know when you cup it. Mainly, we want to improve the 
quality of Centrals we have to offer in those lean times before new 
crop next year, Dec - April.
Tom
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                      http://www.sweetmarias.com                Thompson Owen george_at_sweetmarias.com
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             phone/fax: 888 876 5917 - tom_at_sweetmarias.com
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6) From: Sandy Andina
Well, tom, welcome to our plight--if you can call it a "plight" at  
all.  SM's ships very promptly and the beans arrive in fine condition.  
I buy all my greens from them (except occasionally when a neighborhood  
roaster will preblend some of his greens so I can roast his signature  
espresso blend when I'm out of Donkey, Liq. Amber or the SM single  
origins I blend for my "Rocket Fuel"--and that's only if I buy 10 lb.  
or more). It's also a no-no to recommend or even solicit a  
recommendation for other green bean sources on a list created and  
maintained by SM's.
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7) From: Alex Fitch
Fairfax VA. Close.
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On Jul 19, 2008, at 15:31, "Ranger Tomcat"   
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8) From: Chad Sheridan
Tom,
Hailing from Alexandria VA here.  I can probably help you out a bit with 
some beans locally, but I probably buy as much (certainly much more 
variety) from Tom as I buy from importers.  One can spend a whole lot of 
time finding their own beans, but even those of us who do buy from 
importers cannot compete with Tom's work in ferreting out such a wide 
variety of incredible beans.
Chad
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9) From: raymanowen
"I've discovered at least 2 local brands that were worse than starbucks in
staleness and over roasting;"
The very last 14g? of my 8 month old roast, FC+, of Costa Rica Tarrazu L-M
Estate, retrieved from the Mason jar, flash frozen, and ground [+ + Aroma !]
at 19, proves again to me that you have to really try to stale roasted
coffee. The CO2 does what I thought it would, the way I thought.
This was not a test on my part, Gretchen's parents just visited from
Billings, as they had last fall. Ken really liked the Costa Rica I roasted
at that time. Dan just stashed the Mason jar with the lid tight,  thinking I
would grind and brew for myself when visiting them. Just had to know the
beans were there, and where.
If I did, I forgot- what else is new...
Cheers, Mabuhay -RayO, aka Opa!
My Monday morning shot- liquid excellence!
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10) From: Bob Hazen
Umm...  How to say this?  OK, bluntly.
It's bad form to solicit advice about other suppliers on the list.  You are 
unlikely to get any answers because most of us respect Tom's business and 
generosity for hosting the list.  And, I doubt you'll find better beans 
anywhere.  So:  Buy 'em online from Tom.
Bob

11) From: Paul Helbert
Welcome to the East Coast, Tom. It only takes a few days for coffee to cross
the country by USPS. A week or ten days for UPS. With a little planning you
should never run out.
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12) From: Dave Huddle
I feel your pain in moving away from SweetMarias!
When Tom opened his shop in Columbus, OH, it was only ~15 minutes from
my office, then he moved all the way to the west coast.
BUT  -  I continue to buy all my greens from him because of his care,
concern & commitment to bringing us the best stuff.    He will
continue to be my drug (Caffeine) supplier!
[  IT isn't nice to ask were to find other suppliers on Tom's list!  ]
Dave
Westerville, OH
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13) From: sci
SM Rocks!!!
'Nuff said.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:43:30 -0700
From: Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee 
Subject: Re: [Homeroast] buying green beans
To: homeroast
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Our flat rate shipping should definitely make long distance shipping
easier. 20 Lbs to Annapolis is now about the same as 20 Lbs to Los
Angeles. We try to get long distance packages into USPS Priority Mail
boxes when we can, especially if they go anywhere east of Chicago. We
don't let customers pick whether the SM flat rate will go UPS or
USPS, but  you can stack the odds in your favor if you happen to live
E of chicago: order around 18 Lbs or less and chances are we are
going to send it USPS, not UPS, due to our costs.
We hope to continue the SM Flat Rate beyond July but we have to look
at the numbers. We definitely lose a little on each order... (and NO,
we havent raised any prices on coffee or product to compensate) ...
sometimes we lose more , but our gamble is that people might order a
little more, use that Behmor to roast for friends or the office a bit
more... I hope the numbers work out and Maria approves, because it's
a good deal. From my perspective, we have bought a LOT more coffee in
direct fashion, using brokers as facilitators, not as a coffee
source. We have been moving towards this for years, but this year we
went nuts in Costa Rica, Kenya, Ethiopia, Yemen, etc. So my goal is
to support this way of working, direct trade, and basically
everything is a microlot selected at origin, with total transparency
and a price of 150% to 300% (sometimes more) over the fair trade
price to the farmer. With the economy like this, it's not a great
time to talk this way ... then again, it is a good time to show the
farmers that you wll always be there with a great price, when others
might falter on promises due to poor sales.
Anyway, I am VERY biased ... but I know what other places offer and
what we offer, and there is a big difference. I was a bit cheeky in
the first cupping class and demonstrated this with 2 Colombia lots,
on ours, one coffee i rejected around a year ago that is still being
sold by someone else. If we had approved that coffee, it would have
been sold out 9 months ago. If you find nearer places, ask about when
the lot arrived (not at their door, but in the US). If it's over 6
months I would not touch it, under 3 months is a better guarantee.
BTW: In a few cases, we are repackaging lots in gas-flushed nitrogen
bags to hold some for longer, something you won't know when you get
it, but you WILL know when you cup it. Mainly, we want to improve the
quality of Centrals we have to offer in those lean times before new
crop next year, Dec - April.
Tom
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14) From: Matthew Price
Tom, thanks for offering the flat rate option.  I just recently
ordered 2 10# bags and got that shipped to Chicagoland for ~$8.  It
ordered it Tuesday and my USPS carrier dropped it on my doorstep
Saturday.  I would much rather have my beans go USPS than UPS because
they are usually a lot faster and don't punt shipments.  The last 3
times I got my beans by UPS their tracking showed that the driver
didn't drop it off the first day she had it but kept it on the local
delivery van overnight.  Also, UPS doesn't move the no-priority ground
shipments over the weekend so if you order doesn't reach you by Friday
you automaticly lose 2 days.  BTW, you lost a little of my business
because I had 1 pound of UGG and 1 pound of a trial bean that I
dropped to get back under 20#.  Hopefully that doesn't disuade you
from keeping flat-rate as an option.
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 1:43 PM, Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee
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