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Topic: restrictions on shipping green coffee to Hawaii (15 msgs / 369 lines)
1) From: Sweet Maria's Coffee
Hello  everybody -
We had been aware of restrictions on the import of green coffee to 
Hawaii for some time - but we recently received a letter from the 
Hawaii Department of Agriculture that  makes the issue crystal clear. 
I do plan to email all our regular Hawaiian customers individually 
but thought I would post something to the list first.
All green, unroasted coffee shipped to the State of Hawaii is subject 
to special restrictions. Customers are required to have an import 
permit issued by the Department of Agriculture and all incoming 
shipments must be "subjected to methyl bromide treatment
or other non-chemical treatment such as heat to ensure proper 
protection for the coffee growing industry."  Shipments without a 
valid import permit and original treatment certificate are subject to 
rejection.  It is not clear if there are fines for the shipper or the 
receiver - the letter silent on that point.
We are not going to gas our coffee with methyl bromide - it just is 
not possible for us to do this for each individual order. Methyl 
bromide is also a known carcinogen - and depletes the ozone - so it 
is nasty stuff.  Obtaining an import permit seems fairly easy - but 
Hawaiian customers would have to take that step on their own.   So, 
unfortunately, I think we have reached the end of the line in terms 
of shipping green coffee to Hawaiian customers.
We will continue to sell equipment and supplies and roasted coffee 
and ship those items to Hawaiian customers.  Since we do not have an 
automated way to exclude green coffee from orders shipping to Hawaii 
- no way that does not exclude all orders from Hawaii - we may not 
catch every order and some may slip through.  But we are aware of 
this rule and will abide by it.
  I know many of you have come to rely on us as your green coffee 
reseller and so this will be a big inconvenience. The regulations are 
there to protect the agricultural industry of Hawaii - which we all 
want to do. While to us it seems unlikely that green coffee could 
would have any live insects or diseases that could effect the 
cultivation of coffee in the islands (and I read something online 
about the likelihood that processed green coffee can harbor any pests 
or diseases),  the regulations are clear in terms of requiring green 
coffee to be treated and certified, and imported under permit.
I do want to thank you for your business over the years, as I know 
many of  you are long time customers.
Tom & Maria
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2) From: Bob Hazen
Tom,
Have you been in contact with the Hawaii Dept of Agriculture?  Is that the 
reason for the letter?
If not, I wonder if you could get a waiver of some sort.  On what basis, 
though, I haven't a clue.  Might be worth contacting them.  Dealing with 
bureaucrats can be difficult, I know.
FWIW....
Bob

3) From: Sweet Maria's Coffee
Hi Bob -
Yes - the letter we received was from the Hawaii Department of 
Agriculture. You can talk to them about waivers.  I think that their 
position had been that they realize that it would be difficult to 
impossible to find all shipments brought in by home roasters by US 
mail.
The fact that we got a letter may mean that they do intend to pursue 
the issue more now - or not.  As I mentioned the letter says nothing 
about fines - just that shipments risk rejection.  I think our 
responsibility is to inform our Hawaiian customers that we are aware 
of the regulations - and to try to comply as best we can.
I have no idea if waivers are available - if you promise to 
quarantine the coffee yourself maybe? Not let it out of the house in 
green form?
Best- Maria
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4) From: Sandy Andina
Sounds more like protectionism and restrictions on competition to me.  
(The latter is treading on dangerous ground, as regulations on  
interstate and international commerce are more the Feds' purview).  
It's not like green coffee beans are like fruits or veggies harboring  
fruit flies. Begs the question as to how many greens coming in from HI  
(not SM's, of course) are treated with methyl bromide or heated before  
leaving for the mainland.
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5) From: Mike Chester
Begs the question as to how many greens coming in from HI
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export.  ( They don't want to wreck their own products, only other's)  For 
Kona blends, the other coffees that the Kona is blended with are treated 
upon arrival in Hawaii.
Mike
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6) From: Sandy Andina
On Jul 25, 2008, at 4:36 PM, Mike Chester wrote:
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Eeeuww.... one more reason to avoid Kona blends.  Looks like it's iced  
tea for me when I go to Denny's.
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7) From: miKe mcKoffee
Protectionism indeed, protecting their isolated ecology. Competition
restrictions indeed, restricting unwanted pests from attacking their
ecology. Hawaii isn't the only State that limits or bans import of certain
agricultural items. And green coffee isn't an isolated "target". Interesting
concerning coffee not just plants or plant parts (greens) but used coffee
bags have same restrictions. Also interesting (to me) any growing plant (not
coffee specific) cannot come in soil as the growing media. That's right, no
dirt allowed. Why? Loaded with microorganisms. FWIW see Hawaii Dept. of
Agriculture website for more information:http://www.mcKonaKoffee.comURL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://www.mckoffee.com/Ultimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must">http://hawaii.gov/hdoa/pi/pq/plantsKona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffeehttp://www.mcKonaKoffee.comURL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://www.mckoffee.com/Ultimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must
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8) From: miKe mcKoffee
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Actually only if imported as greens. They can import roasted coffee that
doesn't need to be treated before the ship docks for the "tourist trap crap"
10% Kona blends sold over there. Not that it matters much anyway since using
the lowest grade/quality "Kona" to go with either the fumigated greens or
imported stale roasted ... 
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9) From: Edward Bourgeois
I went to an annual agriculture conference for the Islands on the Big
Island in 91' and learned a lot about how sensitive their ecosystems
is. At that time the national supermarkets where moving in and there
was much concern about what they could bring in. Before that most of
the food was local with some nice markets and farm stands. Their is
not much depth of soil but it is super sweet stuff, the best I've
seen. If the wrong thing gets introduced into that environment it goes
wild.
Ed B.
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10) From: Seth Grandeau
They even quarantine Christmas trees to make sure all the squirrels are
removed.  Introduced species have decimated many of the native flora and
fauna.
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11) From: Zara Haimo
I just went on a trip through the Galapagos islands where the Ecuadorian 
government is trying to prevent further ecological damage from unwanted 
immigrants.  The difference between the islands which have had little human 
impact and the ones that are inhabited was easy to spot.  On the primary 
inhabited island, most of the native plants are gone and have been replaced 
by species that were either deliberately or accidentally introduced by 
people.
One of the deliberately introduced species is coffee.  I'm not sure how high 
it is planted in the areas where it is farmed, but we saw it growing wild a 
couple thousand feet up on one of the main islands. Galapagos coffee was 
served on board our expedition boat a couple of mornings and wasn't awful 
although it was very bland.  I could have bought roasted beans in the gift 
shop - a novelty, but undoubtedly very stale.
While we were in Ecuador on the way to the Galapagos we visited listmember 
Barbara Wilson at her new place near a beautiful nature preserve in the 
cloud forest.  She has 100 coffee plants started on the hill behind her 
house and restaurant.  Her plants won't produce for a few years, but she 
made me an excellent espresso of local Ecuadorian coffee she roasted.
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12) From: Lynne
Zara, thank you for sharing this with us.
My heart aches every time I hear of something like this - it pains me to
think of the Galapagos islands being forever changed - but, thankfully, at
least the Ecuadorian government is trying to do *something* now...
I just went on a trip through the Galapagos islands where the Ecuadorian
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On a more uplifting note - thrilled to hear that you visited Barbara Wilson
on her coffee farm (fulfilling her dream)! Do you have any photos to share?
It sounds gorgeous!
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(ah... dreaming)
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13) From: Zara Haimo
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I did take a couple of pictures.  With Barbara's permission, I will upload 
them when we get home - we're on our way to Peru now.
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14) From: Lynne
Zara - sounds like a wonderful trip!
I still find it amazing that one can be connected while traveling. My
daughter went to Europe for about three weeks, and was able to send me
emails now and then, to let me know she was fine. What a difference from
when I traveled there back in the '70's - my mom had to rely on her prayers
that I was all right! (not to mention that I was able to take about 24
pictures, while my daughter and her boyfriend took about 2400 w/their
digital camera!!! yikes!)
Have fun!
Lynne
(muttering to herself: I am not Grampa Simpson, I am *not* Grampa
Simpson...I am not..)
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15) From: Barbara Wilson
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Zara, 
Yes, you can upload the photos that you
took! How was the rest of your trip? I forgot to ask you if you tried
coffee in the Galapagos..they are supposed to have great coffee there. 
Barbara
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