HomeRoast Digest


Topic: Cimbali Max Hybrid Report 2 (10 msgs / 202 lines)
1) From: Les
Now that I have had the Cimbali for two weeks, I want to give a
followup report.  Not all is perfect in the Cimbali world.  I am still
amazed at the awesome grind, so with that said it is a keeper.  It is
easily adjustable.  It has a nice dosser.  I like the size of the
machine.  However, there is a problem with the hopper.  The hopper
does not line up with the burrs.  The chute isn't long enough to
prevent bean loss.  I put together a pictorial of the problem and my
solution as well as Chris' response.  I really do like the Cimbali Max
Hybrid, but for the money the hopper is ridiculous in my opinion.
Link to the Pictorial www.thortamper.com/cimbali.html
Homeroast mailing list
Homeroasthttp://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20">http://lists.sweetmariascoffee.com/listinfo.cgi/homeroast-sweetmariascoffee.comHomeroast community pictures -upload yours!) :http://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20

2) From: Scott Miller
Thanks for the report Les.
I have a Cimbali Jr. as a back up at my shop. Haven't used it in while.
Perhaps I'll pull it out and use it some this week to see if I have a
similar problem as Chris' reports, but I don't recall noticing that problem.
cheers,
Scott
On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 12:08 PM, Les  wrote:
<Snip>
Homeroast mailing list
Homeroasthttp://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20">http://lists.sweetmariascoffee.com/listinfo.cgi/homeroast-sweetmariascoffee.comHomeroast community pictures -upload yours!) :http://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20

3) From: Brian Kamnetz
Interesting, Les. Thanks for the update, and for the photos.
Brian
On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 12:08 PM, Les  wrote:
<Snip>
Homeroast mailing list
Homeroasthttp://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20">http://lists.sweetmariascoffee.com/listinfo.cgi/homeroast-sweetmariascoffee.comHomeroast community pictures -upload yours!) :http://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20

4) From: Derek Bradford
Thanks for the idea, Les.  I hadn't decided if I would remove the hopper on
mine or not; now that I see what happens when I do, it's nice to see a
throat plug takes care of the problem.  The grind is really quite nice,
isn't it?  I was using a Macap M4 before this, and there is a definite
improvement in the fluffiness of the grinds.   I can't compare the shots,
however, since I'm pulling them on an entirely different machine.  But they
are yummy.
--Derek
On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 2:35 AM, Brian Kamnetz  wrote:
<Snip>
-- 
Every path but your own is the path of fate. --Thoreau
Homeroast mailing list
Homeroasthttp://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20">http://lists.sweetmariascoffee.com/listinfo.cgi/homeroast-sweetmariascoffee.comHomeroast community pictures -upload yours!) :http://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20

5) From: Barry Luterman
Not being very mechanical this looks like a similar mod as using a
canning funnel on a Mazzer. That is removing the hopper and getting a
lower profile for the grinder and insuring all the beans get down to
the burrs, with no popcorning.. Am I right?
On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 6:08 AM, Les  wrote:
<Snip>
Homeroast mailing list
Homeroasthttp://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20">http://lists.sweetmariascoffee.com/listinfo.cgi/homeroast-sweetmariascoffee.comHomeroast community pictures -upload yours!) :http://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20

6) From: Bob Hazen
That would be a show stopper for me!  Despite the great grind, it would 
drive me nuts if that occurred on a regular basis.  Sounds like some clever 
work-arounds are "in the hopper" so to speak.  And I guess I have to wonder 
about putting that kind of money toward a supplier and manufacturer that are 
aware of the problem and disinclined to do anything about it.  Look at the 
customer service from Behmor.  His attitude makes me want to help him 
succeed.  Not so sure about Cimbali.
Thanks for the report, Les.
Bob

7) From: kevin creason
Makes me want to get a cimbali just so I can get a Les/IsMore bowl in black
walnut to match my tamper.
Hmmmm.....
:)
On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 3:12 PM, Bob Hazen  wrote:
<Snip>
-- 
-Kevin
/* Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level and beat you
with experience. */
Homeroast mailing list
Homeroasthttp://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20">http://lists.sweetmariascoffee.com/listinfo.cgi/homeroast-sweetmariascoffee.comHomeroast community pictures -upload yours!) :http://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20

8) From: raymanowen
Chris can get anything he asks the manufacturer- just has to order all of a
pilot manufacturing run.
One test not mentioned by Chris:
In the DROP TEST, less damage done to a Baratza Virtuoso than the nearly
identical burred Cimbali.
For the price of the Cimbali, Chris might sell you several Virtuosos. The
combination still might not qualify for "continuous commercial service," but
I doubt that the Cimbali does, either. Greater grinding speed and
simultaneous grinding variety are unanticipated benefits.
If you grind 100 pounds in a Virtuoso and notice an improvement in the cup
with new burrs, it would be a surprise if the same weren't true of the
Cimbali.
All a grinder has to do is spin and maintain the burrs in relation to each
other under changing load.
Cheers, Mabuhay -RayO, aka Opa!
Don't forget the DROP TEST !
Homeroast mailing list
Homeroasthttp://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20">http://lists.sweetmariascoffee.com/listinfo.cgi/homeroast-sweetmariascoffee.comHomeroast community pictures -upload yours!) :http://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20

9) From: MichaelB
Les,
Thanks for the grinder update. I was very interested in the Cimbali hybrid
when it first hit the scene, However from what I read at the time on home
barista and elsewhere it sounded like not all the coffee put into the
grinder for one dose could be recovered after each dose was ground. Your
picture pinpoints one big source of the problem. This may not be much of a
problem for a commercial operatiion turning out many shots of the same
coffee throughout the day. But it's a showstopper for my method of grinding
one dose at a time and emptying the grinder completely afterwards. I can get
99% of a dose out of my Mazzer Mini after each dose is ground. If the
Cimbali with your wooden bowl mod could match that I would be very
interested. Does this eliminate the problem? Or are there still other
sources of loss in the grinds pathway?
Please keep us informed of your progress on this project.
On 8/16/08, Les  wrote:
<Snip>
--
MichaelB
Homeroast mailing list
Homeroasthttp://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20">http://lists.sweetmariascoffee.com/listinfo.cgi/homeroast-sweetmariascoffee.comHomeroast community pictures -upload yours!) :http://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20

10) From: Les
Michael,
Yes, my bowl does eliminate the problem.  There are no other ways to
lose beans. The one I showed in the picture is a prototype.  I am
going to do some fine-tuning (hopefully tonight) and put some trim and
finish to the project.  I will then need to do a time study to see
what I am going to have to charge.  The proof is in the Grind, and if
I didn't get such a good grind, I would have sent it back.  Like you I
am a single dose user.  Yesterday, I was able to really put the hopper
through the passes, both single dose and multiple dose grinds and it
did well.
On 8/18/08, MichaelB  wrote:
<Snip>
Homeroast mailing list
Homeroasthttp://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20">http://lists.sweetmariascoffee.com/listinfo.cgi/homeroast-sweetmariascoffee.comHomeroast community pictures -upload yours!) :http://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20


HomeRoast Digest