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Topic: OT digital thermometer, was Re: First Roast! (19 msgs / 443 lines)
1) From: kevin creason
Unique numbers aren't as safe as we wish.
They (retailers) can continue to charge on them long after they supposedly
expire.
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2) From: Seth Grandeau
Kevin,
Any references to this?  I use the one-time use numbers on my citibank cards
religiously and if they are not secure, I'd like to learn more about it.
Thanks.
-Seth
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3) From: kevin creason
I can't find any articles on this at the moment but in my experience and at
least one co-worker--
retailers can charge to a virtual account number months after it was
supposed to expire.
To me that was the biggest part of the security features-- thieves would not
be able to use my card if a database was hacked next month.
I used a virtual number to open my son's iTunes account along with his gift
card early last December. In February they were still charging the account
maintenance fee but it has since stopped.
My co-worker was told by his CC company that "if the expired virtual number
is manually entered into a machine it can still be validated".  Doesn't make
much sense-- a virtual card certainly can't be swiped so how is a manual
entering of a card number any different than a cyber purchase?
I still use them but am disappointed that there may still be issues.
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4) From: Michael Mccandless
I work for one of the largest CC processors.
If an expired card is processed, it is ultimately the issuing bank's
responsibility since they authorized the transaction.
Any transaction that doesn't have a signature can be disputed.
Not a valid contract.
The process takes time & can bounce between merchant & customer a few times
before a decision is reached.
McSparky - who tore up his credit cards in '70.
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5) From: Brian Kamnetz
My card is Discover, and I can generate a unique number for a dealer
(e.g., a specific number that was generated for an Amazon purchase)
and then continue to use that unique credit card number for Amazon.
So, in the case of Discover anyway, additional charges can be made
with that specific merchant. While it may be better for the unique
number to die with each purchase, at least someone can't get the
number I use for Amazon and charge a $4000 hotel bill in Rome.
Also, I use a unique number for PayPal. I used Internet Explorer when
I generated that number. Now, when I am using Firefox (actually, the
USB version of Firefox) and try to pay via PayPal, the number is not
accepted. I have to open Internet Explorer to make the payment.
Brian
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6) From: kevin creason
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 4:52 PM, Michael Mccandless
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So how do you order from SweetMarias?
Because I've tried to live with out them but find them necesary for some
things like mail order.
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7) From: Michael Mccandless
I have a bank account specifically for online purchases w/debit card.
I keep just enough $ in the account to cover purchases.
Anything more will bounce.
McSparky
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8) From: Brian Kamnetz
Hmmm. An account with a debit card, dedicated to online purchases and
moving in only enough money to cover actual purchases, sounds like a
pretty good idea.....
Brian
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9) From: Brian Kamnetz
FYI, for anyone who was interested, the two items I ordered (digital
cooking thermometer, and window sticker thermometer) arrived today and
seem to be in good shape. So this company delivered my purchases,
which is a step in the right direction.
Brian
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10) From: james McDougal
PeterZ and Brian,
Hope your digital thermometers are holding up! Mine bit the dust today!
Damn, I had just dialed it in. I assume it is the probe. I wonder if the
company will replace it?
I'll have to see if I still have the information.
Jim
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11) From: Brian Kamnetz
Jim,
I haven't used mine for anything other than knowing what time it is
and what ambient temp is in my kitchen. I also bought a small
thermometer that sticks on the outside of the window, so that you can
see from indoors what the outside temp is. That seems to be working
ok, though occasionally it switches itself from F to C scale.
Let us know what happens with your attempts at getting your
thermometer replaced.
Brian
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12) From: james McDougal
Hi Brian,
Could you send me the link to the company again?
I can't find it?
Jim
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13) From: Brian Kamnetz
Hi Jim,
I think this is it:http://secure.indoorhealthproducts.com/index.htmBrian
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14) From: peterz
Hi James,
Somehow I misplaced all of the posts on this deal and I am happy that 
you spoke up again.
As for me I bought three of them! So far I have use only one and it is a 
bit flaky.
Randomly it will beep and reset itself.
Like I do not even have to touch it and usually the time is incorrect on 
it and the degrees are set for Centigrade.
I caught it doing this while I was using it, that is how I know, but it 
serves its purpose for me. I use it in my PGR above the bean mass, sort 
of to measure the air temperature coming out of the Turbo Oven. Also 
using a Kill-A-Watt, I have learned that I do  not need to use 1500 
watts to roast a pound. I use the 1500 to rise quickly to about 370F 
(Another digital TC within bean mass) and then cut back to at or near 
1200 Watts to finish. This keeps the roast environmental temperature 
somewhere just below 500F, and allows more control of the time between 
first and second crack. Usually I need to cut the power altogether just 
after first crack and it will coast into second a few minutes later.
As always, YMMV as we all have different roasters, place Thermo Couples 
differently, and roast in different roasting environments. I always 
roast out doors. Some days it is windy. Some days the temp outside is 
over 115 F in the shade.
Sometimes I roast in the sun at 118F, and sometimes, like today, at  65F 
and windy!
Guess I have to try the other two and see how they work, here in Lake 
Havasu City, AZ
PeterZ
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15) From: james McDougal
Thanks, Brian. That is the company, but they no longer have the digital
thermometer.
I'm guessing that they buy seconds or other low quality goods.
For only $9.95 (if I remember correctly), it's not worth worrying about if I
can find an acceptable alternative.
I've ordered this one:http://www.cheftools.com/prodinfo-new.asp?number%2D0061It looks like it will serve the purpose of hanging down into the beans on a
whirly-pop.
Jim
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16) From: james McDougal
Hi Peterz,
Should be cooling off a little in LHC, no?
So, you bought 3! Good to have lots of back-ups ;-).
My "console" never acted up, nor did the probe for that matter until it gave
up the ghost. I only got about 20 roasts from the probe.
You might try your other "consoles" -  bound to have a good one somewhere.
Those thermometers are made in China and it seems like they have very poor
quality control - but then maybe I'm expecting too much for $9.95.
Take care, Jim
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17) From: Martin Dobbins
James,

I'm sorry to hear your thermometer quit. I guess you get what you pay fo=
r, but fingers crossed, my thermometer is still working 50 roasts later.=
 The problem with this type of thermometer is temperature limitations which=
 was why I was so pleased to find this one. The model from cheftools you=
 have selected has a temperature range up to 392F which will mean it stops =
reading justwhen you really need to monitor the temperature of the roast=
(!)

You say you assume it is the probe that is at fault, what are the symptoms?

Martin
--- On Tue, 10/14/08, james McDougal wrote:
Thanks, Brian. That is the company, but they no longer have the digital
thermometer.
I'm guessing that they buy seconds or other low quality goods.
For only $9.95 (if I remember correctly), it's not worth worrying about if
I
can find an acceptable alternative.
I've ordered this one:http://www.cheftools.com/prodinfo-new.asp?number=06%2D0061It looks like it will serve the purpose of hanging down into the beans on a
whirly-pop.
Jim
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18) From: james McDougal
O crud! You are right. Just because the other one read 20-30 degrees low,
doesn't mean this one will! I screwed up!
The symptom was the temperature reading raced too high to be believable ~380
by 2 min of roasting. All the other readings were HHH. Now at room
temperature the reading goes to HHH after a few seconds. When I plug another
SS probe in, it has a reading but is below ambient - I assume because the
resistance is different.
Jim
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19) From: raymanowen
"Sometimes I roast in the sun at 118F..."
We drove through Needles on 66 e/r Long Beach in 1950. 120 F felt hot, b=
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I didn't roast...
Distinct smell of Oranges after Cajon Pass, but not in 1967 - 68 when I was
stationed at Victorville between tours at Clark in the Philippines.
Cheers, Mabuhay and Magandang Umaga -RayO, aka Opa!
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